Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[JoelWarlord]

You think I'm creating a mountain out of a molehill.

If you think the pick was a bad decision then sure whatever, that's reasonable, even the whole idea of needs vs BPA, I don't agree with you but that is a real argument with substance that it's reasonable to hold.

On the topic of whether he plays in Switzerland or Laval being somehow proof that all of these other disparate topics are linked and proof that they took needs over BPA yadda yadda I think you're putting a pile of dirt on an empty flat surface and calling it a mountain.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Apparently I can't even call out hypocrites because their feelings get hurt.

Self awareness = 0

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It’s dumb to split hairs but then functionally agree with everything your conversation counterpart has to say. You do this with me often.

I agree with you that we lack a blue chip superstar. Saying that our deep prospect pool “isn’t very good” however is concern trolling. And yes I’ve called you out on this before and will continue to do so until you stop doing it. It was a dumb thing to say and you knew it when you wrote it.

Anyone under Reinbacher and Hutson isn’t particularly strong and if they do have a particular strength they also have critical flaws like poor skating or small stature.

? Mailloux, Guehle, Engstrom… RB and Hutson to go with it. How is this not a terrific group?

Slaf and Dach aren’t prospects in my book. They’re in the NHL. Guhle, Caufield, and Suzuki aren’t prospects either.

Now who’s splitting hairs?

It’s irrelevant. What matters is assessing the future of the team. Yeah, the forward group is a concern. I agree, we need something there and goaltending is still a question mark. But the blueline is stacked to the point where we’re probably going to have to start dealing some of these guys away. I don’t see how anyone can be unhappy with that group.

As for Slaf’s potential — until he shows he can utilize his skill in the NHL, much less produce, I don’t see the point of insisting he has superstar potential. But you can think so, we can disagree.

I’m not expecting superstar. Sketchy draft, not a great pedigree… it is what it is. But ripping his production game by game as you did last year is lunacy.

I’m hopeful he turns into a first liner. As I’ve said many times in the past though, we have only one forward who I see as a legit blue chip first line player - Caufield. Maybe somebody else emerges but that’s not a guarantee.

Yes Hutson seems to have star potential.

It is unlikely that 2 or 3 of our top10 prospects all make it in the NHL and all make it in the NHL with the Habs. Should they all stick with the Habs it is even more unlikely they will become stars. It would be a golden generation unlike anything we have seen before. But you’re welcome to think they will all turn out good, it doesn’t cost you anything to cheer on dreams of a successful future.

It doesn’t cost you anything to shit all over everything either.

No doubt I have concerns. Two years in a row they went with a player I wouldn’t have drafted. I firmly believe that it’s next to impossible to win without a superstar and right now I don’t see one in the lineup.

Lots of really good talent though. The foundation of a good young team is there. Add one superstar to it and we’re in great shape.

I have no illusions that some will bust. Sad but true. But some will overachieve as well. I’m optimistic about where we are but we still have a long way to go.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I agree with you that we lack a blue chip superstar. Saying that our deep prospect pool “isn’t very good” however is concern trolling. And yes I’ve called you out on this before and will continue to do so until you stop doing it. It was a dumb thing to say and you knew it when you wrote it.

? Mailloux, Guehle, Engstrom… RB and Hutson to go with it. How is this not a terrific group?

Now who’s splitting hairs?

It’s irrelevant. What matters is assessing the future of the team. Yeah, the forward group is a concern. I agree, we need something there and goaltending is still a question mark. But the blueline is stacked to the point where we’re probably going to have to start dealing some of these guys away. I don’t see how anyone can be unhappy with that group.

I’m not expecting superstar. Sketchy draft, not a great pedigree… it is what it is. But ripping his production game by game as you did last year is lunacy.

I’m hopeful he turns into a first liner. As I’ve said many times in the past though, we have only one forward who I see as a legit blue chip first line player - Caufield. Maybe somebody else emerges but that’s not a guarantee.

It doesn’t cost you anything to shit all over everything either.

No doubt I have concerns. Two years in a row they went with a player I wouldn’t have drafted. I firmly believe that it’s next to impossible to win without a superstar and right now I don’t see one in the lineup.

Lots of really good talent though. The foundation of a good young team is there. Add one superstar to it and we’re in great shape.

I have no illusions that some will bust. Sad but true. But some will overachieve as well. I’m optimistic about where we are but we still have a long way to go.

How do you get that superstar though, other than drafting them? That's the question.

I think they might have lost their window.

 

[waffledave]

Self awareness = 0

This is so hilariously ironic given my initial post that I'm responding just to draw more attention to it.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

This is so hilariously ironic given my initial post that I'm responding just to draw more attention to it.

