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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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Lafleurs Guy said:
Okay, you explain it. Why wasn’t he drafted 2nd? He clearly had the 2nd highest ceiling. Explain why he went so low. Explain why he was the SECOND Russian taken in that draft?

Players are evaluated on two criteria. Ceiling and risk. Being able to figure out how likely a player is to realize his potential is the secret sauce of drafting. Lots of factors go into this. Maybe they didn’t like his work ethic or his ego. Maybe they felt he regressed this year… all of that would make him a risky pick.

We don’t have access to the info they do. So I have no idea why they didn’t take him. Personally, I’d have taken the risk - based on what I know. If I knew more, maybe I’d pass.

We will have to wait and see how it shakes out. But I think it’s pretty clear that they passed on the guy with the higher ceiling because they didn’t feel he was worth the risk. RD on the other hand appears to be a safer pick.

And sidenote: YES development matters. Guy Lafleur himself has talked about this. A player needs opportunities to build confidence. Confidence yields results. That’s how you devielop as a player. You only have to look at Doug Wickenheiser to see what bad development yields.
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I don't know what to respond to this. Why did 4 teams passed on Jagr in 1990? Scared of him not coming over. Scared of PR issues. Tunnel-vision drafting by needs. Who knows.

As for Lafleur, sure, but he too got very little opportunities in the first three years of his career, so how does that differ from Michkov? Lafleur complained non-stop about his icetime and lack of PP opportunities from 72'-74'. Can you imagine Guy Lafleur 72'-74' in Hfboards era, after all the hype he had?
 
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BenchBrawl said:
Let's face it, what you say may be all true but it's still cope and rationalizations for what is a most likely a decision made out of corporate cowardice.

I'm not scared of looking at the truth in the eyes, however ugly it is.
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Like I said I agree with your takes on michkov and wish they took him but I also said I'd rather have Carlsson. I'm actually high on Reinbacher, I have him 6/7. I think he'll be a legit top pairing D with Guhle and be a nightmare for this league. I'm happy Habs got a top pairing D cause I've said numerous times in the past that I don't see a way Habs can get a top pair RD without drafting or trading an arm and a leg for one. (besides ufa). I've been on the Sorokin bandwagon for a while so I'm still holding out hope they sign him and run a great D core in front of him.
 
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Do I know the cowardly loser Habs org, or do I know the cowardly loser Habs org?
 
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Cubebrick said:
At the same time, it's totally fine to disagree. I mean, I'm sure some here hold him in higher regard and see him differently. That's the beauty of scouting, you get different perspectives on a player.
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I would have dug a bit deeper to get a better picture but since the habs are only drafting in the 3rd round now i don't see the point.

i appreciate you sharing your thoughts and knowledge though it was insightful :thumbu:
 
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ottawa said:
Just because Arizona draft like idiots (as evidenced by their pick) doesn't mean we have to as well...top 5 you go BPA every time, you don't draft for need. You let the Arizona's of this league do that.
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The point is Reinbacher was Montreal's guy and they weren't trading down and risk losing him.
 
BenchBrawl said:
I don't know what to respond to this. Why did 4 teams passed on Jagr in 1990? Scared of him not coming over. Scared of PR issues. Tunnel-vision drafting by needs. Who knows.
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Jagr played with Lemieux from age 18 on. This guy has three more years in Russia…

Again, you could be totally right and we made a huge mistake. But the fact is that you and I don’t know what the team knows. There may be more going on.

I don’t see why else he fell so far.

Remember Wright from last year? The immature sneer? Kind of incapsulated why they may not have taken him. Maybe it’s something similar here.
BenchBrawl said:
As for Lafleur, sure, but he too got very little opportunities in the first three years of his career, so how does that differ from Michkov? Lafleur complained non-stop about his icetime and lack of PP opportunities from 72'-74'. Can you imagine Guy Lafleur 72'-74' in Hfboards era, after all the hype he had?
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And he talked about this. Eventually got his ice time. And Bowman made allowances for him to and exempted him from the systems. But the Habs had control over that.

