Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Schooner Guy]

How is it not a good sign? It is a good sign.. Issuing a problem early stages before coming to the nhl?
it's not a huge issue at all.

Prediction for potential is just so blackscreen for each players that are drafted after 1-2 or 1-3 range as far as i'm concerned.

Many here don't understand that talent evaluators are looking at where these kids will be in 3-5 years rather than what they have done over the last 2-3 years. I have heard several analysts mention that Reinbacher is known amongst teams as being an extremely quick learner which has contributed to his meteoric rise this season to the point where he was a minutes eater and offensive contributor in a strong men's league. This ability to learn and process quickly is strongly correlated with future progress for these kids.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Given the situation though… if someone jumped ahead of for Reinbacher that would mean one of the top 4 guys would fall into our lap- likely Smith who all signs point to being the top target.

I'm willing to bet the Habs liked Reinbacher more than Smith. I know Smith and Hughes have strong history but Smith has a lot of warts that this regime seems to stay away from in players they draft/acquire.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I was a Price supporter, still think it was the pick to make but I remember at the time people were complaining that Kopitar + Quick was better.

Looking back, they were right. It has nothing to do with cherry-picking since right after the draft that is what some were complaining about.

It has everything to do with cherry picking.

Of course I’d take Kopitar AND Quick over Price. But Kopitar went 6 picks later and Quick went rounds later.

People talking like we “just should’ve done that” are hilariously cherry picking a goalie who went way down the road. And if we didn’t take Price we’d have taken Brule not Kopitar.

Some people need to stop cherry picking guys who we never would’ve drafted and saying “SEE!”

 

[26Mats]

Good grief.

yeah really

 

[Rapala]

Are you sure about this? I figured he meant a #2 D, hence talking about 2nd wave PP

There isn't anyone I know who considers a 2D anything but a top pairing Guy. Pietrangelo is not on PP1 and he is a 1D.

 

[Nedved]

As much as Reinbacher would not have been my choice, this behaviour is absolutely gross. This isn’t about a passionate fan base, this is about having common decency. How do we have so many freaking clowns in our fan base??? Really hope they all do what they say they’re gonna do and follow another team. Good riddance.


It’s true, Brule was the guy all Habs fan wanted… the supposed star with the French name. Price was a surprise pick and many flipped out. Worked out great though.

In some sports, like soccer, people have died over the game. I

As much as Reinbacher would not have been my choice, this behaviour is absolutely gross. This isn’t about a passionate fan base, this is about having common decency. How do we have so many freaking clowns in our fan base??? Really hope they all do what they say they’re gonna do and follow another team. Good riddance.


It’s true, Brule was the guy all Habs fan wanted… the supposed star with the French name. Price was a surprise pick and many flipped out. Worked out great though.

To be fair to Gainey, Habs went with who they had as BPA. We had Theodore and that's why everyone was pissed off around me. Not because Price wasn't going to be good. Just go BPA and if Reinbacher is your BPA, don't say after you draft him, you're filling buckets.

Not one person can convince me, after hughes interview, that he thought Reinbacher was the best on the draft board. it's mental gymnastics to think otherwise about the pick.

 

[Paddy17]

It's past venting at this point...

There are a lot of unstable people out there, and social media has weaponized them. People these days have abandoned reason and are all about emotion. It's what society and greedy corporations have taught them and are encouraging them.

Be in touch with your emotions.

Sure.

Monkeys.

 

[salbutera]

Ah, here's the playbook of trying to paint fans who dissent with the org as "toxic." There's always assholes on the internet. Don't let their PR gaslight you.

You have the right to be frustrated and to have an opinion. Obviously, just don't go after the kid.

Absolutely fans have the right to an opinion, when the opinion is pitchfork worthy just done expect players to want to come play in this market or ask why they don’t want to sign here / waive their NTCs, because players have options south of the border….

They can get paid equivalent or much higher, better weather and as Villardi said this week fans in large US markets show up to the games and allow a player total anonymity on the street.

 

[Rapala]

Knowing this fanbase, by next week a new thing will send everybody into hysterics all over again, then Reinbacher will look good at the rookie camp and everything will be forgotten. It's the way it always is. Habs fans are a volatile, reactionary bunch, but with the collective attention span of a 10 year old. Honestly, I'd tell the kid it's really not worth losing much sleep about. Just do your thing, everything will turn out just fine.