"I know you are but what am I" is the crux or your argument, is it?

You're doing everything you accuse others of doing. With the addition of heinous personal attacks. Or do you think calling someone a pedophile because they disagree with your hockey opinion normal human behavior?

 

[Paddy17]

Apparently I can't even call out hypocrites because their feelings get hurt.

The times we live in...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

How do you get that superstar though, other than drafting them? That's the question.

I think they might have lost their window.

We’re still rebuilding. We’ll still have higher picks coming. Stockpile everything and go from there. The more you have the better your chances.

Way back in the day we had the same situation- no superstars. But we stockpiled picks. Price emerged as a HOF talent. Subban emerged as a full on superstar. Max was one of the most productive goal scorers in the league despite playing with crap centers.

Not all our guys will pan out. But some will overachieve. We might have a superstar already and not know it.

There are always periods of doubt in every rebuild. We just need to stay the course and not worry about it.

One thing I would do though… look for reclamation projects with young players who were expected to be good but didn’t pan out. I’d have loved to have taken a chance on Lafreniere for example. Sometimes you can luck out on a superstar that way.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

We’re still rebuilding. We’ll still have higher picks coming. Stockpile everything and go from there. The more you have the better your chances.

Way back in the day we had the same situation- no superstars. But we stockpiled picks. Price emerged as a HOF talent. Subban emerged as a full on superstar. Max was one of the most productive goal scorers in the league despite playing with crap centers.

Not all our guys will pan out. But some will overachieve. We might have a superstar already and not know it.

There are always periods of doubt in every rebuild. We just need to stay the course and not worry about it.

One thing I would do though… look for reclamation projects with young players who were expected to be good but didn’t pan out. I’d have loved to have taken a chance on Lafreniere for example. Sometimes you can luck out on a superstar that way.

I'd say those are respectable points, but I also think that Subban and Price showed us that having a star goalie and defenseman just isn't enough. You need those guys who can score the clutch goal when you need it. You need that offensive superstar.

You're not wrong on the reclamation projects or the Jack Eichel-type situations, but those really are few and far between. Rangers don't seem to be willing to give up on Laf, nor should they really. The draft really is where you usually get those guys. I really think we blew it on this one.

 

[HabsMD97]

whose nhle model is this ? I know pretty much all NHLe models have Reinbacher as one of the top defensemen in the past 5+ years but i haven't seen this one before

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'd say those are respectable points, but I also think that Subban and Price showed us that having a star goalie and defenseman just isn't enough. You need those guys who can score the clutch goal when you need it. You need that offensive superstar.

There’s a big difference between superstar and Desharnais though… Even if we had a decent center we could well have won a cup.

Think about how good we were even with the terrible roster management and bad systems. I think with a decent coach and using Chuck as our first we likely would’ve won one along the way.

But again that would’ve meant not signing Prust, Murray, Bouillion… and getting guys like Jagr and other better players. We weren’t far off. But we hired morons.

You're not wrong on the reclamation projects or the Jack Eichel-type situations, but those really are few and far between. Rangers don't seem to be willing to give up on Laf, nor should they really. The draft really is where you usually get those guys. I really think we blew it on this one.

I didn’t say it was easy…

 

[Sorinth]

How do you get that superstar though, other than drafting them? That's the question.

I think they might have lost their window.

Same way everybody else does, luck.

 

[Runner77]

Entretien avec Max Truman – BPM Sports

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His source seems quite evident if you listen to this. Truman says his son got something similar but worst than Reinbacher. I think there's an health professionnal that just lost its contract with the CH lol.

Truman should stick to composing his lame Friday rap songs on BPM with his complicit jester and pitchman for Moualllllllll Auto-Prix, BGL. Talk about a guy who sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard, Truman is supremely annoying and all he does is regurgitate content from DLC. Some content.

 

[Kaladin]

Is it drafting by needs or their preference about what their team should be?

They've also drafted only 2 skaters out of 7 picks (I removed the Fowler pick) in the first 3 rounds of their drafts that are big. How can you say they're drafting size out of needs? Because they haven't drafted enough of them?

Even if it's their preference, it is leading them to stray away from the BPA philosophy. I personally think you should draft the best player available at your given draft slot. If their preference is leading them away from that then I disagree with it.

Those 2 skaters were their top picks in their respective drafts. It suggests to me a certain cowardice. They want their top picks to not bust so they pick safe floors. It's not what you want to see. At lower acquisition costs they are fine with making bigger swings.

 

[Kaladin]

If you think the pick was a bad decision then sure whatever, that's reasonable, even the whole idea of needs vs BPA, I don't agree with you but that is a real argument with substance that it's reasonable to hold.

