Value of: David Savard at the deadline

[pth2]

Best offers will be at (next year’s) deadline for DS. Reading you correctly?
Thats why i dont get the driver’s seat comment. Having the luxury to receive bad offers?

It means Montreal can listen to offers, set a high price and feel no pressure to move him if the price isn't met.

Whereas, say, an expriring UFA, a team doesn't want to miss its chance before the buyer potentially moves on. Imagine if someone offers a 5th rounder for Pearson. Would Hughes dare say no in the hope of getting a 3d or 4th?

 

[biturbo19]

I can see teams kicking tires on Savard. He'd be a decent addition for someone if you can push him down to a more appropriate role on the depth chart. A rugged, steady, stay-at-home tough minutes RHD is what pretty much half the league is looking to at trying to add.

However, i really don't see Montreal being all that interested in moving him. Because of his age and slowing down a bit, the price likely isn't going to be enough to outweigh his value as a bit of a sacrificial lamb, just getting caved in with top pairing type minutes to help shelter or insulate some of the various young defencemen the Habs are trying to break in to the league and establish.

 

[samsagat]

Driver’s seat, why is that? Having Savard, Barron and Kovacevic at rd is not exactly ideal.

I dont know Hugo like at all except he is a former agent, but i know honeymoon is not over. Was same thing with Bergevin. Trades for Allen, Anderson and even Dvorak were well received.

Driver's seat because he's in no hurry to trade Savard or Kovacevic. Not because of his roster at RD.

MTL is in full rebuild, the actual roster isn't really relevant aside from the young ones.

I don't know where your comparison with MB is coming from, but Hughes is smarter, more organised and he's sticking to the plan.

MB was a weathercock governed by his ego.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The extra year remaining on Savard’s contract is a major negative for this upcoming TDL. Most teams look for expiring contracts.

Could probably get a decent return with 50% retention. But does Montreal want to tie up their last retention slot for 2023-24 and two of their three slots for 2024-25?

Yeah.

The only other really player with value that might be moved is Monahan and being ufa it costs like a 4th to retain, so the acquiring team can send that to a 3rd team.

That's assuming the value is there with Savard retained.

 

[Baksfamous112]

If what you want could arguably acquire Chris Tanev, then it’s too much for David Savard

Only one team will be able to acquire Tanev. Once he’s gone, I can’t see a reason why Savard wouldn’t get a similar return from a team that has a need at RHD and is panicking.

I think if you are willing to retain on him you could get a really good return. Retain 50% and then some is getting this year and next year of Savard at 1.75M. That is worth a 1st.

The issue is do you use your 3rd and last retention slot on Savard? For a first I would.

Monahan probably moves at the deadline too but his salary is so low you don't need to retain to up his value.

Assuming you move monahan you want to keep Dvo so need to use it there. Armia? no amount of retention gets you any value back. Savard is the one guy with retention who gets you a 1st.

I doubt Hughes will want to retain on Savard. We are already using 2 retaining slots on Petry and Edmundson and a team is only allowed to have 3 at a given time. Most likely the last slot will be used on another asset to get a better return. My guess is its going to be on Dvorak.

 

[JRichard]

Driver's seat because he's in no hurry to trade Savard or Kovacevic. Not because of his roster at RD.

MTL is in full rebuild, the actual roster isn't really relevant aside from the young ones.

I don't know where your comparison with MB is coming from, but Hughes is smarter, more organised and he's sticking to the plan.

MB was a weathercock governed by his ego.

What i mean is if you have depth at one position, now you are in a driver’s seat to trade whoever you wish. When you are not deep, well you play your guys.

As far as the gm, its pretty simple: at first most loved Bergevin, then it faded. Its same thing with every gm. At some point they are canned. And of course you prefer the next guy. Until you hate him.

Only one team will be able to acquire Tanev. Once he’s gone, I can’t see a reason why Savard wouldn’t get a similar return from a team that has a need at RHD and is panicking.


I doubt Hughes will want to retain on Savard. We are already using 2 retaining slots on Petry and Edmundson and a team is only allowed to have 3 at a given time. Most likely the last slot will be used on another asset to get a better return. My guess is its going to be on Dvorak.

Sean Walker. Nick Seeler. Thats only 1 team. Younger, cheaper. No term.
its more than Tanev.

 

[Baksfamous112]

What i mean is if you have depth at one position, now you are in a driver’s seat to trade whoever you wish. When you are not deep, well you play your guys.

As far as the gm, its pretty simple: at first most loved Bergevin, then it faded. Its same thing with every gm. At some point they are canned. And of course you prefer the next guy. Until you hate him.


Sean Walker. Nick Seeler. Thats only 1 team. Younger, cheaper. No term.
its more than Tanev.

Isn’t one of the great thing about Savard right now is that he’s got another year at a very reasonable cap and not just being a pure rental? Shouldn’t that make him more enticing to teams?

 

[JRichard]

Isn’t one of the great thing about Savard right now is that he’s got another year at a very reasonable cap and not just being a pure rental? Shouldn’t that make him more enticing to teams?

