Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Kobe Armstrong]

Yeah. Muggli is a fine prospect who would be much more popular in other draft years but he does not have Reinbacher's offensive upside. He's playing on a much better team as well. But yeah. He surprisingly made the team out of camp and played a very good season which is impressive for a draft eligible kid.

Right but he's seen as a mid 2nd round pick so not sure I'm buying the elite production narrative, or maybe Muggli is underrated

 

[Jaynki]

Give Reinbacher Josi's Bern team and I'm pretty sure we're talking about his season differently. Josi's D+1 team was completely stacked.

Ofc. Ang is best scorer in Kloten with 29 points in 52 games.

29 points was Bern 7th best in Josi D+1 and in 31 games...

Josi was not even the best producing dman of his team, being outproduced by Travis Roche.

It goes to say too, he is a very stylistically different defenseman than Reinbacher and is much more offense oriented. Reinbacher is someone who will rack a lot of point in a good structure via his elite transition game. He wont get point in a similar fashion than the likes of Karlsson or Parekh.

I'll throw Leon Muggli's name out there as a first time draft eligible defenseman from the NLA, he has similar stats to Reinbacher THIS year, but he is 6'0 and left handed. His draft year stats don't touch Reinbacher's draft year stats, but they look better than Reinbacher's D+1 stats.

Stats are just one part of the evaluation tho.

Muggli does not have Reinbacher tools such as edgework, strenght, reach and physicality.

They are a strong component of Reinbacher games in my humble opinion as he is good at recovering puck and transiting D to O.

Muggli is nice but he does not have near the upside of Reinbacher.

 

[Hinterland]

Right but he's seen as a mid 2nd round pick so not sure I'm buying the elite production narrative, or maybe Muggli is underrated

I'm not sure if Muggli is necessarily underrated. I guess there's a chance because frankly, nobody expected him to even make Zug out of camp and be an NL regular this season. On the other hand, he has been relatively underwhelming at the WJC20.

At the end of the day, context matters. In a different year, Muggli could probably sneak into the 1st round. He most certainly won't purely because this year is so deep when it comes to quality defense prospects available. Also, Zug is a stacked, extremely well coached team that has won titles in recent years. Even though this regular season wasn't their finest, this is still a very different caliber compared to the Kloten team of this season. Reinbacher's stats would look quite a bit different if he was with Zug.

 

[StCaufield]

The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.

Nice! I never questioned the pick though I trust the process. Thanks for the info that makes me excited

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Can't wait, I'm really hungry.

 

[Ezpz]

Hate to say it but for d+1 he's probably the worst pick in the top ten. Maybe Nate Danielson. Even willander at 11 is having a better year while being younger. Wood/honzek are probably the first guys objectively having worse seasons.

I still like Reinbacher's upside but it still sucks to see your highest drafted player in the organization not dominate.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Hate to say it but for d+1 he's probably the worst pick in the top ten. Maybe Nate Danielson. Even willander at 11 is having a better year while being younger. Wood/honzek are probably the first guys objectively having worse seasons.

I still like Reinbacher's upside but it still sucks to see your highest drafted player in the organization not dominate.

Unfortunately, he was on a shit show of a team who can barely score. In their final 10 games, they had 14GF and 35 GA. And in those 10 games, they were shut out 5 times.

They changed their coach 3 times. That gives you an idea how bad things were.

Despite all that, Reinbacher was still their top scoring D. And because he missed time to injury, he played 15 less games than almost everyone else.

He was 4th in scoring among U20 players in the league.

He will have to work on his offensive game, but this past season, context matters when evaluating his production.

 

[montreal]

Hate to say it but for d+1 he's probably the worst pick in the top ten. Maybe Nate Danielson. Even willander at 11 is having a better year while being younger. Wood/honzek are probably the first guys objectively having worse seasons.

I still like Reinbacher's upside but it still sucks to see your highest drafted player in the organization not dominate.

I said it in the 2023 draft class thread that I haven't been too impressed with many of the 1st rounders from that draft at least so far. Though I was hard on Leonard saying early in the season that I found Perreault to be more impressive (also in the Perreault thread on the prospect board) but Leonard has looked a lot better in the 2nd half of the season.

But guys like Willander, Sale, so far haven't impressed too much though I haven't paid much attention but since Sale plays with Mesar I should get to see a few more games so we'll see. I've heard a lot of talk about Stramel's struggles, I just saw Matthew Wood last week and wanted us to trade up to get him before the Newhook trade, the skating still needs so much work and he doesn't use his great size to his advantage yet but he can shoot it. Still not on board with Michkov though and I wasn't too impressed with the little I saw of Dvorsky (just 1 OHL game I believe) and Danielson at the WJC's.

I do still like Barlow though I haven't seen him too much as I haven't paid much attention to Guindon this year since I assume they don't sign him. I also wanted us to trade up for Oliver Moore if not for Mathew Wood, I only saw a little of Minnesota this year, thought he was ok, the speed/skating are legit but not sure he can compute as fast as he feet move.

