Prospect Info: David Reinbacher
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jrom
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He’s not talking about HF but people on social media. I saw some comments and wow, level of stupidity is only matched by their (over)confidence on being right.
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Habs Halifax
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It has loads of potential. And Matheson is still in that mix. Age 29 but his time might come to an end after the 3-5 year transition process from the younger ones.
Lafleurs Guy
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I’m sure we will. But are we going to have another shot at a truly elite forward? I don’t know.
You are the first person to say that overall he was the fifth best prospect in the draft, and that only Arizona passed on him.
Absolutely it was common knowledge that San José, Columbus and Anaheim had to decide on whether to pass on Michkov as he was being touted as "the equal talent-wise to Bedard, etc".
If you truly believe he was 5th best, it's no big deal for a team that is drafting fifth and knows he can't come over for 3 years, and may never come for all we know, to draft the 6th best player.
If you don't think Reinbacher is 6th best, then argue THAT point.
If you believe Michkov is second in talent but all the question marks drop him to precisely 5th, who says another reasonable person can't decide they drop him to 6th or lower?
So back to this 1D / 2D thing. In my view, a first pairing D can play 24-25+ minutes. It is not a REQUIREMENT they be the PP quarterback. If so, then Serge Savard, who was never a power play quarterback, would be disadvantaged in your draft ranking system.
If Reinbacher's potential is that of a first-pair D who can neutralize dangerous scoring chances, win pucks back from the attackers, transition the puck back up well equally with his feet or with a pass, kill penalties very well, and chip in offence with good legs and a great shot, then he is Roman Hamrlik++ and Hamrlik was a 1-OA.
Myself, I don't think Michkov will be the 110 point player some dream of, unless he cheats and cherry picks his way to that personal stat and gets lucky one year in four. NHL defences are too good against a guy without an extra gear and without the muscle to overcome determined defenders. I will be thrilled if Reinbacher is a great shutdown/possession D tilting the ice for 25 minutes per game as we compete for a cup, while allowing Hutson or Mailloux to shine on the PP -- even if Michkov makes the highlight reels from time to time. It's an opportunity cost I'm willing to pay given the flaws even YOU see that drop Michkov to 5th in your eyes.
I see a bit of Alex Galchenyuk in Michkov. Good dangler but not fast enough to beat NHL defenders, yet who racked up points at the Junior level. Not the highest compete level, not the top 2% in attitude. Better shot and release for sure, Caufield-like even, but Caufield, while great to have on your team, is not a "generational player who puts the whole team on his back". Even in a re-draft, Caufield may not get picked higher than Michkov was. It's close in my opinion.
Really, I'm ok with the Habs thought process. The player performances over the years will tell the tale.
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Defense wins championships.
Michkov is quickly becoming the most over hyped prospect on here.
Would I bet on him being a first line nhl star? Definitely
But him being this coming in scorching the earth at 120+ points right away is very premature.
Plus the whole Philly thing ( closed rink + multiple meetings) probably spooked other GMs
Kid seems like a douche lol. So maybe he forced himself on a perfect douchey dance partner in Philly
Michkov is quickly becoming the most over hyped prospect on here.
Would I bet on him being a first line nhl star? Definitely
But him being this coming in scorching the earth at 120+ points right away is very premature.
Plus the whole Philly thing ( closed rink + multiple meetings) probably spooked other GMs
Kid seems like a douche lol. So maybe he forced himself on a perfect douchey dance partner in Philly
This prospect, pegged as a truly elite forward, got 20 points in 30 KHL games as a rookie with lots of TOI and PP time.
Jesperi Kotkaniemi, seven months YOUNGER than Michkov, got 29 points in 57 games as a rookie in the Liiga with 11:30 of TOI per game and little PP time
Alex Galchenyuk, nine months older than Michkov but having missed one full year of development, got 27 points in 48 games in the NHL with 12:19 TOI per game.
The NHL is often not kind to talented players without an extra gear to beat the best defenders in the world with, and maybe also without the inner hunger to compete and drive 24/7. And to top it off, Michkov is way smaller than those two talented players drafted at 3-OA.
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Fans might not get it because it's an entertainment business, after all.. but GMs, Coaches, Teams, Players, all dream to have what Reinbacher can bring.
Size? check.
Skating? check.
Smarts? check.
No panic? check.
Defense? check.
Great shot? check.
Puck mover? check.
Jumps into rushes? check.
Good stick? check.
I don't think people are quantifying his draft year.
Size? check.
Skating? check.
Smarts? check.
No panic? check.
Defense? check.
Great shot? check.
Puck mover? check.
Jumps into rushes? check.
Good stick? check.
I don't think people are quantifying his draft year.
- A draft eligible DEFENSEMAN in one of the best PRO LEAGUES in the world became a GO-TO DEFENSEMAN and ran with it.
- He had the 2nd best PPG for a draft eligible in that pro league EVER behind Auston Matthews
- He went to the World Championships on a weak team and was their best defenseman prior to an injury.
