Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Jabba11]

Here are my thoughts, it's in French because that's why I wrote to my friends in our group chat and I'm too lazy to translate:


2022: Simon Nemec parti 2e avant Cooley, Wright, Gauthier et Jiricek 6e

2021: Owen Powers parti avant Matthew Beniers et McTavish, Luke Hughes et Simon Edvinsson partis 4e et 6e

2020: Jake Sanderson et Jamie Drysdale partis 5e et 6e avant Holtz, Rossi, Perfetti. (Laffy, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond partis avant)

2019: Bowen Byram(4) et Moritz Seider (6) partis avant Turcotte, Cozens, Zegras, Podkolzin, Caufield, Boldy. J. Hughes, Kakko, Dach partis avant.

2018: Dahlin 1st (duh), Hughes 7e quand KK, Tkachuk, Hayton, Zadina partis avant.

2017: Heiskanen (3) et Makar (4) par dessus Pettersson, Glass, Lias Andersson, Mittelstatd, et avec Hischier et Patrick 1 et 2.

Mon point cest qu’un defenseur pris ds le top 6-7 depuis les 5 dernieres annees ont tous etes des joueurs d’impact ou prometteurs dans la LNH ou la AHL a leur saison D+1. Owen Power a ete nomine pr le Calder malgre un debut lent.

Moritz Seider est une force. De ce groupe, Je crois qu’apres Dahlin, Seider est le defenseur avec le plus d'impact et le plus de potentiel. Et ce, etant un 6e au total. Choix completement surprise mais justifiee. Ajd, on peut bien se dire quon prendrait tous Seider avant Kakko, Dach, Turcotte et meme Byram.

Jake Sanderson est un choix plate au 5e rang mais il a connu une bonne saison recrue avec les Senateurs avec 32 pts et en jouant bcp de minutes. Sanderson semble etre un meilleur joueur que Laffy, Byfield, et peut etre son impact va etre meilleur que Raymond.

En 2017, on sentend que Makar serait 1er au total dans un redraft et Heiskanen tjrs top 3. Jason Robertson top 3 peut etre et Pettersson. Les deux defenseurs sont plus dominants que Hischier et Patrick.

Owen Power a encore bcp de temps mais Luke Hughes et Edvinsson ont des chances de devenir meilleurs qu’un entre Beniers et McTavish. Cest encore tot.

Simon Nemec et David Jiricek ont connus dexcellents saisons D+1 en AHL et semblent tous les deux se projeter en deux defenseurs top 2 tres fiables et bons pour leurs equipes. Logan Cooley a encore a nous prouver ds une ligue professionelle mais ajd, je suis confiant de dire que la progression de Nemec et Jiricek sont en avance sur Shane Wright.

David Reinbacher est parti 5e et Dmitriy Simashev 6e. Il y a des fortes chances que Reinbacher puisse se developper en un joueur avec plus dimpact ds la NHL qu’un des 4 attaquants pris devant lui. De ce que je sache, Michkov aurait ete mon choix de preference au 5e rang, mais il doit se prouver ds la NHL avant quon puisse dire quil a plus d'impact que Reinbacher. Ca va prendre au moins un 5-8 ans avant de savoir. Moi je crois que Reinbacher, avec son gabarit, son patin, agilite, sens du hockey, son gap control, son flair offensif tous combines, ca nous donne une tres bonne chance davoir un joueur d’impact a sa position et devenir un des meilleurs joueurs de son draft class. Il faut etre patient, mais juste a comparer les 5 derniers drafts, Reinbacher pris 5e au total ne semble pas un reach du tout a la KK, cest juste quil a ete pris par dessus un joueur qui semble avoir un potentiel de superstar. Mais ca veut pas dire que Michkov naura pas ses obstacles pour devenir un elite ds la NHL

 

[NicRattlehead]

I was depressed yesterday but a future defense of
Ghule-Mailloux
Hutson-Reinbacher
Xhekaj-Barron

It looks pretty good doesn’t it

If Reinbacher isn’t our top defenseman as the 5th overall pick I think it’s a failure. Especially if Mitchkov, Leonard, and/or Benson become superstars.