Not only that. The kid will get icetime in a preseason game at the Bell Center and the classy fans will give him a HUGE ovation HUGE.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Hughes could have done a better job preparing the fan base. Like after the Newhook trade, could have said that he’s the forward and that now they can take a Dmen.

Because clearly everyone had worked themselves into a Michkov frenzy.

They did.

How many times did Eric Engels, TVA/RDS, and Arpon Basu with The Athletic have to say

"Our sources in the organization indicate they are worried about another extension, the uncertainty, unable to see him live, can't develop him for 3 years, etc. etc. etc." for people to realize they weren't going there?

Every time something was brought up, that person had no sources, or it was a smokescreen.. so there was no amount of anything he could have done other than blow up his negotiating power by saying we are not taking Michkov no matter what.

 

[Maitz]

You would think so....

Komisarek was drafted 7th OA in the kovalchuck year, Right D

ESPN:

" Komisarek's offensive skills are undervalued because his defense and physical play are considered his biggest assets."
"That's the most surprising thing about him -- his hands are unbelievable for his size," Umberger said."
"Big, mean and skilled defensemen are like gold in the NHL. Sometimes, they can even be as appealing as an electrifying scorer."

Sure they're not exactly the same size but its incredible how we've walked this path before.

The difference now is that this year we actually had the opportunity to get high end forward...

Komisarek best scoring season was 19 points.... 19 POINTS... dude din't even crack 20 ...his whole season.... and he played with MARKOV!!!

At this point I think you have to sabotage yourself for not getting 20 pts playing with Markov

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Price took 6 years to reach his potential, Kopitar 1 year. Price had a team with Koivu, Kovalev and Markov, to name a few. He was partying with Grabovsky and the 2 Kost instead of being serious. Price became good in the after Koivu-Kovalev era. Price had to over-use the butterfly technique to be a top goalie, causing all kind of chronic injuries. Kopitar never had that kind of problem. Kopitar is a top class center with over 1000 pts career (1141 pts), two Stanley Cups and a proven 2 way center 200 feet like Bergeron. A center any team would dream to have. And Quick in his prime was equal to Price.

You are ignoring the teams they were on.

Quick was a great goalie but he was not Carey Price. And he played behind teams that Price could only dream of. Quick would’ve been nowhere near as good behind the clubs Price was on.

Boring picks are - boring. But they can sometimes be the right pick in the long run. Even if you want to argue Kopitar would have been better - and I strongly disagree- he went several picks later. Quick was a needle in the haystack pick and played behind the best team in the league.

At worst, we got the third best player in the draft (I’d say easily the 2nd best) and there’s simply NO WAY to call that a bad pick.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

They did.

How many times did Eric Engels, TVA/RDS, and Arpon Basu with The Athletic have to say

"Our sources in the organization indicate they are worried about another extension, the uncertainty, unable to see him live, can't develop him for 3 years, etc. etc. etc." for people to realize they weren't going there?

Every time something was brought up, that person had no sources, or it was a smokescreen.. so there was no amount of anything he could have done other than blow up his negotiating power by saying we are not taking Michkov no matter what.

Negotiating power for what? Clearly we werent trading down if the intel was Zona was going to take him.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I wasn't upset by the pick, as I was expecting either Leonard or Reinbacher to be the picks.

The thing you don't appreciate is them coming out saying "See this is why good players don't come here".

Which is absolute bollocks because :

A) You're taking something a minority of imbeciles did and generalizing the fan base.

B) Let's not act like players should've been fighting to play with a bunch of vanilla midgets and Max Pacioretty all these years. And when they did (Jagr), we wanted nothing to do with them. This is not on the fans.

C) The fact that the narrative is being shaped this way diffuses the legitimate critics with the toxic behavior in the end. Typical corporate tactics in 2023.

All the best to Reinbacher, we just drafted our best D.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Ideal path would have been to get that player through the draft but that didn’t happen.

The key now is to be mindful of the contracts signed (Caufield’s one is encouraging) and save enough cap space to sign a star UFA in his prime that wants to join a young contending core that is just missing 1-2 players.

Ex: convince Draisatl to sign here in 2 years (instead of giving that $ to Gally, Duffman, Armia and Anderson).

