Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[themilosh]

I'm an eagles fan, I want our team ran like the eagles are right now, they get it. Carter @ 9, lol. I love they build from the trenches out, but the nfl isn't like the nhl at all. But for the sake of argument, Michkov is a QB, sometimes you swing for the fences for that QB pick, sometimes it works out: Mahomes/Allen, sometimes it doesn't: Trubisky/ Smith.

I think you swing for the potential and numbers he had compared to Ovy, Malkin, Kucherov coupled with what he did @ under 18s. Philly sports gets it I guess.

Thing is people are talking about Michkov (5'9 160lbs) like he's OVI (6'3" 230lb).. let's stop with that immediately. while the kid has skill no doubt, he's never played the North American circuit. With the smaller rinks, small guys have less space (which is why size matters). I actually think the best comparable to Michkov is CC. We don't need another CC in our top 6, not to mention the jury is still out on whether or not CC can handle the rigors of an 82 game sched and playoffs without getting injured.
Come playoff time, Forwards perform based on the success of Defense -- the Reinbacher pick finished our rebuild of Defensemen, now we will start developing them. Our current top 6 will change somewhat over the next 3 years as Hugo continues to build. We also drafted 3 goalies in hopes that (1 of our current prospect corps) will be ready in 3 years to make a cup run.
Once a Cup run is in place - any/all of our extra depth and/or draft picks will be used to fill in remaining needs in the top 9, to finalize our depth with a homegrown 4th line (Xhekaj-Pez-Xhekaj)...

this rebuild is incredibly well planned out. the current development will be geared towards a peak fitness when our youth hit (~23-28yos). Thank god Hugo is not listening to the Media, they just want a shiney toy to follow in the KHL..

I think this season we finish bottom 10-15 with massive leaps in player metrics. the 24-25 season will be when we are ready to make a playoff run and put our development to the test!

 

[RationalExpectations]

Yes they drafted for need : every cup winning team needs a 1D. MTL will need one and maybe they have found him. A top pairing D has more value than anything except a top C to me. That makes him BPA

As a MTL and VAN fan I Can tell you the VAN pick is much more reaching for a need... Another depressing year incoming for me

 

[sandviper]

Do you think the team that picked Michkov, or those who wanted the Habs to pick Michkov, are not aware of the risks you bring up?

It’s a bit presumptuous isn’t it?

If by risks you mean the whole geo-political situation, I never said that. Sure, that risk exists, but there’s the risks of him not developing the way you want, risk in him not developing in his game away from the puck, and whatever “risk” you want to insert here.

What is presumptuous is assuming all teams have the same levels of risk aversion or tolerance. Montreal is not Philly. Anaheim is not Arizona. Hell, I’m not Kent Hughes. Maybe he is less risk adverse than me. Maybe I’m less so than him.

I mean, I think it’s reasonable to think we are at least two years ahead of Philly in our respective rebuilds. Montreal chose a player who they can more closely monitor, control/direct and develop.

Anyhow, you’ve conveniently left out the part where I did say I prefer Michkov. While I would have liked Montreal to take that “risk”, I do understand why they didn’t. I also am not at all surprised by the decision.

This is a Reinbacher thread so I‘ll end with this. This isn’t some outrageous reach here. He was 8th on Bob’s list and I do believe he’s a heck of a talent. I personally think he was a better pick at #5 than Slaf was at #1 (though I am fine with that pick also).

 

[Kennerback]

Thing is people are talking about Michkov (5'9 160lbs) like he's OVI (6'3" 230lb).. let's stop with that immediately. while the kid has skill no doubt, he's never played the North American circuit. With the smaller rinks, small guys have less space (which is why size matters). I actually think the best comparable to Michkov is CC. We don't need another CC in our top 6, not to mention the jury is still out on whether or not CC can handle the rigors of an 82 game sched and playoffs without getting injured.
Come playoff time, Forwards perform based on the success of Defense -- the Reinbacher pick finished our rebuild of Defensemen, now we will start developing them. Our current top 6 will change somewhat over the next 3 years as Hugo continues to build. We also drafted 3 goalies in hopes that (1 of our current prospect corps) will be ready in 3 years to make a cup run.
Once a Cup run is in place - any/all of our extra depth and/or draft picks will be used to fill in remaining needs in the top 9, to finalize our depth with a homegrown 4th line (Xhekaj-Pez-Xhekaj)...

this rebuild is incredibly well planned out. the current development will be geared towards a peak fitness when our youth hit (~23-28yos). Thank god Hugo is not listening to the Media, they just want a shiney toy to follow in the KHL..

