LeBrun: DeBrincat will most likely be traded, agent has submitted list of preferred destinations

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

I think there will be many more suitors next year. Isn't the cap supposed to be going up again?

There's always a demand for goal scorers in the league, just not ones who want a lot of money who are currently on a one-year contract.

If the guy wants to be in Detroit then the list of suitors doesn't matter.

The key word here and in my last post is "if"

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

There's NO chance a playing like DBC only gets this.

Ottawa has 7 forwards signed and only 15 of 23 on their roster signed at the moment with only 9.14 million in space.
Ottawa Senators Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

That team is in a dangerous position right now. Even without DeBrincat having 9.14 mil for 8 spaces is setting the team up for failure. Ottawa is very unlikely to get what they paid for him, and they definitely aren't getting more when his contract demands are going to be so high.

 

[NyQuil]

If the guy wants to be in Detroit then the list of suitors doesn't matter.

The key word here and in my last post is "if"

I suppose, but I think Detroit is a much more attractive option this year with only a few teams in the mix.

I've seen a lot of "well, we'll just get him for free next year" posts over the years and those guys usually end up signing long-term deals before it happens.

 

[bert]

I like DeBrincat and would have preferred he stay in Ottawa, but I don't get why Detroit would want him. He's not the kind of player they should be giving up assets for and then handing out a big contract.

Maybe he could fit into what they're building, but I don't see it. He'll still produce and be a good player, they should look elsewhere though.

Really they have absolutely no elite scoring Ottawa is the opposite.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

I suppose, but I think Detroit is a much more attractive option this year with only a few teams in the mix.

Could very well be the case. I think adding him would be a boon but I'm not in the camp that thinks it's necessary

 

[bert]

I suppose, but I think Detroit is a much more attractive option this year with only a few teams in the mix.

I've seen a lot of "well, we'll just get him for free next year" posts over the years and those guys usually end up signing long-term deals before it happens.

Dubois cough montreal cough

 

[NyQuil]

Could very well be the case. I think adding him would be a boon but I'm not in the camp that thinks it's necessary

What's interesting about DeBrincat is that he's still quite young (25) and in most scenarios, he's the kind of player that never would have been allowed to leave Chicago.

The unique circumstances of their tear down made him available at a time where he has a great deal of hockey left to offer.

A team in a rebuild COULD acquire him and be reasonably certain that he'll still be productive as the team turns the corner. That doesn't appear to be the case for a lot of available offensive talent.

 

[BondraTime]

It's a reasonable explanation as to why DeBrincat didn't hit 35-40 goals last year like he has in the past... not overly difficult to understand but sure


As underwhelming as that is, probably correct

He hit less/same posts and crossbars this season compared to any of the last 3.

 

[SensontheRush]

If the guy wants to be in Detroit then the list of suitors doesn't matter.

The key word here and in my last post is "if"

Why does it matter to Ottawa where DbC wants to go?

 

[NyQuil]

Why does it matter to Ottawa where DbC wants to go?

It doesn't - the point he's making is that, if ADB ONLY wants to go to Detroit, they might as well wait, because he'll play out one season wherever and then ONLY sign with Detroit long-term afterwards.

It's not as if Detroit is likely competing this year so why burn assets acquiring a guy when they can pick him up a year from now?

There are a few cases out there (like Fox in New York) where youngish players will only play for one single solitary team in the NHL but it's pretty rare IMO.

I think it would be pretty risky for Detroit if they are set on adding ADB to wait, but if he's not that important to their plans, maybe they should gamble.

The other risk is that he ends up costing more as a UFA in terms of AAV than acquiring him and signing him now. You can't necessarily predict the market and where the cap will be at that time.

 

[SimonEdvinssonAtSix]

Why does it matter to Ottawa where DbC wants to go?

Edit: The guy above me explained it better.

 

[Artanis]

Ottawa has 7 forwards signed and only 15 of 23 on their roster signed at the moment with only 9.14 million in space.
Ottawa Senators Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

That team is in a dangerous position right now. Even without DeBrincat having 9.14 mil for 8 spaces is setting the team up for failure. Ottawa is very unlikely to get what they paid for him, and they definitely aren't getting more when his contract demands are going to be so high.

If you think someone isn't going to match a 2nd + prospect, idk what to tell you.

 

[NyQuil]

If you think someone isn't going to match a 2nd + prospect, idk what to tell you.

Not a lot of teams have the space, and they have to be teams that ADB is willing to sign for long-term.

Otherwise it's a rental and rental prices are usually higher at the deadline when the urgency is palpable and teams are more desperate to fill a need or replace an injury.

Ottawa can't necessarily wait until then depending on how the roster shapes up, as they are getting very close to the cap themselves, even after arbitration.

Trading him at the deadline to get some asset(s) as opposed to losing him for free would leave open a pretty big hole in the top six that they would have to fill if they were in the midst of some kind of playoff race.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If you think someone isn't going to match a 2nd + prospect, idk what to tell you.

That's not what I'm implying. I'm sure 30 other teams would match that. The point is that there are only so many teams with cap space available. There are 6 teams that could take DeBrincat without sending salary back in return. Detroit is the only one on DeBrincat's list. (Or did he add Nashville? I can't remember.)