On the topic of whether he plays in Switzerland or Laval being somehow proof that all of these other disparate topics are linked and proof that they took needs over BPA yadda yadda I think you're putting a pile of dirt on an empty flat surface and calling it a mountain.

Disparate topics? lol. Them letting him play in Switzerland is an additional dot underpinning my belief they took needs vs BPA. There are many other dots I've listed in other posts. Such as Hughes basically admitting if Reinbacher was a left hand D they may not have drafted him. I've never said whether Reinbacher plays in Switzerland or Laval is the only evidence.

If you choose to keep your blinders on and ignore direct quotes from our own GM what even is the point of continuing this conversation?

 

[ReHabs]

I agree with you that we lack a blue chip superstar. Saying that our deep prospect pool “isn’t very good” however is concern trolling. And yes I’ve called you out on this before and will continue to do so until you stop doing it. It was a dumb thing to say and you knew it when you wrote it.

I didn’t express any concern. It is my opinion that after Hutson and Reinbacher we have a pedestrian prospect pool.

? Mailloux, Guehle, Engstrom… RB and Hutson to go with it. How is this not a terrific group?

Guhle isn’t a prospect. We’ve already acknowledged Reinbacher and Hutson. Criticism of Mailloux is that he doesn’t know how to play defence and isn’t a sure thing to make it in the NHL. Every NHL team has a prospect like Engstrom.

Now who’s splitting hairs?

It’s irrelevant. What matters is assessing the future of the team. Yeah, the forward group is a concern. I agree, we need something there and goaltending is still a question mark. But the blueline is stacked to the point where we’re probably going to have to start dealing some of these guys away. I don’t see how anyone can be unhappy with that group.

Well, I wasn’t talking about the future of the team. Discussion of a hockey team’s prospect pool is a pretty self-contained and well defined thing. The Habs have generally had a highly ranked prospect pool due to quantity/depth and not star power potential and it’s not worked out well for us or borne fruit.

I’m not expecting superstar. Sketchy draft, not a great pedigree… it is what it is. But ripping his production game by game as you did last year is lunacy.

He went pointless for an entire calendar month and Hughes the genius GM who you adore didn’t send him down.

I’m hopeful he turns into a first liner. As I’ve said many times in the past though, we have only one forward who I see as a legit blue chip first line player - Caufield. Maybe somebody else emerges but that’s not a guarantee.

So Hughes in only two years manages to reach Bergevin’s end game: hope and pray for a deus ex machina to get the Habs out of Loser Team orbit.

It doesn’t cost you anything to shit all over everything either.

Sorry for offending you.

No doubt I have concerns. Two years in a row they went with a player I wouldn’t have drafted. I firmly believe that it’s next to impossible to win without a superstar and right now I don’t see one in the lineup.

Lots of really good talent though. The foundation of a good young team is there. Add one superstar to it and we’re in great shape.

Outside of Caufield we have zero uniquely interesting players. 60-odd point Suzuki and 50-odd point Dach are found on every team in the league — even Arizona has Clayton Keller (far better than any Habs player).

If they improve the analysis will change, let’s hope they improve.

I have no illusions that some will bust. Sad but true. But some will overachieve as well. I’m optimistic about where we are but we still have a long way to go.

Busts are only bitter if you feel entitled to the success of the prospect. If you approach prospects without entitlement you don’t suffer the ignominy of being defeated by them.

I repeat: Outside of Hutson and Reinbacher we do not have interesting prospects.

Cheers thanks for the chat.

 

[jrom]

whose nhle model is this ? I know pretty much all NHLe models have Reinbacher as one of the top defensemen in the past 5+ years but i haven't seen this one before

All NHLe models are dumb imo. The more points you produce in junior the more likely to become a good NHLer. That’s just glorified hockeydb scouting

 

[ReHabs]

All NHLe models are dumb imo. The more points you produce in junior the more likely to become a good NHLer. That’s just glorified hockeydb scouting

There are correlations between stats. One day there will be more effective models which have a more robust dataset but the concept is not flawed.

It’s not as if “eye test only” scouting even exists or that these such approaches are particularly successful.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I didn’t express any concern. It is my opinion that after Hutson and Reinbacher we have a pedestrian prospect pool.

‘Our prospects aren’t very good’…

Guhle isn’t a prospect. We’ve already acknowledged Reinbacher and Hutson. Criticism of Mailloux is that he doesn’t know how to play defence and isn’t a sure thing to make it in the NHL. Every NHL team has a prospect like Engstrom.

What matters is that Guehle is a part of a great young D group coming up. I don’t see how anyone would define a guy with like 40 NHL games as anything but a prospect but… it doesn’t matter.

