LeBrun: DeBrincat will most likely be traded, agent has submitted list of preferred destinations

[norrisnick]

Detroit had 1 forward as good or better than J.Norris and he played 72 more games than Norris did.
Ottawa had to play 3rd-string or worse goalies for a combined 27 games last year
Ottawa's top D pairing also missed a combined 43 games.

Despite all that, Ottawa finished only 6 points out of the playoffs.
They've essentially added Norris and Korpisalo for the year, as well as Chychrun for 70 more games. If they can figure out a DeBrincat replacement, and can stay healthy - they are 100% gaining more than 6 points in the standings.

Context matters here.

And only 6pts ahead of Detroit who were perfectly healthy all year with no games lost to anything silly like the Players Assistance Program.

 

[KevinRedkey]

And only 6pts ahead of Detroit who were perfectly healthy all year with no games lost to anything silly like the Players Assistance Program.

Vrana hasn't been an impact player since 2020. Is that who you're referring to?

Losing Alex Formenton for the year was a bigger loss than him. Lol

 

[dirtydanglez]

if im detroit i wouldnt bother going after debrincat unless you can land kane too.

 

[SensFactor]

Personally I think he stays with Ottawa for the year...

 

[norrisnick]

Vrana hasn't been an impact player since 2020. Is that who you're referring to?

Losing Alex Formenton for the year was a bigger loss than him. Lol

He's scored 32 goals in his last 62 games. Him not being in the lineup does impact a team's ability to compete. As does the guy who scored 30 in '22 only to give us 4 in '23 because he loves to live in shooting lanes. The Wings had more man games lost than Ottawa last season. But by all means keep bringing it up as if it makes your team special.

 

[Big Ed]

Vrana hasn't been an impact player since 2020. Is that who you're referring to?

Losing Alex Formenton for the year was a bigger loss than him. Lol

He's played the best hockey of his career post-2020, what are you talking about?

 

[edguy]

Personally I think he stays with Ottawa for the year...

Don't think thats even an option at this point. Both sides want to move on, teams are interested, it'll get done. These discussions take time and theres really no rush for anyone

 

[KevinRedkey]

He's scored 32 goals in his last 62 games. Him not being in the lineup does impact a team's ability to compete. As does the guy who scored 30 in '22 only to give us 4 in '23 because he loves to live in shooting lanes. The Wings had more man games lost than Ottawa last season. But by all means keep bringing it up as if it makes your team special.

More man games lost to shit players is not the same as losing top guys.

Norris, Zub, Formenton and Forsberg all missed significant time.

You're only answer is a guy who hasn't gotten more than 25 point sin 5yrs.

Edit: User 'Big Ed' corrected me. Vrana has gotten more than 25pts. My bad.

 

[jkutswings]

As much fun as it is to observe a measuring contest between Detroit and Ottawa for greatest hardships, the thread will live longer if we keep it focused on the possibility of Debrincat getting traded.

 

[norrisnick]

More man games lost to shit players is not the same as losing top guys.

Norris, Zub, Formenton and Forsberg all missed significant time.

You're only answer is a guy who hasn't gotten more than 25 point sin 5yrs.

Bertuzzi, Vrana, Fabbri, Walman, Rasmussen, Zadina, Soderblom all missed 20-60+ games. But yeah, none of them would have helped the Wings at all.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Personally I think he stays with Ottawa for the year...

It's literally not possible unless Ottawa pays to unload Joseph and/or DeBrincat accepts 5.500 or less. They don't have the cap space to sign him to the minimum 7.650 the arbitrator will award him.

 

[Big Ed]

More man games lost to shit players is not the same as losing top guys.

Norris, Zub, Formenton and Forsberg all missed significant time.

You're only answer is a guy who hasn't gotten more than 25 point sin 5yrs.

Huh?

Vrana's last 5 years:

22-23: 16 points in 25 games (Player assistance program)
21-22: 19 points in 26 games (Injury)
20-21: 36 points in 50 games
19-20: 52 points in 69 games
18-19: 47 points in 82 games

Going by your logic, Norris and Formenton only combined for 3 points last year so obviously they're both terrible players.

 

[SoupNazi]

As much fun as it is to observe a measuring contest between Detroit and Ottawa for greatest hardships, the thread will live longer if we keep it focused on the possibility of Debrincat getting traded.

Well put.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Just for fun...

What's everyone's prediction regarding goals and points if DeBrincat plays with Larkin and is a fixture on PP1? Assume 82 games played for both.

34 goals and 76 points is my guess

 

[SENStastic]

Just for fun...