Honestly i dont think so. A team might want Savard because they have an injured rd. They might also have prospects who could be ready next year. And only the playoff teams with a decent shot (not like the Flyers for example) so market aint that good imo.

pretty obvious ufa at tdl are gold.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Honestly i dont think so. A team might want Savard because they have an injured rd. They might also have prospects who could be ready next year. And only the playoff teams with a decent shot (not like the Flyers for example) so market aint that good imo.

pretty obvious ufa at tdl are gold.

But on the flip side team could have a good RHD for two playoff run instead of one. Also, these past couple of years, the players with 1 1/2 years left on their deal were more sought after than pure rentals, especially the ones with a low cap hit. They even went for a big premium

 

[JRichard]

But on the flip side team could have a good RHD for two playoff run instead of one. Also, these past couple of years, the players with 1 1/2 years left on their deal were more sought after than pure rentals, especially the ones with a low cap hit. They even went for a big premium

Could be. I cant say if true or not. Not sure how to confirm that claim. Players with 1 more year fetching more than those expiring. Savard low cap? Maybe July 2nd 24 once the 500k bonus is paid but 3.5 cap still.

Anyway, to me Savard isnt moving this year.

 

[HuGort]

L'importance de David Savard

Avec et sans lui

2022-2023
Avec : 27-31-4
Sans : 4-14-2
Total : 31-45-6

2023-2024
Avec : 5-2-2
Sans : 9-11-2
Total : 14-13-4

- Stéphane Laberge sur X


Sorry it's in french but I think you understand what it means (Habs results with and without Savard; avec = with him; sans = without him).

It's quite impressive.

He's the textbook defenseman teams are after comes the TD: Righty, big, experienced, does all the little things the right way.

He's obviously still effective and have another year at 3,5 mil, which is a good contract/good length.

Savard is good defense man. Montreal may hang onto him another year. Get that extra year out of him then deal him

 

[ole ole]

I know Pierre LeBrun and David Pagnotta are not experts like we have on this board but here is some of what they think.

A major rumor involving David Savard has just been confirmed: acquiring a 1st round pick in exchange is a real possibility

It's even more obvious since his return to the game, but David Savard really proves that he can make a big difference in a lineup

www.habsfanatics.com

 

[Mrfenn92]

I know Pierre LeBrun and David Pagnotta are not experts like we have on this board but here is some of what they think.

A major rumor involving David Savard has just been confirmed: acquiring a 1st round pick in exchange is a real possibility

It's even more obvious since his return to the game, but David Savard really proves that he can make a big difference in a lineup

www.habsfanatics.com

Is it a legit source site?

 

[ole ole]

Is it a legit source site?

Are you suggesting they are making up quotes?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Are you suggesting they are making up quotes?

Just asking if they are a legit site that’s all

 

[ole ole]

Just asking if they are a legit site that’s all

Who am i to say if this is a legit site or not.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Who am i to say if this is a legit site or not.

Ok. Just asked a question. Cheers. Meant nothing by it bud.

 

[ole ole]

Ok. Just asked a question. Cheers. Meant nothing by it bud.

No problem. I really can't say if it's a legit site or not.

 

[Mrfenn92]

No problem. I really can't say if it's a legit site or not.

Understood.

 

[Intangir]

Is it a legit source site?

It's a legitimate site in the sense that they don't scam people, and it serves its purpose in a legal way.

Now, is it a good information site, with poignant and insightful content that one would use on day-to-day basis to keep oneself informed about Hockey and Canadiens news?

Short answer is "no", long answer is more of the same but with more detail on how flimsy and biased their commentary is.

But they don't distort sources, or at least not that I'm aware of, despite how they may choose to frame them into arguments that they make. It's not much to go by, but it's still something.

 

[Mrfenn92]

It's a legitimate site in the sense that they don't scam people, and it serves its purpose in a legal way.

Now, is it a good information site, with poignant and insightful content that one would use on day-to-day basis to keep oneself informed about Hockey and Canadiens news?

Short answer is "no", long answer is more of the same but with more detail on how flimsy and biased their commentary is.

But they don't distort sources, or at least not that I'm aware of, despite how they may choose to frame them into arguments that they make. It's not much to go by, but it's still something.

Thanks for the info

 

[Hunter368]

Thanks for the info

it’s a site, like many sites, but it’s not an approved source.

 

[ole ole]

it’s a site, like many sites, but it’s not an approved source.

Approved by who?

 

[Hunter368]

Approved by who?

Approved must be approved by HFB/common sense to be considered legit source of rumours here…….bloggers. Twitte, FB, etc aren’t approved as legit sources Of true rumours.

Specfic rule is:

• Links and Sources - All rumors, confirmed transactions, and articles require links to be posted on the Trades Board. If one of these is posted without a link, it will be closed until one is provided. Please be very careful about what your source is.There are hundreds of fake Twitter accounts that will post fake tweets as true - do not post these here. We have a list of vetted sources that can break news - be sure any kind of confirmation is from one of those sources.

 

[ole ole]

Approved must be approved by HFB to be considered legit source of rumours here…….bloggers. Twitte, FB, etc aren’t approved as legit sources Of true rumours

You trying to say that HFB is the know all of legit sources of rumors.
PLEASE.