Boston's 1st in 2024 should be between 16 and 24. That has good value. Throw in a 3rd or 4th and Ottawa can take a run at Zadina after Detroit terminates his contract. I think that would be sufficient for DeBrincat right now.

 

[Korpse]

Ottawa has 7 forwards signed and only 15 of 23 on their roster signed at the moment with only 9.14 million in space.
Ottawa Senators Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

That team is in a dangerous position right now. Even without DeBrincat having 9.14 mil for 8 spaces is setting the team up for failure.

I’m going to say this as nicely as I can because it’s a common mistake a lot of people make when looking at cap friendly but youre wrong.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I’m going to say this as nicely as I can because it’s a common mistake a lot of people make when looking at cap friendly but youre wrong.

How long are Josh Norris and Anton Forsberg going to be on IR? Because even with them on the roster they're still short on forward and even shorter on cap space. Am I still wrong?

 

[TGWL]

It's a reasonable explanation as to why DeBrincat didn't hit 35-40 goals last year like he has in the past... not overly difficult to understand but sure


As underwhelming as that is, probably correct

What was the reason for his 3rd year? Also post shots and being robbed by a goalie?

 

[SlapJack]

Really they have absolutely no elite scoring Ottawa is the opposite.

If I was rebuilding a team for the future, I wouldn't be looking for a small scorer that makes a lot and potentially slots in as your #1 or 2 producer. With Ottawa there was 3 players clearly more productive, and DeBrincat would've been in the same ballpark as 2 others.

I think Detroit needs a bit more bite up front as well and adding DeBrincat doesn't address that. Ottawa top 6 already had some decent size and physicality, so DeBrincat was a good complimentary piece. Now is he worth the cap space cost to Ottawa? Probably not for the future and definitely not this year.

Anaheim would be a better fit with those 2 big young centers, Zegras, Terry, etc. Similar to Ottawa, DeBrincat would not be THE guy.

 

[BondraTime]

How long are Josh Norris and Anton Forsberg going to be on IR? Because even with them on the roster they're still short on forward and even shorter on cap space. Am I still wrong?

Yes, they aren't on IR, they just ended the season on it. Both of their contracts are counted towards the salary cap already.

They have 9 million to fill 4/5 forward spots

 

[TCNorthstars]

I like DeBrincat and would have preferred he stay in Ottawa, but I don't get why Detroit would want him. He's not the kind of player they should be giving up assets for and then handing out a big contract.

Maybe he could fit into what they're building, but I don't see it. He'll still produce and be a good player, they should look elsewhere though.

If they can get him for not the greatest assets why not?

 

[TCNorthstars]

I’m going to say this as nicely as I can because it’s a common mistake a lot of people make when looking at cap friendly but youre wrong.

Usually when people point out a mistake they take the time to say why the other is mistaken.

 

[Korpse]

How long are Josh Norris and Anton Forsberg going to be on IR? Because even with them on the roster they're still short on forward and even shorter on cap space. Am I still wrong?

They will be back for training camp, they were on IR at the end of the season so cap friendly will leave them there over the offseason. Their cap hits are already included, on top of that you have internal options on ELC like Greig who will assuredly be on the opening night roster. Replace Debrincat, sign Pinto and 2 bottom 6 forwards. That’s what remains for the roster. They have 9 forwards under contract.

 

[SlapJack]

How long are Josh Norris and Anton Forsberg going to be on IR? Because even with them on the roster they're still short on forward and even shorter on cap space. Am I still wrong?

Not really, you just missed Norris being included in the count of signed forwards. His AAV and Forsberg's were accounted for in your original numbers.

So they do have to fill at least 4 forward spots. Pinto needs to be resigned, Grieg might fill another, maybe Smejkal works into the bottom 6. Kelly will hopefully be considered a 13th forward or sent down, so that leaves 2 spots open with around $5M in cap space.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Not really, you just missed Norris being included in the count of signed forwards. His AAV and Forsberg's were accounted for in your original numbers.

So they do have to fill at least 4 forward spots. Pinto needs to be resigned, Grieg might fill another, maybe Smejkal works into the bottom 6. Kelly will hopefully be considered a 13th forward or sent down, so that leaves 2 spots open with around $5M in cap space.

Fair enough, but even that isn't enough to keep DeBrincat and puts more pressure on Ottawa to trade him soon for whatever they can get.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

My Best Guess at the sequence of events:

DBC informs OTT that he does not plan to extend with a long term deal with them and wishes to try FA next year

OTT and DBC discuss trade and DBC provides preferred destinations

OTT fields offers but does not allow DBC's Agent to negotiate contract extension, hoping to improve offers

DBC Agent leaks preferred destinations to media as a way to control where DBC goes

DET make lowball offer to OTT

PD declines and continually talks with other teams (NYI, ANA, CAR, etc.) in hopes to drive offer up

OTT leaks other teams in discussion to help create upswing in price

Offers are all underwhelming and at 1-Yr Rental Price

OTT/PD allow DBC Agent to negotiate extension prior to trade

DBC Agent kills off the likelihood he signs extension with ANA or NYI, leaving OTT with DET and their underwhelming offer

Other teams leave the discussion over the course of days

DBC Agent discusses extension with DET, DET offers less term or money than DBC wants

Now everyone is in a weird holding pattern and doesn't know what to do

HFBoards debate non-stop for days on end