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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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Lafleurs Guy said:
So… Hedman lite?
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I'm horrible with player comparisons outside of the Habs org tbh. I don't think that's a bad comp though stylisitically. Hedman was seen as quite the phenom at the draft where many thought he should've gone ahead of Tavares(?) but yeah not as dynamic but similar style from what I know.

A couple months or so ago, I did quick and dirty looks on the 'big 5' (except Bedard cuz I didn't have the heart to know what I was missing) and besides Carlsson they all seemed so bloody question mark-y to me tbh. I'm pretty biased towards getting a flashy forward so I often don't look at D men. I figured I'd look at Reinbacher and I just couldn't help but like so much of his game. He just does a lot of things right that will make a team better. Again, people are allergic to 'safe' but when you see a guy who you just can't imagine him not being a top 4, that's hard to ignore.

I really tried to acknowledge my needs bias (I do kind of have it) and re-watch him and I did see some things here and there but they were just so minor. And I really think there's untapped offensive potential but again, he had Josi like numbers so it's not like some kind of big gamble-y question mark. He produced. He just does it in a kind of vanilla-ish way but in a way you just can't help but see translating to the bigs. Smart solid passing and a damn good/if not quite elite shot.

If people want to be pissed because they're wholly convinced Michkov is a can't miss stud, that's completely fine to me. But for people who think we just got a bum with limited upside, I think they're going to be proven wrong almost 100%. He just ticks way too many boxes.
 
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Honestly I needed a whole evening/night to chill out, and that interview with Faillé really reassured me. I haven't had time to look at prospects as much as I hoped this year because of school so I mostly watched highlights and progression curves and read reports and shit.
His stats are very impressive, and I've stated on here previously :

NLA is a strong league, better than Liiga imo. Now imagine if we got a mobile 6'2 center with this statline on a meh team in Liiga. We'd be creaming our pants. But he's a defenseman, and then you add the skating, the transition game, the maturity and the amazing defense and it starts to get very exciting.

Hughes stated their 3 main criterias were character (yup), compete and hockey sense. Well, the interview seems to have gone really well, and the last two are some of DR's strong qualities.
 
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dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
I'm horrible with player comparisons outside of the Habs org tbh. I don't think that's a bad comp though stylisitically. Hedman was seen as quite the phenom at the draft where many thought he should've gone ahead of Tavares(?) but yeah not as dynamic but similar style from what I know.

A couple months or so ago, I did quick and dirty looks on the 'big 5' (except Bedard cuz I didn't have the heart to know what I was missing) and besides Carlsson they all seemed so bloody question mark-y to me tbh. I'm pretty biased towards getting a flashy forward so I often don't look at D men. I figured I'd look at Reinbacher and I just couldn't help but like so much of his game. He just does a lot of things right that will make a team better. Again, people are allergic to 'safe' but when you see a guy who you just can't imagine him not being a top 4, that's hard to ignore.

I really tried to acknowledge my needs bias (I do kind of have it) and re-watch him and I did see some things here and there but they were just so minor. And I really think there's untapped offensive potential but again, he had Josi like numbers so it's not like some kind of big gamble-y question mark. He produced. He just does it in a kind of vanilla-ish way but in a way you just can't help but see translating to the bigs. Smart solid passing and a damn good/if not quite elite shot.

If people want to be pissed because they're wholly convinced Michkov is a can't miss stud, that's completely fine to me. But for people who think we just got a bum with limited upside, I think they're going to be proven wrong almost 100%. He just ticks way too many boxes.
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I think he’ll be a good smart middle pairing guy one day. To me his floor is close to his ceiling. I can’t see imagine him as a bottom line D. He’s too good of a skater. His shot is too good. He’ll produce more than a bottom pairing. He has a good defensive sense.

A legit top pairing D needs one or two exceptional qualities. Some are very mean or very physical. Have brilliant offensive timing. Can go end to end.
He’s physical in that he uses his body but more in making good choices when pinning or putting his body in the way.

Hé has some of the classic Swiss Army knife cliché. He does a bit of everything well, but does not excel in any one. Unless one of those exceptional traits arises at some point in time, he’ll be a 2nd pairing RD one day.
 
