LeBrun: DeBrincat will most likely be traded, agent has submitted list of preferred destinations

[SoupNazi]

Ya I know he doesn't like them, that's why I'm hoping DBC will agree to 6-7 year term. But Yzerman will need to start be comfortable handing those max term deals out once his core players are due for new contracts, it's one thing to not be willing to give them to random FA's, but it shouldnt be the case for your own prospects you picked and nurtured and expect to be your contending core. Not sure how he'll treat them, but Raymond and Seider will be good test cases soon.

Oh yeah, I agree. He needs to get over it and start handing them out to the core with less hesitation.

 

[dirtydanglez]

stevie why cracked for larkin. i can easily see him doing 8 for seider and raymond.

 

[Random Comment]

It absolutely is, it’s honestly astonishing to me that anyone could possibly disagree. Like, beyond astonishing.

It’s literally as simple as asking if the wings would give up the player Ottawa would have taken at the pick they gave up. He’s theirs, they value that because he’s been in their possession for a year without a doubt, but that’s what Ottawa gave up, they knew he was there, and he is the guy whom the Sens were all over.

They absolutely wouldn’t trade him, because it’s worth a hell of a lot more than any combination of Berggren, Bos 1st and Kubalik.

The Sens made an idiotic, overpayment regardless of hindsight. Without a contract signed, it was a bad deal. Now, they will ship him off for a very large decrease in value, that will likely include 2 of those pieces +, or equivalent value.

It astonishes me that you don’t remember the trade thread. This was a slam dunk Ottawa win. You can disagree with that assessment, but it doesn’t make it untrue.

 

[Samsquanch]

It's the same people crying about the Talbot deal.

Like that's what I mean. Are we saying that summer of Pierre didn't actually happen - and that we are living in a different time line where everyone was cringing at his moves?

Yes, you would be correct in saying it didn't work out in hindsight. But you can only say that now, today, that it looks horrible. At the time it was a potential homerun.

Or are we (some people here) just pretending that they knew better all along, like they always do? I think already know the answer......

 

[norrisnick]

I don't think it's that - Yzerman doesn't seem to be a fan of 8 year deals. He negotiated with Larkin for half a season before giving in on it.

Every outlet reported that the term of 8 was agreed to pretty early on. It was the AAV that took forever.

 

[thehoffs]

Every outlet reported that the term of 8 was agreed to pretty early on. It was the AAV that took forever.

It’s because he was overpaid in Chicago. A lot of GMs have no issue paying big in short term deals for some reason even though it’s as dumb as it gets as you guarantee the players inflated salary and walk them
To free agency.

I doubt we see any other team make a Matthew Tkachuk level mistake.

As it is I think Debrincat is worth 8x8 the issue is if you go through the Salary cap and assign specific values to specific players roles 2nd line players just don’t hold the 8m+.

They feasibly can’t.

Basically the more players on ELCs or players making $1 to max $1.5 on the 4th line and players below 3.75m on your 3rd line are crucial to having extra space to pay either 1-2 elite players asking for 12-16m or what is more ideal is having 3 players on the Top line making no more than 27m which is going to be hard in coming years.

Ask yourself right now.

What do you think Draisatl is taking in a couple of years?

He’s been absolutely underpaid at 8.5m and as a player who falls in a group of Top5 elite superstars in the NHL I don’t see how Edmonton can possibly afford to pay Draisatl the 13-14m he is going to command at a minimum.

McDavid at 12.5m is underpaid for the last 4 years of his contract and in 3 years time I fully expect McDavid to push 18-20m boundary.

I highly doubt we see average middle six players or 3/4D getting a significant raise.

Cap goes up 18-24m in the next 4–6 seasons you can fully expect top line talent to take the bulk of it.

Bedard works out quite Frankly kid could be making 12.5m if he can perform similar to McDavid in his D+3-5 years.

NHL salaries also need this correction as the top players are underpaid by a lot.

