Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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So if Olten wins...they still have to beat Chaux de Fonds right? That would obviously postpone even more.....but from all the records, there's no way they beat Chaux de Fonds so....
 
So if Olten wins...they still have to beat Chaux de Fonds right? That would obviously postpone even more.....but from all the records, there's no way they beat Chaux de Fonds so....
No. As long as they make the next step, it's happening, from what I have read on here.
 
So if Olten wins...they still have to beat Chaux de Fonds right? That would obviously postpone even more.....but from all the records, there's no way they beat Chaux de Fonds so....
Why don't we bring him over and expose him to everything AHL now.
The sooner we integrate him in NA the better IMO.
Even if he's just practicing with the club waiting for relegation to play out.
I'm with you the odds of Kloten getting relegated are slim at best now.
 
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I don’t get why everyone is hoping that he will join a struggling Laval team with the expectations of him to adapt to NA playstyle / hockey rink size / new teammates / make a playoff push with a down spiraling team.

I’d rather him to finish his season properly, heal up, prepare to move to a new continent, have a proper summer training and arrive early this summer in MTL to train with the team (like Slaf, Xhekaj, Guhle did 2 years ago).
Because he is if he can get the f*** out of his league.
 
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To be honest I don't much care if he comes over asap or at all this season. His season has been so underwhelming that I am focusing on other prospects.

Tou don't think Reinbacher will be a top 4 D?
 
So if Olten wins...they still have to beat Chaux de Fonds right? That would obviously postpone even more.....but from all the records, there's no way they beat Chaux de Fonds so....

If Olten wins their semi-final against GCK Lions, then Kloten and Ajoie will start their relegation series on March 16th.

I thought Olten would need to win the Championship, but I believe all they need to do is go past the semis.

If you think about it, Game 5 is on Sunday the 10th. Game 6 is on Tuesday the 12th. Game 7 would either be on Thursday the 14th or Friday the 15th if it gets to 7 games.

If Kloten and Ajoie are to start on the 16th, that means all Olten needs to do is go past the semis.

Olten will still play a final to win the playoffs. But they would already have earned to play for the top division.
 
Im sure he’ll be fine but his stats are pathetic. How does he stack up against other D his age in the same league? Anybody seen him play lately? I’m not worried but I wouldn’t say he’s encouraging on paper. I know I’m ignorant
 
Nice to see the boo-birds from last years Slaf thread have found a new home here.
I mean I think he’ll be a star but technically speaking a month or 2 of good hockey in the o zone from Slaf doesn’t automatically make him a complete stud. Still cautious
 
Im sure he’ll be fine but his stats are pathetic. How does he stack up against other D his age in the same league?

The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.
 
The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.
Exactly. The NL is the exact opposite of a development league. Most teams have unlimited money, so no reason to play prospects. Unless you're clearly better than any vet they can possibly get, you're not gonna play if you're a kid...let alone as much as Reinbacher. Reinbacher's performances and stats are unique in every way. The only somewhat comparable player is Josi but the NL is a much better league now than it was back in the days.

So I understand that this season may have been underwhelming and I expected much more myself but that's only the case because Reinbacher's last season was so historical. Too early to panic.
 
The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.

I think the reasons for questioning Slaf vs Reinbacher are very different as there is no reasonable debate that would support Slaf looking anything other than lost and utterly confused on the ice. I repeatedly affirmed that he was a great prospect but it was yet to be determined whether it was a hardware O/S or software issue. Fortunately it appears to be more software related and his hardware appears to be fine as his O/S is being gradually updated to run the new software.

In Reinbacher's case it appears that the mental side of the game is a strength of his and he just needs to be patient and allow himself to progress rather than trying to do too much and expedite his development. The criticism is mostly from a profound misunderstanding of the development of defenceman and the effect that playing on poor, disorganized teams has on their gameplay. Typically, fans who do not have the acumen to visually identify this will lean far too heavily into stats without the ability to connect the nuances and context that are visually available but apparently indigestible to them.