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I think he’ll be a good smart middle pairing guy one day. To me his floor is close to his ceiling. I can’t see imagine him as a bottom line D. He’s too good of a skater. His shot is too good. He’ll produce more than a bottom pairing. He has a good defensive sense.

A legit top pairing D needs one or two exceptional qualities. Some are very mean or very physical. Have brilliant offensive timing. Can go end to end.
He’s physical in that he uses his body but more in making good choices when pinning or putting his body in the way.

A bit of the classic Swiss Army knife cliché. He does a bit of everything well, but does not excel in any one. Until one of those traits arises at some point in time, he’ll be a 2nd pairing RD one day
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But he does have exceptional qualities?
 
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Ignorance on the habs boards.

Will bump this thread in about 4-5 years when Montreal has the undisputed best d core in the NHL
 
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dackelljuneaubulis02 said:
I'm horrible with player comparisons outside of the Habs org tbh. I don't think that's a bad comp though stylisitically. Hedman was seen as quite the phenom at the draft where many thought he should've gone ahead of Tavares(?) but yeah not as dynamic but similar style from what I know.

A couple months or so ago, I did quick and dirty looks on the 'big 5' (except Bedard cuz I didn't have the heart to know what I was missing) and besides Carlsson they all seemed so bloody question mark-y to me tbh. I'm pretty biased towards getting a flashy forward so I often don't look at D men. I figured I'd look at Reinbacher and I just couldn't help but like so much of his game. He just does a lot of things right that will make a team better. Again, people are allergic to 'safe' but when you see a guy who you just can't imagine him not being a top 4, that's hard to ignore.

I really tried to acknowledge my needs bias (I do kind of have it) and re-watch him and I did see some things here and there but they were just so minor. And I really think there's untapped offensive potential but again, he had Josi like numbers so it's not like some kind of big gamble-y question mark. He produced. He just does it in a kind of vanilla-ish way but in a way you just can't help but see translating to the bigs. Smart solid passing and a damn good/if not quite elite shot.

If people want to be pissed because they're wholly convinced Michkov is a can't miss stud, that's completely fine to me. But for people who think we just got a bum with limited upside, I think they're going to be proven wrong almost 100%. He just ticks way too many boxes.
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I've heard all kinds of crazy comparables for this guy tonight from the cope crowd. I've heard Pietrangelo, Josi, Hedman, Seider... All of which are nuts.

As of right now, he's a Better, less physical Kaiden Guhle. No more, no less.

Yes, his point production is not atrocious, but, as with Slafkovsky (who wasn't a godawful prospect despite his abysmal production), production never tells the whole story. (and Reinbacher's 3 goals aren't anything to write home about either.)

As of right now, he does not have the offensive upside of any of the aforementioned players. His shot is lacking, his passing is ok. While he joins the rush, he doesn't seem to have any elite offensive instincts. He's just there offensively. He's also not as physical as his size or some of the pundits that clearly haven't watched him would have you believe.

This would be a fine player to draft... say... post Dvorsky. But not at 5 in a stacked forward draft and certainly not above a game-breaking talent.

This is a disastrous pick.
 
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River Meadow said:
Very possible Molson didn't want any backlash for selecting a Russian.
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Doubt it. There was no backlash for any of the Russians and on aggregate they went higher than expected. “Backlash” is nonsense spewed by idiots much like the “headhunters in the AHL means Slafkovsky has to play in the NHL” nonsense. Baseless rationalizations at best — poorly hidden discrimination and racism otherwise.

We saw a lot of commentary here and from the media that was essentially “Russians are icky” and I am glad the NHL professionals thoroughly pissed all over that discriminatory construct.
 
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I've heard all kinds of crazy comparables for this guy tonight from the cope crowd. I've heard Pietrangelo, Josi, Hedman, Seider... All of which are nuts.

As of right now, he's a Better, less physical Kaiden Guhle. No more, no less.

Yes, his point production is not atrocious, but, as with Slafkovsky (who wasn't a godawful prospect despite his abysmal production), production never tells the whole story. (and Reinbacher's 3 goals aren't anything to write home about either.)

As of right now, he does not have the offensive upside of any of the aforementioned players. His shot is lacking, his passing is ok. While he joins the rush, he doesn't seem to have any elite offensive instincts. He's just there offensively. He's also not as physical as his size or some of the pundits that clearly haven't watched him would have you believe.