When you draft a guy at 5th overall and he’s not one of the best players on your team (after an adequate amount of time) it’s a failure in my opinion.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

Even if Hughes believes Reinbacher has 1D potential, he isn't going to come out and say it. That would be putting way too much pressure and expectations on the kids shoulder.

Can't believe you guys criticize the pick because "Hughes said he's a number 2-2 at best so low ceiling!!!". If you go watch his games in NL and come to this conclusion I can respect it even if I don't agree with it but using Hughes' words as he is trying to manage expectations is beyond silly.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Sign somewhere else if I’m a player. Not surprising they don’t come here when available. You mean I pay higher taxes, I have to deal with winter and as soon as I have a bad game my family is going to get harassed online? f*** that.

This is today's reality. Hockey players in Mtl franchise get their relatives harassed on social medias every game some fans didn't like. It's happening for real. In Montreal, in other markets too but not everywhere.

 

[River Meadow]

This is today's reality. Hockey players in Mtl franchise get their relatives harassed on social medias every game some fans didn't like. It's happening for real. In Montreal, in other markets too but not everywhere.

On the flipside...

If you're a good player, you're treated like a literal god, if you're into that sorta thing.

Kovalev sure was.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Even if Hughes believes Reinbacher has 1D potential, he isn't going to come out and say it. That would be putting way too much pressure and expectations on the kids shoulder.

Can't believe you guys criticize the pick because "Hughes said he's a number 2-2 at best so low ceiling!!!". If you go watch his games in NL and come to this conclusion I can respect it even if I don't agree with it but using Hughes' words as he is trying to manage expectations is beyond silly.

Fair point.

 

[PlainGretzky]

What’s insane about this is habs fans haven’t even watched European hockey lmao, the kid is a stud but habs fans are too arrogant.
He’s going to be the perfect D partner for Hutson, not only that is we have so much depth on wing… tank next year and get celebrini or the next and get misa? Y’all got to realize we have a long time to become competitive again. We have a nice group of young forwards and defence, we have Adam Nicholas who’s amazing at helping develop our players, MSL is a great developmental coach as well, look what he’s done with dach and caufield? Guhle? Come on guys, Reinbacher is a stud and he’s going to make all of you eat crows.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I would pick BPA. I wouldn't care about next year. Charlie Stramel was pencilled to go top 10 at the same time last year. Same with Cam Allen. I don't care about next year.

But by going Reinbacher talking about RHD, by taking 3 goalies, by talking about buckets emptying so that they HAD to draft particular players, it's CLEAR that they pick by needs. They just do. Whether you think that needs for them means BPA...whatever. That's not what the original definition should be.

So my point was just to say that...if a team draft by needs...I guess they should be consequent and see what's coming so that when it will be time to pick by needs next year, they have an idea to what needs they'll be able to answer to....

The needs change every year. The time to developp for your need, a player from another team can be available and have his shot, who knows. Bpa is what they did for this 5th ov. I think later rounds they went for needs, like goalie, I mean later rounds is a good place to draft 3 guys the same position, if one pans out, it's a win.

 

[FF de Mars]

I have this crazy thought: Wouldn't it be better if he stayed in Switzerland, because stress could hamper his physical growth. I mean he could litteraly lose inches of growth because of stress, couldn't he? Or am I just way off?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

On the flipside...

If you're a good player, you're treated like a literal god, if you're into that sorta thing.

Kovalev sure was.

The sweetness of the flipside you describe doesn't erase the offence of the bad side.
Bad side that just shouldn't exist to start with.

 

[River Meadow]

The sweetness of the flipside you describe doesn't erase the offence of the bad side.
Bad side that just shouldn't exist to start with.