And btw, development also happens off the ice. If the Russian team knows he’s not sticking around they may not care if he spends his nights in bars or whatever… all of this is taken into account.For whatever reason, a lot of teams got spooked.

Again for the record, I’d have drafted him based on what we know. But I’m going to wait and see on this. Maybe there’s more to the story. This is going to take years to play out.
 
I read somewhere that Reinbacher will stay for another year, can someone confirm? I personally prefer having top 10 drafted euro guys come to the AHL.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
Jagr played with Lemieux from age 18 on. This guy has three more years in Russia…

Again, you could be totally right and we made a huge mistake. But the fact is that you and I don’t know what the team knows. There may be more going on.

I don’t see why else he fell so far.

Remember Wright from last year? The immature sneer? Kind of incapsulated why they may not have taken him. Maybe it’s something similar here.

And he talked about this. Eventually got his ice time. And Bowman made allowances for him to and exempted him from the systems. But the Habs had control over that.

And btw, development also happens off the ice. If the Russian team knows he’s not sticking around they may not care if he spends his nights in bars or whatever… all of this is taken into account.For whatever reason, a lot of teams got spooked.

Again for the record, I’d have drafted him based on what we know. But I’m going to wait and see on this. Maybe there’s more to the story. This is going to take years to play out.
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I don't know what to respond. My gut tells me they just passed on Guy Lafleur to pick Guy Lapointe. Of course I can't prove it, only time will tell. But that's a hard pill to swallow. Especially after the last 30 years.

Usually, I can side with nuance and patience. Like with the Slaf pick. But this feels like make-or-break. The stakes were higher tonight, and they disappointed big time.
 
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Same, David.

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Belial said:
I think he said he would like to finish school or something but if the Habs decide he plays in the AHL next season, he'll play in the AHL.
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I think he goes back to switzerland for at least a year and it would be a great thing.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
I don't know what to respond. My gut tells me they just passed on Guy Lafleur to pick Guy Lapointe. Of course I can't prove it, only time will tell. But that's a hard pill to swallow. Especially after the last 30 years.
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We will see. I’d have drafted Mich. I think we made a mistake.

But before I go calling Hughes an idiot, I’ll see how it shakes out. I don’t know why he did what he did. But a lot of teams passed on him….
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
We will see. I’d have drafted Mich. I think we made a mistake.

But before I go calling Hughes an idiot, I’ll see how it shakes out. I don’t know why he did what he did. But a lot of teams passed on him….
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I mean, I didn't call Hughes an idiot last year when he picked Slaf, even though I wanted Wright. I was even ready to forgive him, if down the road he made the wrong choice. Because it was a tough choice for real. Wright had a pretty bad season.

But tonight? If they chose wrong, this is unforgivable. They don't have a mulligan on that one.
 
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The Great Weal said:
I read somewhere that Reinbacher will stay for another year, can someone confirm? I personally prefer having top 10 drafted euro guys come to the AHL.
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In his first interview right after being drafted he said he wanted to finish school, then in his 2nd interview with the TVAS panel he said he would play wherever the Habs want him to play next year.
 
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The Great Weal said:
Habs will rush him to play in the NHL, it's what we do baby :cool:
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His teammate said he thinks he was ready to take the next step as he was apparently learning everything so fast...

After listening to that interview I wouldn't be surprised if they target players that show big capabilities of learning stuff.
 
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Anywhere but the NHL next year. AHL is fine, but I would ideally like him to go to the SHL. NL is also fine, let him build on a fantastic D year season.
 
BenchBrawl said:
I mean, I didn't call Hughes an idiot last year when he picked Slaf, even though I wanted Wright. I was even ready to forgive him, if down the road he made the wrong choice. Because it was a tough choice for real. Wright had a pretty bad season.

But tonight? If they chose wrong, this is unforgivable. They don't have a mulligan on that one.
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But you don't know yet if they choose wrong so take a breather and relax FFS!
 
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