What's everyone's prediction regarding goals and points if DeBrincat plays with Larkin and is a fixture on PP1? Assume 82 games played for both.

34 goals and 76 points is my guess

35/75 is very likely imo.

Man forget the other poster, he's a homer and won't change his mind regardless of what arguments you make. Check out the discussion on Detroits DBC trade thread, alot of his fanbase aren't crazy about his takes either.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Personally I think he stays with Ottawa for the year...

How though? We literally can’t fit his minimum arbitration reward he’d get under the cap. We have about 10 mil left to use on 5 forwards, including Pinto needing a contract.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Just for fun...

What's everyone's prediction regarding goals and points if DeBrincat plays with Larkin and is a fixture on PP1? Assume 82 games played for both.

34 goals and 76 points is my guess

Funny enough, not to get ahead of this because I'm still not sure Debrincat is coming to the Wings, I don't actually see Larkin as the driver for Debrincat's play. Larkin is a north-south speed demon but he's definitely more of a shoot first C. I think Raymond, who generally likes to set up from the outside and make the extra pass, will find Debrincat a lot more for the score than Larkin will.

I think your ranges are about what I would expect.

 

[SoupNazi]

Just for fun...

What's everyone's prediction regarding goals and points if DeBrincat plays with Larkin and is a fixture on PP1? Assume 82 games played for both.

34 goals and 76 points is my guess

About the same - 35/75 give or take.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Funny enough, not to get ahead of this because I'm still not sure Debrincat is coming to the Wings, I don't actually see Larkin as the driver for Debrincat's play. Larkin is a north-south speed demon but he's definitely more of a shoot first C. I think Raymond, who generally likes to set up from the outside and make the extra pass, will find Debrincat a lot more for the score than Larkin will.

I think your ranges are about what I would expect.

Solid post. I hadn't considered that but it makes sense for sure.

 

[SENStastic]

How though? We literally can’t fit his minimum arbitration reward he’d get under the cap. We have about 10 mil left to use on 5 forwards, including Pinto needing a contract.

Shipping Joseph out is the easiest answer. It would make us cap compliant with DBC and Pinto getting a cheap 1 year 1.5m extension. The bottom depth will still be bad however, you'd have to fill it with our AHL prospects and hope Greig/Soko are ready to make the jump and adapt quickly. Not ideal but technically doable, that's the easiest way if we have to keep him. Caphit total ends up around 83.

 

[newfy]

Funny enough, not to get ahead of this because I'm still not sure Debrincat is coming to the Wings, I don't actually see Larkin as the driver for Debrincat's play. Larkin is a north-south speed demon but he's definitely more of a shoot first C. I think Raymond, who generally likes to set up from the outside and make the extra pass, will find Debrincat a lot more for the score than Larkin will.

I think your ranges are about what I would expect.

Larkin Raymond and Debrincat could really compliment each other well. Larkin is a play driver and heavy lifter, Raymond pretty well rounded and Debrincat a finisher. When Larkin is doing his north south speed thing, Debrincat will be following him up finding the open space and put a lot of goals in the net.

I know Kane is really good but hes a winger, Larkin would be the best center Debrincat has ever played with. Kane and Debrincat helped each other out as well, that wasnt a one way street.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

How though? We literally can’t fit his minimum arbitration reward he’d get under the cap. We have about 10 mil left to use on 5 forwards, including Pinto needing a contract.

Any news on where he is willing to land?

 

[Petes2424]

As much fun as it is to observe a measuring contest between Detroit and Ottawa for greatest hardships, the thread will live longer if we keep it focused on the possibility of Debrincat getting traded.

I’m beginning to hope this trade happens now. Just to see the year long pissing match of how Detroit is using him smarter, or Pinto vs Rasmussen if Larkin goes down, or how Seider no longer laughs at him.

Could be a good first step in what’s likely to be, a big rivalry over the next ten years.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Vrana hasn't been an impact player since 2020. Is that who you're referring to?

Losing Alex Formenton for the year was a bigger loss than him. Lol

That’s wild lol

 

[letsgowings9999]

Another reason for not getting debrincat and locking him up 8 yrs is we just did that with Larkin and seider is next up and possibly raymond although I suspect yzerman might go shorter but if the body contract is possible I'd do it

That would give 4 guys x8 in the 35 mill ballpark with all the other kids coming up the pipeline before those deals are up

I suspect yzerman is pushing for like 5 yrs and alex wants 7/8 and I hope theres a gm out there that circles back and gives him what he wants