In a perfect world, yes.

But it's Yin and Yang.

Everything has to have a balance.

 

[Nedved]

I really like Reinbacher, but I'm curious how his game will translate to a smaller ice surface. How fast he can process the play in his own end because it's harder to create space as a d in the nhl. It's what separates the top 15 dman and the rest of the guys. I hope he ends up a top 10 dman for a chunk of his career, and this pick is a win. I think he'll look good with Guhle beside him, it might get Guhle to slow down, and not try to carry his pairing. Reinbacher is probably starting at some point next season if he comes over, but I do like his commitment to education, so I hope the habs prioritize that for him.

This was a high risk pick. I feel like Hughes already deflected blame about saying his scouts wanted him, and he trusted them. If Michkov becomes even a regular 30 goal scorer, Reinbacher needs to be a top pairing d or they'll (scouts) will lose their job. The safe option was to trade back and go with Leonard and try to accumulate a couple picks/prospects. It would be easier to digest if it doesn't work out.

If we draft BPA, and it's a defenseman, next year, I'll be super happy about that. I think we need puck moving dman that log big minutes to compete, it's important. It's just difficult when you see Michkov sitting on the board. The stats he put up are not by chance, he's the real deal, he probably has a better chance of being a superstar than carlsson or fantilli, just higher risk.

Good luck Reinbacher!! You're off to a great start in my eyes, stating you want to finish your education.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

In a perfect world, yes.

But it's Yin and Yang.

Everything has to have a balance.

In this case, no. I disagree.
We don't try enough to be in perfect world and that restrain us, that brings toxicity and under performing cuz of the bad vibes.
You want to participate in the sabotage of your team?
You want me to agree with that?

 

[NORiculous]

What if Michkov's a head case?

He isn’t.

There have been reports.

There was one report by Nicolishin. A bunch of people used his report but I haven’t seen anyone else corroborate it.

Who is criticizing Reinbacher here though? I haven't seen many toxic posts like that. Most people, even hardcore Michkov fans, seem to agree he'll be a good one.

No one really.

He is just a guy that got picked instead of the better talent in a city that hasn’t had talent like Michkov in over 30 + years.

Pressure is doubled though.

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Lapointe, at minimum, has to go.

The scouting staff picked Reinbacher because he is a “safer” pick (that comes with lower ceiling) because Slafkovsky had a bad year and they were scared to have two top pick in a row bust. That’s the only way you can explain the unanimous votes.

Seriously? No one for Leonard, no one for Michkov, no one for Dvorsky? No one for Benson? No one for Sandin-Pellika? No one to trade down and get assets? If that is true, something is BS.

A team of yes-men is complete BS. No wonder they draft the way they have drafted for years. Lapointe should be fired immediately.

 

[FLHabs]

No superstars this year. Okay.

Last year? Mackinnon, Makkar
Tampa x2 Loaded with stars
Blues: None
Washington Ovy
Pensx2 Three superstars
Chicago & LA two cups each: multi superstars
Etc…

Superstars are a key ingredient in most cup winners. There’s never been a multi cup winner without one. If you’re trying to win a cup without one you’re making it very hard on yourself.

I think my post was guided more towards players that had multiple 100+ points seasons seeing that's what people say Michkov will become, but you're right having at least 1 superstar increases your odds by a lot.

My thing is though, why do people act like Caufield and Suzuki don't exist? Again, I might be too optimistic, but I think both Suzuki and Caufield have 80+ point potential with 50+ goals for Caufield. Add in the continuing development of Dach and Slaf and if it goes well, that's 2 excellent secondary scoring options. Kent Hughes believes Newhook can have success under MSL, I'm willing to wait and see, but that would be another great piece for the top 6 if it works out.

Compliment the top 6 with a solid bottom 6 and add in what looks like can become a stud modern NHL defense. All that's missing is a goalie and this team will become very competitive. League parity will take care of the rest hehe.