Flyers said he’s over 180 pounds and over 5:10. They said they were surprised how big he was in real life.

 

[sampollock]

Flyers said he’s over 180 pounds and over 5:10. They said they were surprised how big he was in real life.

so he is fat!!! LOL

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Hughes didn't say Reinbacher was their BPA. He said they wanted to fill a bucket with a RD. I wish he came out and said he was the highest guy on their board and didn't want to lose out on Reinbacher. Instead, he said RD was a bucket that needed to be filled so they drafted him.

This feels like when everyone tried to convince this board KK was the BPA, or people sinking on the MB ship right to the end.

Reinbacher is a fantastic prospect. Hughes words do not sound like BPA when they drafted Reinbacher.

It's very obvious to me from everything Hughes said and everything Bobrov and Lapointe said that Reinbacher was absolutely their BPA. All Hughes said was that he was RHD which made it even better for them - but that is common knowledge - everyone knows RHD are harder to find than LHD.

So be happy! The Habs drafted the BPA by their list. And he's a great prospect. Hooray!!!!

 

[Schooner Guy]

It would have been better to gamble on an offensive wizard rather than a future #2D...

I don't know what are you talking about, I didn't say anything about his ability or inability to learn quickly, I don't know him, I only took KH's words. I think you misunderstood me since the beginning.

My point is, don't you think they account for everything, when they make projection about a player ? They came to the conclusion that he may only be a #2D. Then again, maybe it was a poor wording from KH...

If there was an offensive wizard available with above average speed, who went to the dirty areas, and who didn't have a boatload of uncertainty around him, I'm sure our hockey ops would have selected that player. Having said that, such a player wouldn't have been available at #5 and especially not at #7.

 

[Kennerback]

He’s way ahead of Guhle at the same age, that’s more what i meant. And he has more growth to do!

It depends in what. I would agree on having a good stick, taking the right man, knowing where to position himself defensively, being responsible, getting out of defensive trouble. Guhle was a bigger hitter, and more offensively active.

 

[themilosh]

Flyers said he’s over 180 pounds and over 5:10. They said they were surprised how big he was in real life.

well maybe he is bigger than listed... FLyers are about to hit rock bottom (where we were 2 years ago, and even 3 years ago though we got lucky in the playoffs). they can afford to wait 3 years for him. Briere is a rookie GM, in a win-win situation.. Nobody is going to get mad at him for drafting Michkov if things don't work out as planned. He's still in honeymoon phase.

As for the Cs - I will call it now and say Dvorsky will be a better C than 1 of the top 4. St.Louis is laughing right now, such an easy pick at #10.

 

[WentWughes]

Quote from Daniel Winnik, former nhler. Looks like he is very high on Reinbacher and deems he has way higher potential then the “experts” are projecting.

 

[Saxon]

Our own Austrian Oak has my support!! Regardless of who else was available that’s not on this kid, our D is going to be something else in a few years!!

 

[ClasslessGuy]

His nickname should be “just david”

 

[Adriatic]

Can't wait to see him in action. Big talented right handed #1 defenseman that can skate.

 

[SlafySZN]

It depends in what. I would agree on having a good stick, taking the right man, knowing where to position himself defensively, being responsible, getting out of defensive trouble. Guhle was a bigger hitter, and more offensively active.

Don’t agree. Reinbacher is showing way more offensively than Guhle was at 18. Guhle had to develop that side of his game it wasn’t natural.

 

[WentWughes]

Also side not I did not realize how much quality former NHL,KHL and AHL players are playing in the Swiss league. Look at Winnik’s team for example, definitely a solid place to develop if he stays for another year.

 

[Cubebrick]

Don’t agree. Reinbacher is showing way more offensively than Guhle was at 18.

Yeah, it's really weird to constantly hear about Reinbacher's offense limitations.

He had to work his way up into the D pairings, and at some point became the go-to guy in many offensive situations. He was Kloten's main QB on the PP and had many O-zone FO starts.

He also has an amazing shot selection. When he shoots the puck, it almost always either hits the net or ends up on a teammate's blade somehow. I watched him a lot throughout the season since he was one of my favorite prospects and it's one thing that really impressed me.

Kloten would not have used him in this role if his game did not show a proclivity for offense.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Don’t agree. Reinbacher is showing way more offensively than Guhle was at 18. Guhle at the develop that side of his game it wasn’t natural.