Sad when the players make next to nothing compared to baseball players who are literally making $6-9m pitching as a 3-4 starter or good bullpen arm.

MLB salaries are absolutely sick

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I don't think it's that - Yzerman doesn't seem to be a fan of 8 year deals. He negotiated with Larkin for half a season before giving in on it.

I seriously doubt that term was ever an issue with Yzerman over Larkin's deal. He's been pretty open that he's willing to give out term if they're a core piece, and Larkin was and still is the only thing close to a certain Top line center in Detroit's organization. (We have high hopes for Kasper, but those are still hopes)

That was likely more haggling over price. Also might have been both parties waiting to see if the COVID debt would be paid and the cap would rise this year or next.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

It’s because he was overpaid in Chicago. A lot of GMs have no issue paying big in short term deals for some reason even though it’s as dumb as it gets as you guarantee the players inflated salary and walk them
To free agency.

I doubt we see any other team make a Matthew Tkachuk level mistake.

As it is I think Debrincat is worth 8x8 the issue is if you go through the Salary cap and assign specific values to specific players roles 2nd line players just don’t hold the 8m+.

They feasibly can’t.

Basically the more players on ELCs or players making $1 to max $1.5 on the 4th line and players below 3.75m on your 3rd line are crucial to having extra space to pay either 1-2 elite players asking for 12-16m or what is more ideal is having 3 players on the Top line making no more than 27m which is going to be hard in coming years.

Ask yourself right now.

What do you think Draisatl is taking in a couple of years?

He’s been absolutely underpaid at 8.5m and as a player who falls in a group of Top5 elite superstars in the NHL I don’t see how Edmonton can possibly afford to pay Draisatl the 13-14m he is going to command at a minimum.

McDavid at 12.5m is underpaid for the last 4 years of his contract and in 3 years time I fully expect McDavid to push 18-20m boundary.

I highly doubt we see average middle six players or 3/4D getting a significant raise.

Cap goes up 18-24m in the next 4–6 seasons you can fully expect top line talent to take the bulk of it.

Bedard works out quite Frankly kid could be making 12.5m if he can perform similar to McDavid in his D+3-5 years.

NHL salaries also need this correction as the top players are underpaid by a lot.

Sad when the players make next to nothing compared to baseball players who are literally making $6-9m pitching as a 3-4 starter or good bullpen arm.

MLB salaries are absolutely sick

I'll give you $10,000 if anyone is stupid enough to give any player (Even if it's McDavid) $18-20M in caphit when McDavid contract is up for negotiating, it won't happen.

No way in hell you can ice a competitive team with 1 player having a caphit of $18-20 million... unless the cap-era ends.

 

[redwings8831]

I seriously doubt that term was ever an issue with Yzerman over Larkin's deal. He's been pretty open that he's willing to give out term if they're a core piece, and Larkin was and still is the only thing close to a certain Top line center in Detroit's organization.

Yep, I don't remember there being any issues when he gave 8 years to Hedman, Stamkos and Kucherov.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It astonishes me that you don’t remember the trade thread. This was a slam dunk Ottawa win. You can disagree with that assessment, but it doesn’t make it untrue.

Well because hfboards has a weird way of struggling to understand contract status and sees “24 year old 40 goal scorer” and assumes he’s on the new team for a decade with no cap implications.

 

[thehoffs]

I'll give you $10,000 if anyone is stupid enough to give any player (Even if it's McDavid) $18-20M in caphit when McDavid contract is up for negotiating, it won't happen.

No way in hell you can ice a competitive team with 1 player having a caphit of $18-20 million... unless the cap-era ends.

Yes you can. They are estimating a cap increase of 6m to possibly as much as 8m in the next 2 seasons after this with 8.75m being the minimum.

The league expect to exceed over $100m in the 2026 and 2027 era.

Players and teams are anxious to increase now that the escort from covid is repaid.