I was always luke warm on Reinbacher at #5 as I could easily acknowledge that he is a very good RD prospect but I am not entirely convinced on the upside of his offensive abilities and thought that the #5 OA slot was a little too rich for his skill level. That being said, it is hardly uncommon for dmen to make enormous leaps in development as the position is inherently difficult to scout due to the large relative developmental gap from prospect to NHL in comparison to forwards. Much like Slaf is learning to process entirely new concepts that he has never entertained for whatever reason, Reinbacher is learning how to play the offensive side of the game as he has been far more focused on the defensive side. This is not uncommon for kids with the characteristics and social makeup of David who is very team oriented. He is the opposite of many young top dmen prospects who are a little more gregarious and spotlight driven who need the offensive reigns pulled and are forced to learn the defensive side of the game. This is not to say that one approach is better than the other but personality drives the approach and it is possible that both methods may result in a fine two way NHL dman who can play on the PP and shut down the opposition's top line. It is just harder at times to bet on the kid who hasn't shown offensive dynamism to any significant degree.

All of the stat worshippers who were fawning over his point totals last year without any understanding of causality are understandably disappointed in his production but that is their problem and not his. Reinbacher's production was largely due to playing on a more cohesive team that was able to support and capitalize on his strong transitional game whereas this season that is just not the case. They would have you believe that he was going end to end last season and was the mastermind on the PP by the Josi comparison's when in fact that was demonstrably not the case at all.

I like Reinbacher and I do believe that he has the potential to be a top pairing dman and is a virtual lock to be at least a strong two way 2nd pairing dman. The criticism from our resident statistical enthusiasts is very reminiscent of the criticism that McDonagh received around here even though he was clearly passing the eye test....at least he was to those who can see and don't rely on stats to form their thesis.
 
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I think the reasons for questioning Slaf vs Reinbacher are very different as there is no reasonable debate that would support Slaf looking anything other than lost and utterly confused on the ice. I repeatedly affirmed that he was a great prospect but it was yet to be determined whether it was a hardware O/S or software issue. Fortunately it appears to be more software related and his hardware appears to be fine as his O/S is being gradually updated to run the new software.

In Reinbacher's case it appears that the mental side of the game is a strength of his and he just needs to be patient and allow himself to progress rather than trying to do too much and expedite his development. The criticism is mostly from a profound misunderstanding of the development of defenceman and the effect that playing on poor, disorganized teams has on their gameplay. Typically, fans who do not have the acumen to visually identify this will lean far too heavily into stats without the ability to connect the nuances and context that are visually available but apparently indigestible to them.

I was always luke warm on Reinbacher at #5 as I could easily acknowledge that he is a very good RD prospect but I have never been sold on his offensive abilities and thought that the #5 OA slot was a little too rich for his skill level. That being said, it is hardly uncommon for dmen to make enormous leaps in development as the position is inherently difficult to scout due to the large relative developmental gap from prospect to NHL in comparison to forwards. Much like Slaf is learning to process entirely new concepts that he has never entertained for whatever reason, Reinbacher is learning how to play the offensive side of the game as he has been far more focused on the defensive side. This is not uncommon for kids with the characteristics and social makeup of David who is very team oriented. He is the opposite of many young top dmen prospects who are a little more gregarious and spotlight driven who need the offensive reigns pulled and are forced to learn the defensive side of the game. This is not to say that one approach is better than the other but personality drives the approach and it is possible that both methods may result in a fine two way NHL dman who can play on the PP and shut down the opposition's top line. It is just harder at times to bet on the kid who hasn't shown offensive dynamism to any significant degree.

All of the stat worshippers who were fawning over his point totals last year without any understanding of causality are understandably disappointed in his production but that is their problem and not his. Reinbacher's production was largely due to playing on a more cohesive team that was able to support and capitalize on his strong transitional game whereas this season that is just not the case. The stat gang would have you believe that he was going end to end last season and was the mastermind on the PP by the Josi comparison's when in fact that was demonstrably not the case at all.

I like Reinbacher and I do believe that he has the potential to be a top pairing dman and is a virtual lock to be at least a strong two way 2nd pairing dman. The criticism from our resident stat heads is very reminiscent of the criticism that McDonagh received around here even though he was clearly passing the eye test....at least he was to those who can see and don't rely on stats to build their bias.

Agree with pretty much everything on Reinbacher.

I want to put a strong empahsis on strong transitional game. That is the key with Reinbacher and where the majority of his points will come from. That goes on to say that he would have fared differently stats wise with a performing team where the best scorer have more than 29 points in 52 games.

On every relative metrics, Reinbacher is top tier. Point production is not a relative metric.
 