 

[OnTheRun]

I admire your confidence in thinking you know everything, it's cute.

The fact of the matter is, there are plenty of stories of people (anyone, actors, athletes, etc, etc) who have it bad, very bad,, and because they've had it so bad, used that as fuel to catapult themselves to greatness.

Yes, it's an actual thing, and yes, it's more prevalent then perhaps you seem to know. I'm not saying this is a POSITIVE but it's a THING that could be possible from this situation.

No shit, you know what else could be possible from this situation right?

I'm sure the guy is now pumped to prove himself, thanks to the fans who decided to shat on him 5 minutes after he got drafted because he dared getting picked by the Habs instead of that other guy. Meanwhile the Habs brass are kicking around the idea of sending him in exile for a year so thing can cooldown. Disney will have a field trip when they make his biopic.

 

[River Meadow]

No shit, you know what else could be possible from this situation right?

I'm sure the guy is now pumped to prove himself, thanks to the fans who decided to shat on him 5 minutes after he got drafted because he dared getting picked by the Habs instead of that other guy. Meanwhile the Habs brass a kicking around the idea of sending him in exile for a year so thing can cooldown. Disney will have a field trip when they make his biopic.

I think it's an overreaction on Habs brass part to even talk like this right now.

People are hot right now, because they expected a forward for 10 months, and got a D-Man.

It's already cooling down 1 day later.

Come the dev camp, people will be all heart-eyes-emoji and going gaga over him.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

No I don't think so. They are really small and it doesn't go far in PO. CC and nobody else of that size. CC is already an nhl player and he does fine. If we do 2 small players on our top 6, we'll be a small team that get pushed in PO. There are so many tall and fast skaters today in nhl. That's what we must find and developp, skilled fast tall players around 195-225 lbs.

Patrick Kane did fine. So did CC as a raw rookie. There’s no reason to think it wouldn’t work.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

2nd wave likely. I think he wouldn’t kill you if he manned a 1st wave but I don’t think the creativity is there. But because he has a good shot that option would likely open up some good passing lanes.

oh shit. Right on. Did you have the same handle? I think I remember it. My memory is garbage. So you know my sordid past! haha.

I actually am. I’ve watched since 88-89 and all I have is Kovalev in 07-08. A slums and Richer were great but not quite. A couple others . It’s actually insane.

You can check my old posts. I’ve been pumping Reinbacher’s tires for a couple months at least. I just have a real good feeling about that type of D man.

I have zero problem with people being pissed about missing out on Michkov. Even though I wasn’t completely sold. And tbh even I was hoping for Michkov and a bit underwhelmed by the pick initially . I started feeling the hype train.

But I’m not having any talk of Reinbacher being a bum lol. If he had even an ounce more flash people would be super pumped. I’m not completely sold on the forwards in this draft. I could be wrong.

I’m certainly not convinced Jiricek and Michkov are like orders of magnitude better than Slaf and Reinbacher.

Am I 100% Rein backer is a #1? No.
Does he have that upside? Absolutely.

I can’t see him being less than a no.3. That’s a crazy high floor.

He’s got crazy analytics and the guy actually produced points. Plus he kills the eye test. Even if you think analytics are complete garbage, he still passes the other 2 tests with flying colours.

I think it’s a fantastic pick. Him and Guhle back there just reeks of playoff success. We’re gonna love what Reinbacher does for our transition game

I was Dark Offspring on there. Beating the drum of how Gauthier and Bergevin sucked while everyone was trying to defend them

re: Reinbacher I really feel the offensive tools and IQ are lacking for him to be a Stanley Cup contending #1. He could be a 2 or a 3 for sure, but I also think his floor is lower than you do. Darnell Nurse, who had almost the same draft profile (rather eerily) when the Oilers got him, is absolutely horrible. Ok, maybe not horrible, but mediocre at best. I don't think that'll happen to Reinbacher because he's smarter defensively, but there's always a chance someone's floor is lower than you think.