Truly elite players rarely become UFAs in their prime. And when they do, they usually go to places like New York. I don’t see it happening and it’s certainly not a viable long term strategy for getting an elite offensive player.

 

[pepperMonkey]

You‘re offering Cope arguments. The only comparable of fans being this pissed at a pick is passing on Savard.

Err...cope argument? Who's arguing? And Brule was the guy everyone was screaming for, except a rare few who wanted Kopitar.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

To make us feel better about missing out on Michkov,

Yakupov scored 18 pts in 22 khl games in his d+1
Tolvanen scored 36 pts in 49 khl games in his d+1

Yakupov is a bust and Tolvanen has been a big disappointment

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The meltdowns are childish, pointless and a display of poor coping skills. I'd hate to see how these volatile misfits handle real life adversity.

Meltdowns? Absolutely. But it’s more than okay to feel pissed off.

Hopefully we look back and laugh the way we do when we think of Brule now.

 

[NORiculous]

It has everything to do with cherry picking.

Of course I’d take Kopitar AND Quick over Price. But Kopitar went 6 picks later and Quick went rounds later.

People talking like we “just should’ve done that” are hilariously cherry picking a goalie who went way down the road. And if we didn’t take Price we’d have taken Brule not Kopitar.

Some people need to stop cherry picking guys who we never would’ve drafted and saying “SEE!”

The reason I brought it up is because there were a lot of people saying Kopitar Quick at the time, it musta coulpe of people here and there. Yes a lot wanted Brule too. All I said is the people who said Kopitar Quick were right. I don’t see that as cherry picking, it’s pointing out that they were right.

As for the Halak vs Price. I have always been on the Price side but I now think they it wasn’t as outrageous as I thought had the Habs kept Halak and traded Price for a top C. In this case, hindsight is 20/20 but it goes to show that these things are hard to predict and when good calls are made, I don’t mind saying they were right and I was wrong.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I'm super excited about the David Reinbacher pick. I think he has super high potential. I'm glad the Habs took him over Michkov, and I also would have taken him over Smith. Great pick - hopefully he keeps having positive progression and puts all this crazy fan stuff behind him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Negotiating power for what? Clearly we werent trading down if the intel was Zona was going to take him.

They were entertaining trade offers until right before they picked, they weren't going to come out and say they weren't taking a guy but it was as transparent as all hell they weren't taking Michkov.

 

[NORiculous]

To make us feel better about missing out on Michkov,

Yakupov scored 18 pts in 22 khl games in his d+1
Tolvanen scored 36 pts in 49 khl games in his d+1

Yakupov is a bust and Tolvanen has been a big disappointment

You are right on Yakupov although we now know why he went #1. I will give Tolvanen another year though, because his move to Sea seems good for him.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

In some sports, like soccer, people have died over the game. I


To be fair to Gainey, Habs went with who they had as BPA. We had Theodore and that's why everyone was pissed off around me. Not because Price wasn't going to be good. Just go BPA and if Reinbacher is your BPA, don't say after you draft him, you're filling buckets.

Not one person can convince me, after hughes interview, that he thought Reinbacher was the best on the draft board. it's mental gymnastics to think otherwise about the pick.

The bottom line was there was high certainty with Reinbacher and low certainty with Michkov.

Clearly certainty was important to them as it should be.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The reason I brought it up is because there were a lot of people saying Kopitar Quick at the time, it musta coulpe of people here and there. Yes a lot wanted Brule too. All I said is the people who said Kopitar Quick were right. I don’t see that as cherry picking, it’s pointing out that they were right.

Nobody said anything about Quick until years later when the Kings started winning games.

Kopitar? Sure there were some. But most wanted Brule.

Again, at worst we drafted a HOFer who was among the very best players in the league. And yet some people complain about the pick. It’s hilarious.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

They were entertaining trade offers until right before they picked, they weren't going to come out and say they weren't taking a guy but it was as transparent as all hell they weren't taking Michkov.

I mean either they were signaling they passing on Michkov or they weren’t. But come draft day, everything must have been pretty clear, even Briere said publicly their attempts to trade up failed. Reinbacher was clearly the target and was going to be the pick at 5. Might as well brace a fan base that had worked themselves into a frenzy for Michkov.