This would be a fine player to draft... say... post Dvorsky. But not at 5 in a stacked forward draft and certainly not above a game-breaking talent.

This is a disastrous pick.
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I would say his shot is better than his goal total would suggest.
 
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NotProkofievian said:
This is what I don't understand coming from some of the critics. They say he looks ''average in all respects.''

...my brother in christ, in what world do you live where the average dman looks like Reinbacher?
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Like I said in my previous comment on this page, the interview really gave me a boost of confidence because highlights and stats and internet wanna-be pro scouts' reports don't always paint the clearer picture that his teammate Faillé described. At his age, to be the man in all situations on a professional team filled with grown adults is absolutely exceptional. And how he arrived from no where and after some adaptation he found his groove is encouraging. Ironically, while I type all this, I realize Reinbacher seems like the Slafkovsky of this year's draft. Also a big riser in his DY and it doesnt look like a fluke.
 
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I've heard all kinds of crazy comparables for this guy tonight from the cope crowd. I've heard Pietrangelo, Josi, Hedman, Seider... All of which are nuts.

As of right now, he's a Better, less physical Kaiden Guhle. No more, no less.

Yes, his point production is not atrocious, but, as with Slafkovsky (who wasn't a godawful prospect despite his abysmal production), production never tells the whole story. (and Reinbacher's 3 goals aren't anything to write home about either.)

As of right now, he does not have the offensive upside of any of the aforementioned players. His shot is lacking, his passing is ok. While he joins the rush, he doesn't seem to have any elite offensive instincts. He's just there offensively. He's also not as physical as his size or some of the pundits that clearly haven't watched him would have you believe.

This would be a fine player to draft... say... post Dvorsky. But not at 5 in a stacked forward draft and certainly not above a game-breaking talent.

This is a disastrous pick.
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Lmao.

Best of all time, comparable to a 90pt NHLer's D+1 output ----> ''not atrocious''

I might be so bold as to say that it is not the worst production ever.
 
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Kennerback said:
I think he’ll be a good smart middle pairing guy one day. To me his floor is close to his ceiling. I can’t see imagine him as a bottom line D. He’s too good of a skater. His shot is too good. He’ll produce more than a bottom pairing. He has a good defensive sense.

A legit top pairing D needs one or two exceptional qualities. Some are very mean or very physical. Have brilliant offensive timing. Can go end to end.
He’s physical in that he uses his body but more in making good choices when pinning or putting his body in the way.

Hé has some of the classic Swiss Army knife cliché. He does a bit of everything well, but does not excel in any one. Unless one of those exceptional traits arises at some point in time, he’ll be a 2nd pairing RD one day.
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I've had this concern myself and I think it is very valid. But the more I watch him and remind myself that he's playing against men the more I'm convinced of top pairing upside.

I just watched a bunch of videos and he's just so bloody mobile and disruptive in his own end. He's got stuff to work on positioning wise and what not but for it to be as good and effective as it is playing in the Swiss league as a kid is just really damn impressive.

And I think there's just a lot of semantics happening here. How big is the gap between 'well' and 'exceptional'? I don't think he does a lot of things 'well' so much as he does them really damn well. And doing them really damn well as a (broken record I know) kid in a men's league. A men's league that also seems to be rising in stature. If he was playing junior aged kids, he could look all the more dominant.

But all in all I think you're outlining a very valid concern of his ultimate upside and for taking him at 5.
 
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Like I said in my previous comment on this page, the interview really gave me a boost of confidence because highlights and stats and internet wanna-be pro scouts' reports don't always paint the picture that his teammate Faillé described. At his age, to be the man in all situations on a professional team filled with grown adults is absolutely exceptional. And how he arrived from no where and after some adaptation he found his groove is encouraging. Ironically, while I type all this, I realize Reinbacher seems like the Slafkovsky of this year's draft. Also a big riser in his DY and it doesnt look like a fluke.
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Lol, but the stats do tell the story, that's the hilarious thing. His NHLe is better than Slafkovsky's was last year, even without accounting for position. His production is better than Quinn Hughes' when accounting for league quality.

People just don't know what they're looking at.
 
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