Conversely, I don't think his ceiling is Hedman, Pietrangelo, Josi, Pronger, or any of the other crazy stuff people are saying.

I'm just really tired of the organizational philosophy of this team being KaRaKteR and defense over talent. It's exhausting. Listen to Bobrov today. in between his mealy-mouthed analogies and metaphors, it was a Karakter Splooge-fest.

I'd want, just once, for us to not be allergic to talent and not "score by committee." That would be lovely.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This is fair. The point I'm trying to make is that it's silly for posters to be having childish meltdowns over the pick when they don't know any of these details and don't know the player. I know you're not one of them.

I had my own favourites for this draft but I'm not ignorant enough to think I have better insight than Bobrov and Habs hockey ops....especially on a player Bobrov's dad knows very well.

I don’t blame them for being upset. We’ve needed an elite offensive player for decades and had a shot at one - and passed.

That’s not to say it wasn’t the right decision. Nobody knows that right now and we’ll have to wait and see.

But for now, some people want to vent and it’s understandable.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The same thing happened here when we picked Price over Brule. Price then had to go through it all again when we traded Halak and kept Price. I just wish people would learn their lesson and not be so emotional.

I think RB will prove to be solid. If all goes well, he and Hutson will be amazing together. The more I read on him the more I like.

But it’s not really him that’s a t issue. It’s what we gave up. And we probably won’t know this for a few years.

 

[Andrei79]

I said it previously, but it's not his fault he was picked over Michkov.

He's going through what Price did in 2005, when people lost their minds over that pick and ended up being dead wrong about it.

I mentioned it earlier, but he's a very good player. The IQ is there, the size, the skating (both parallel and straight ahead) and the compete. He can play the PP, but he'll need guidance from the development staff in that regard. He's got the progression you're looking for, while playing the second most valuable position in hockey.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Patrick Kane did fine. So did CC as a raw rookie. There’s no reason to think it wouldn’t work.

One line but not all the lines. Having a smurf every line, no thanks.
One very good small player on the top 6 is okay but I don't want more than that.
Caufield is already taking that spot, he's fine and I love him..

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I was Dark Offspring on there. Beating the drum of how Gauthier and Bergevin sucked while everyone was trying to defend them

re: Reinbacher I really feel the offensive tools and IQ are lacking for him to be a Stanley Cup contending #1. He could be a 2 or a 3 for sure, but I also think his floor is lower than you do. Darnell Nurse, who had almost the same draft profile (rather eerily) when the Oilers got him, is absolutely horrible. Ok, maybe not horrible, but mediocre at best. I don't think that'll happen to Reinbacher because he's smarter defensively, but there's always a chance someone's floor is lower than you think.

Conversely, I don't think his ceiling is Hedman, Pietrangelo, Josi, Pronger, or any of the other crazy stuff people are saying.

I'm just really tired of the organizational philosophy of this team being KaRaKteR and defense over talent. It's exhausting. Listen to Bobrov today. in between his mealy-mouthed analogies and metaphors, it was a Karakter Splooge-fest.

I'd want, just once, for us to not be allergic to talent and not "score by committee." That would be lovely.

I think RB and Hutson will help each other’s development. Hutson has the creativity to help RB develop his offensive game and RB can help shore up Hutson’s D.

If Mich wasn’t involved in this equation I’d say I’m pretty happy that out D seems to be set for years to come. That’s something to be happy about at least.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

One line but not all the lines. Having a smurf every line, no thanks.
One very good small player on the top 6 is okay but I don't want more than that.
Caufield is already taking that spot, he's fine and I love him..

Not all smurfs are equal. CC is a pure goal scorer. His whole life people have said he’s too small and he’s consistently proved them wrong. I see zero reason why we would let size concerns get in the way of elite talent. Play the. In separate lines - problem solved - and teams would have a hard time defending two lines instead of one. Imagine two potential 50 goal scorers in the lineup…