The economy is running crazy so it’s reasonably to expect a 6-8% per year increase.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Yes you can. They are estimating a cap increase of 6m to possibly as much as 8m in the next 2 seasons after this with 8.75m being the minimum.

The league expect to exceed over $100m in the 2026 and 2027 era.

Players and teams are anxious to increase now that the escort from covid is repaid.

The economy is running crazy so it’s reasonably to expect a 6-8% per year increase.

They say this every year, then the cap never gets close to what people expect, lol.

 

[Osakahaus]

***A FEW DAYS LATER***

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

 

[SENStastic]

DBC for Wilson confirmed

 

[Samsquanch]

DBC for Wilson confirmed

f*** me I would kill for Wilson.... just imagine this lineup that will never likely happen;

Brady-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Stu-Giroux
Formenton-Pinto-Wilson
MacEwen-Kastelic-Joseph.
Imama

That would be a really friggin tough lineup to face in a playoff series. Formenton and Wilson are long shots, and obviously im a bit high. But boy oh boy that team would be able to bring it physically. And some scoring depth on all 4 lines (relatively speaking).

 

[KevinRedkey]

I'll give you $10,000 if anyone is stupid enough to give any player (Even if it's McDavid) $18-20M in caphit when McDavid contract is up for negotiating, it won't happen.

No way in hell you can ice a competitive team with 1 player having a caphit of $18-20 million... unless the cap-era ends.

Cap could be up to 96.600 that offseason
Ovechkin signed a deal worth 18.96% of the cap which would be as high as 18.315

My guess is McDavid will come in at 15.625, making him the get the biggest contract in NHL history (125 million total) though.

 

[Laoghaire]

Why would Debrincat even want an 8 year deal? Sign a 3 year deal and it's pretty likely the next 5 after will be more expensive with the cap going up.

 

[Forge]

Why would Debrincat even want an 8 year deal? Sign a 3 year deal and it's pretty likely the next 5 after will be more expensive with the cap going up.

Some players dig the security. Some are willing to gamble. Guys like bratt and Timo and PLD all took 8 year deals this offseason.

 

[Laoghaire]

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Some players dig the security. Some are willing to gamble. Guys like bratt and Timo and PLD all took 8 year deals this offseason.

Oh I can totally see it. Fully guaranteed millions in a sport with injuries galore...

But if it's his goal to maximize income, going for shorter terms would maximize that no?

 

[Ezekial]

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Oh I can totally see it. Fully guaranteed millions in a sport with injuries galore...

But if it's his goal to maximize income, going for shorter terms would maximize that no?

It's relative. You can possibly get more money by negotiating a new contract every few years but you can also get hurt or start to decline and miss out on millions of guaranteed money.

 

[BM14]

f*** me I would kill for Wilson.... just imagine this lineup that will never likely happen;

Brady-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Stu-Giroux
Formenton-Pinto-Wilson
MacEwen-Kastelic-Joseph.
Imama

That would be a really friggin tough lineup to face in a playoff series. Formenton and Wilson are long shots, and obviously im a bit high. But boy oh boy that team would be able to bring it physically. And some scoring depth on all 4 lines (relatively speaking).

Who wants to tell him?

 

[SENStastic]

f*** me I would kill for Wilson.... just imagine this lineup that will never likely happen;

Brady-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Stu-Giroux
Formenton-Pinto-Wilson
MacEwen-Kastelic-Joseph.
Imama

That would be a really friggin tough lineup to face in a playoff series. Formenton and Wilson are long shots, and obviously im a bit high. But boy oh boy that team would be able to bring it physically. And some scoring depth on all 4 lines (relatively speaking).

Oh ya for sure, would love to add him to our roster. Unfortunately this is just wishful thinking on our part tho, Washington already made it clear he's not available :/

 

[SensFactor]

Oh yah forgot about Formenton. Any news when the 2018 WJC investigaion is going to be completed?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Y'all should lock this thread until something actually happens. Lool