I think I was the one who started the Guhle comparisons, so I could be blamed for this.

The Guhle comp is strictly from a tools/traits standpoint. Basically the same size, same skating, same smarts, same physicality, and same skills.

But it should be mentioned that Reinbacher is certainly further along than Guhle was at the time of their drafting. Reinbacher is borderline NHL ready.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I think I was the one who started the Guhle comparisons, so I could be blamed for this.

The Guhle comp is strictly from a tools/traits standpoint. Basically the same size, same skating, same smarts, same physicality, and same skills.

But it should be mentioned that Reinbacher is certainly further along than Guhle was at the time of their drafting. Reinbacher is borderline NHL ready.

They aren't really the same besides the elite defensive IQ. But while they're different in how the defend, etc they're both super effective at it

 

[Saxon]

I think I was the one who started the Guhle comparisons, so I could be blamed for this.

The Guhle comp is strictly from a tools/traits standpoint. Basically the same size, same skating, same smarts, same physicality, and same skills.

But it should be mentioned that Reinbacher is certainly further along than Guhle was at the time of their drafting. Reinbacher is borderline NHL ready.

You’re a monster

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The only crappy thing is now that I think of it more, they'll probably have to split up Guhle and Reinbacher to compensate for the others lack of elite defensive IQ. At least they're good offensively but they'll need those two defensive beasts to shelter them a bit 5 on 5 against first and second lines

Thats a good thing. Hutson and Mailloux are very talented offensively, and having Guhle and Reinbacher will allow them to shine and do their thing.

 

[Kennerback]

Yeah, it's really weird to constantly hear about Reinbacher's offense limitations.

He had to work his way up into the D pairings, and at some point became the go-to guy in many offensive situations. He was Kloten's main QB on the PP and had many O-zone FO starts.

He also has an amazing shot selection. When he shoots the puck, it almost always either hits the net or ends up on a teammate's blade somehow. I watched him a lot throughout the season since he was one of my favorite prospects and it's one thing that really impressed me.

Kloten would not have used him in this role if his game did not show a proclivity for offense.

I like that he gets the puck to the net despite traffic. Maybe he was a bit unlucky in the goal department.

 

[NicRattlehead]

And if the 4 C’s picked ahead of Reinbacher don’t become #1 C’s on their respective teams, its a failure on their part, especially if Reinbacher becomes a stud D

See I view it as “did the GM pick someone who appears to be and according to most experts was the best player available”. Kent Hughes didn’t do this. The other 4 GM’s ahead of him did. If you pick the best player available at the time and someone after him ends up being better it’s easy to say “oh well, it was still the right pick at the time”. But if Reinbacher is just another guy and Mitchkov becomes one of the best players in the NHL……I don’t see how you couldn’t be pissed.

 

[puckeater]

Larry Robinson 2.0 attributes. Let's see.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He said he's not big on putting numbers on players. "There's a powerplay defenseman--is he your #1? Or is somebody that's shutting the play down on one end and then launching the attack on the other end? So I think he has potential to log significant minutes for our team."

A few years ago you'd have two d on each power play unit. Now not so much. If Hutson reaches his potential, I'd much rather a super dynamic guy like him be the main pp dman than a Suter or Pietrangelo.

If Reinbacher becomes a guy who plays big minutes and tough minutes, tilting the ice in our favour, that's a tonne of value. And if he doesn't get 20+ free points on the powerplay, he probably won't get crazy contracts either. So you could be looking at a guy who makes a huge impact at a value price.

The spin room is alive and well, I see. Only on the Habs board would the argument be he hasnt produced and we can keep his contract low because of that.

If he had a ton of value he will get a big contract. We don’t need to invent reasons for the pick.

Not sure what people expect from a group who thinks answering questions about submarines and swimming teammates is some sort of revolutionary way to analyze talent. They think it makes them look interesting and smart, it makes them look dumb and clueless.

Most of them were probably thinking “are these guys ok?”

 

[sandviper]

It depends in what. I would agree on having a good stick, taking the right man, knowing where to position himself defensively, being responsible, getting out of defensive trouble. Guhle was a bigger hitter, and more offensively active.

Oh, not sure about being more offensively active. Guhle I will say brought the pain more but we have to keep in mind he was playing with peers and he had more offense because it is easier to score in juniors than in men’s leagues. In regards to hitting, that Guhle, the hitter, we haven’t seen yet in the NHL but I think it’ll come. I don’t think Reinbacher is as vicious but that’s ok.