So maybe it could end up being a not so great draft class or in 5 years these kids could be a bunch of stars in the NHL as it's really hard to project how 17, 18 year olds will end up in 5-10 years, when they will figure it out or not and how long will it take and will injuries get in the way or numerous other things that can go wrong.

With Reinbacher he has NHL size, mobility, and plays a solid 2 way game, so his ability to move the puck while being able to have enough power/strength to hold off NHLers is going to get him plenty of looks in the NHL in time. It's just a question of how good will he be and there's no way anyone can know that at this point as I think if you ignore the scouting reports, the kid has solid tools and foundation with which to build off, so this is where your development team needs to earn their keep.

Build him up into a star, if the offense is a lot better then he's shown this year, as he's clearly got the frame and mobility to go with decent puck skills. I think he's got to work heavily on just being more consistent, string together a bunch of games where he handles the puck smoothly, effortlessly as he's shown he can do it but he's been inconsistent, which is common but that's what separates guys that can end up stars one day, they figure out how to do it at the highest level night in and night out.

 

[SlafySZN]

Hate to say it but for d+1 he's probably the worst pick in the top ten. Maybe Nate Danielson. Even willander at 11 is having a better year while being younger. Wood/honzek are probably the first guys objectively having worse seasons.

I still like Reinbacher's upside but it still sucks to see your highest drafted player in the organization not dominate.

Those guys plays in the NCAA or juniors. If Reinbacher played there he would’ve looked way better than them.

 

[teamfirst]

Hope people saved from crow after eating it from Slaf because you'll be eating it again on Reinbacher.

I'm ok then, Slaf was my choice for 1st overall, still have a stack of crow in my barns

 

[Ezpz]

Those guys plays in the NCAA or juniors. If Reinbacher played there he would’ve looked way better than them.

Some are playing in European leagues though that are above or equal to the NLA. I'm not low on Reinbacher I just hate how our guys always underperform. I am not as worried with him as I was with Kotkaniemi though.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Olten playing @ 12:30PM. Game 5. Series tied 2-2.

Game 6 is on Tuesday.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Olten at their all-time peak for generating international attention.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Olten at their all-time peak for generating international attention.

GCK Lions fans and Habs fans unite to take down the evil empire that is Olten.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Game is tied 1-1 after 1 period.

Olten scored 1:22 into the game. Lions tied it a little over 2 minutes later.

 

[salbutera]

It's not followed by. It's both at the same time. First two years were all school. 3rd and 4th year is an internship equal to a 50% job and half a day of classes per week.

Semester finishes 12 July. This is public information though. Not a secret.

Redenbacher said during training camp he would be able to complete the entire school year online if Habs decided to keep him

 

[Miller Time]

Those guys plays in the NCAA or juniors. If Reinbacher played there he would’ve looked way better than them.

Exactly. Apples to Oranges

This is no different than all the skeptics of Slaf after his D1. So many posts complaining we got the wrong guy because other prospects were excelling in weaker leagues.

If Habs fans are so concerned with having top producers in the NCAA or in other leagues, Hutson, Mailloux & Konyushkov should provide some comfort I would think..

 

[Adam Michaels]

Olten take a 2-1 lead in the 2nd period.

Edit: they make it 3-1.

 

[Jaynki]

f***ing Olten man

 

[Redux91]

f***ing Olten man

LOL
we can't start getting mad at random nowhere European teams in Switzerland just because it delays Reinbachers 'flight to NA' for a bit lol

It's remarkable we're following this at all lol

I wonder if the people monitoring the viewership are like hmmm, I don't know why exactly... but we've got a giant spike in the ratings all coming from this location in Canada.. weird.. but woo-hoo!

 

[c3z4r]

is he going to be our Olli Juolevi?

 

[Jaynki]

LOL
we can't start getting mad at random nowhere European teams in Switzerland just because it delays Reinbachers 'flight to NA' for a bit lol

It's remarkable we're following this at all lol

I wonder if the people monitoring the viewership are like hmmm, I don't know why exactly... but we've got a giant spike in the ratings all coming from this location in Canada.. weird.. but woo-hoo!

Hahaha, just eager to see David

is he going to be our Olli Juolevi?

He is going to be our Paul Coffey

 

[Hinterland]

Olten take a 2-1 lead in the 2nd period.

Edit: they make it 3-1.

Don't hold your breath. GCK is just the farm team of the ZSC Lions. A team of prospects with only a handful of vets. Highly unlikely to beat a "proper" team like Olten.

 

[Gustave]

Hahaha, just eager to see David



He is going to be our Paul Coffey

I appreciate the love and positive thinking but Paul Coffey was god on skates. One of the best skaters I’ve seen. Ridiculous ability really… and never seen the inside of his own zone either

 

[Adam Michaels]

Don't hold your breath. GCK is just the farm team of the ZSC Lions. A team of prospects with only a handful of vets. Highly unlikely to beat a "proper" team like Olten.

Hoping for the best. But I am prepared mentally to have Reinbacher's arrival delayed.