Why don't we bring him over and expose him to everything AHL now.
The sooner we integrate him in NA the better IMO.
Even if he's just practicing with the club waiting for relegation to play out.
I'm with you the odds of Kloten getting relegated are slim at best now.
I believe DR isn’t just playing out his season. He’s also finishing school this spring.
 
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Too early to tell, I am not overly impressed but he is 19 and played on a really bad team. They saw something in him

I haven't seen him play much at all. I've just heard the hype. Which is why I'd like to see him in a Laval jersey soon.
 
Hope people saved from crow after eating it from Slaf because you'll be eating it again on Reinbacher.

It depends on what you mean by "eating crow" as I will be the first to admit that Slaf is a lot closer to the best case scenario than the worst case scenario that I laid out, which isn't e reason to declare defeat or victory but to be happy to have been more wrong than right in attempting to predict his development curve. My individual concerns and strengths that I had regarding him have proven to be far more accurate than the those who blindly claimed that he did not demonstrate IQ and vision related red flags. I at least provided an explanation for why he was so poor in those areas and also explained the potential causality for that perceived weakness....and I appear to have been correct in so far as understanding that he was demonstrating serious issues but that there were potential explanations that I had no way to confirm or dismiss.

As I have pointed out earlier, fans who claim victory in these debates or crucify others for picking lesser prospects (within reason lol as there are some ridiculous claims out there) are just celebrating victory in a coin toss as scouting is an incredibly difficult thing to do without failing most of the time. NHL teams have met these players along with their coaches , family, friends etc or they know people that they trust who have met them and they have infinitely more insight than message board fans do. When the Madden's of the world have missed on multiple first rounders who is anyone on a message board to claim victory for selecting one player over another when there were razor thin margins separating these decisions among the most skilled scouts on the planet with all of the tools in the world available to them.

At the end of the day all that we can do is debate individual traits and skills that are demonstrable to the viewer in game situations. When people diagnose these things wrong then yes, there is a reason to question their competence. People being more accurate on the final selections at the draft have just won a game of chance and should check their ego or maybe reflect on why they feel the need to shine such a bright light on such a meaningless victory.

This is of course not to take any credit from you for taking Cooley over Wright as you were not only correct in predicting it, so far your reasoning for the decision has held up better than mine.
 
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The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.

Give Reinbacher Josi's Bern team and I'm pretty sure we're talking about his season differently. Josi's D+1 team was completely stacked.
 
The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.
I don't understand the frustration. Smith will probably be a good player but nothing special. SJ passed. Mtl passed. Arizona passed. Even if he didn't want tp go to Arizona (a mark against him) they have no reason to care if they thought he was by far the best player. They could have taken him and had 3 years to trade him.
 
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Exactly. The NL is the exact opposite of a development league. Most teams have unlimited money, so no reason to play prospects. Unless you're clearly better than any vet they can possibly get, you're not gonna play if you're a kid...let alone as much as Reinbacher. Reinbacher's performances and stats are unique in every way. The only somewhat comparable player is Josi but the NL is a much better league now than it was back in the days.

So I understand that this season may have been underwhelming and I expected much more myself but that's only the case because Reinbacher's last season was so historical. Too early to panic.
The best his league has ever seen lol. Right up there with Josi.

Also, best D on his team ainec despite his age.

To be fair tho, rarely do prospects play in the NLA. Its a grown-men league compared to other euro league.

His stats are pathetic but go check his team stats in general and compare him to other D.

Go see what Marc Crawford had to say on him when he coached against his team.

I understand the frustration skipping on Michkov and the disappointment with Reinbacher but the fanbase is setting itself up for another Slaf-like surprise, in my humble opinion.

I'll throw Leon Muggli's name out there as a first time draft eligible defenseman from the NLA, he has similar stats to Reinbacher THIS year, but he is 6'0 and left handed. His draft year stats don't touch Reinbacher's draft year stats, but they look better than Reinbacher's D+1 stats.
 
I'll throw Leon Muggli's name out there as a first time draft eligible defenseman from the NLA, he has similar stats to Reinbacher THIS year, but he is 6'0 and left handed. His draft year stats don't touch Reinbacher's draft year stats, but they look better than Reinbacher's D+1 stats.

Yeah. Muggli is a fine prospect who would be much more popular in other draft years but he does not have Reinbacher's offensive upside. He's playing on a much better team as well. But yeah. He surprisingly made the team out of camp and played a very good season which is impressive for a draft eligible kid.
 
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