- He did this without any hype, any portfolio following him, it was all merited by his play.
Habs Halifax
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If not, Keep the cap space open and there will be a key UFA or someone who is on the trade block. We are still in rebuild/transition for 3-5 years so there is time to do this in a patient way.
Agreed. Michkov could burn us by being a 100 pts forward but will he be a playoff performer driving offense? We will see. Usually, guys like his size are perimeter players.
The most important thing right now is Reinbacher turning into a top paring quality who is effective at both ends.
Something that will be talked about for years to come.
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Totally silly to argue this. Quick is a cherry-pick from rounds later. It’s like blaming the team for not drafting Hasek or Lidstrom. Several players went ahead of these guys.
And sorry but Price at his peak was considered a top five player in the league. If he doesn’t get hurt in 2015-16 he’d have back to back Hart trophies. Kopitar is a great player but at no point was he ever that good. We drafted the right guy.
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Fans are just flat out starved for a scoring star and we passed on a guy with that potential. The frustration is completely understandable. But yeah, RB could easily turn out to be the right choice.
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I was a Price supporter, still think it was the pick to make but I remember at the time people were complaining that Kopitar + Quick was better.
Looking back, they were right. It has nothing to do with cherry-picking since right after the draft that is what some were complaining about.
He said he's not big on putting numbers on players. "There's a powerplay defenseman--is he your #1? Or is somebody that's shutting the play down on one end and then launching the attack on the other end? So I think he has potential to log significant minutes for our team."
A few years ago you'd have two d on each power play unit. Now not so much. If Hutson reaches his potential, I'd much rather a super dynamic guy like him be the main pp dman than a Suter or Pietrangelo.
If Reinbacher becomes a guy who plays big minutes and tough minutes, tilting the ice in our favour, that's a tonne of value. And if he doesn't get 20+ free points on the powerplay, he probably won't get crazy contracts either. So you could be looking at a guy who makes a huge impact at a value price.
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There were people who started fire Hughes threads solely because of the pick - insisting Habs picked an inferior player - that Reinbacher was not BPA very extremely and that it was a historically bad pick. Imagine being an 18 year old reading that kind of nonsense. You probably missed it all, but people just need to calm down and root for the guy the Habs picked and put away the tar and feathers.
I think it also should be noted that the NL is on the upswing among the best leagues in Europe, it's more international and projects closer to what we are used to too. It historically hasn't been a very good league for development, but Reinbacher already putting up points at his age should suggest the idea that he has a low offensive ceiling just isn't true, even if he lacks the elite skills you want from a PP QB type.
Do I think the Habs psyched themselves out of a potential franchise changing talent? For sure, but if our scouts and management did not believe in Mitchkov (time will tell if they know what they are doing), they likely did go for what they viewed as the best player available.
Harry Kakalovich
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Well, a lot of people wanted Brule or Kopitar. So it is sort of is cherry picking, because Brule would have been a terrible pick.
Habs Halifax
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Looking back is the problem. Hindsight evaluation knowing what you know today creates confusion. It's like saying we should have kept Halak and traded Price because we would have gotten a star center in return for Price.
NORiculous
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Looking back is a way to learn and try to not reproduce mistakes. What you know today and what you knew at the time, to find ways to get better. That’s all it is. It’s a normal process. Post Mortem.
Good to see Habs fans embarrassing themselves again sending threats and hate messages to an 18 year old...
f***ing idiots.
I'll never understand it.
f***ing idiots.
I'll never understand it.
Catanddogguitarrr
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Price took 6 years to reach his potential, Kopitar 1 year. Price had a team with Koivu, Kovalev and Markov, to name a few. He was partying with Grabovsky and the 2 Kost instead of being serious. Price became good in the after Koivu-Kovalev era. Price had to over-use the butterfly technique to be a top goalie, causing all kind of chronic injuries. Kopitar never had that kind of problem. Kopitar is an top class center with over 1000 pts career (1141 pts), two Stanley Cups and a proven 2 way center 200 feet like Bergeron. A center any team would dream to have. And Quick in his prime was equal to Price.
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jrom
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Ideal path would have been to get that player through the draft but that didn’t happen.
The key now is to be mindful of the contracts signed (Caufield’s one is encouraging) and save enough cap space to sign a star UFA in his prime that wants to join a young contending core that is just missing 1-2 players.
Ex: convince Draisatl to sign here in 2 years (instead of giving that $ to Gally, Duffman, Armia and Anderson).
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And we wonder why players would rather sign in LA than MTL.Good to see Habs fans embarrassing themselves again sending threats and hate messages to an 18 year old...
f***ing idiots.
I'll never understand it.
SlafySZN
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I think they will.
We’ll have to see how it goes next season but no doubt in my mind that even if we have many good pieces it’s still early and they won’t win a lot.
As fellow German speakers who live
right next door, hopefully Draisatl and Reinbacher become acquainted and training partners. Then Reinbacher can start recruiting. It's all part of the plan!
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