Well, I wasn’t talking about the future of the team. Discussion of a hockey team’s prospect pool is a pretty self-contained and well defined thing. The Habs have generally had a highly ranked prospect pool due to quantity/depth and not star power potential and it’s not worked out well for us or borne fruit.

It’s not worked out? We’re a couple of years into a rebuild and coming off a great draft. How the hell can you say it hasn’t worked out? We’re nowhere near knowing if this is true.

He went pointless for an entire calendar month and Hughes the genius GM who you adore didn’t send him down.

The whole team went pointless for a calendar month. Why would you expect an 18 year old who we’re playing in the third line to be any different?

As for Hughes (who I apparently adore) I’ve said several times that I think he made a mistake rushing him. Esp since we played him in the bottom six. Made no sense to me at all.

So Hughes in only two years manages to reach Bergevin’s end game: hope and pray for a deus ex machina to get the Habs out of Loser Team orbit.

He’s done the opposite of MB. Immediately traded for a good young center (they are not available- remember?) traded vets for picks and chosen a direction.

Hughes hired a great coach who saved CC from the scrap heap of DD. And I don’t remember him going out and getting Prust, Murray, Bouillion type guys.

He’s been the total opposite of MB. The fact that you’d suggest it’s the same thing is simply more trolling on your part. It’s a schtick and I’m going to keep calling you out on it.

Sorry for offending you.

????

Outside of Caufield we have zero uniquely interesting players. 60-odd point Suzuki and 50-odd point Dach are found on every team in the league — even Arizona has Clayton Keller (far better than any Habs player).

Of course other teams have a Kirby Dach and probably a Slaf. So what? Not many teams have the volume of quality prospects we do.

Again, we don’t know what we have in some of these players. But we’ve got a lot of interesting players. Some aren’t going to pan out but some are.

If they improve the analysis will change, let’s hope they improve.

Busts are only bitter if you feel entitled to the success of the prospect. If you approach prospects without entitlement you don’t suffer the ignominy of being defeated by them.

I repeat: Outside of Hutson and Reinbacher we do not have interesting prospects.

If they improve the analysis will change?

Everyone knows this. But that’s not how you judge a prospect pool TODAY. Yes the Canadiens lack the sure-thing superstar I’d like to have. And yeah other teams have some prospects as good or better than ours.

But there aren’t many teams with the volume of high quality prospects that we’ve got. Some of them won’t make it, some will overachieve and I suspect that some will be used as trade currency.

To sit there and dismiss it by saying “every team has a Kirby Dach coming up” well okay yeah, you’re right. But how many teams have the blueline group that we do coming up to go along with Dach, Slaf, Roy….

Cheers thanks for the chat.

Don’t worry, I’m not going anywhere.

And nobody is suggesting this teams going to start winning cups anytime soon. There are holes to be addressed. But we’re midway through a rebuild. What do you expect?

Welcome to rebuilding. We’ve been clamouring for it for years. This is what it looks like.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I'd say those are respectable points, but I also think that Subban and Price showed us that having a star goalie and defenseman just isn't enough. You need those guys who can score the clutch goal when you need it. You need that offensive superstar.

You're not wrong on the reclamation projects or the Jack Eichel-type situations, but those really are few and far between. Rangers don't seem to be willing to give up on Laf, nor should they really. The draft really is where you usually get those guys. I really think we blew it on this one.

I think it’s worth noting that we have far greater potential in our forward group now than we did in the PK/Price era.

Caufield has greater potential than Patches (though MAYBE a different story after the Character incident and Letang thing). Very interested to see Caufield’s gpg compared with superstars at the same age. We’ve hardly seen the best of him yet. I don’t see any reason why Caufield can’t be THAT guy.

It’s not like he and Suzuki are surrounded by bums. How surprised would anyone be if Dach’s as good as Suzuki? Newhook had a better freshman year than Caufield. He’s a question mark but a high pedigree 22 year old one. Not a 24 year old or a Shinkaruk like reclamation project.

Even if Slaf is only a 2nd liner he’d still be a great add. It would be horrific draft value but could still be an important piece. I think he can be better than that but 2nd liner is still a more reasonable projection than a worst case 3rd liner scenario.

Then you still got Heineman/Roy/Ferell to round it out. Again question mark-y but Roy has world class skill and you can’t find anyone who doesn’t like Heineman. Ferell still has plenty of time and plenty of intriguing upside. We’re talking about the 6th spot in a top 6 here. Not like we’re talking about hoping these guys can be a ppg elite 1 st liner.

I think we should go full home run swing on a forward next draft but if we won a cup with what we have forward wise I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I think it’s worth noting that we have far greater potential in our forward group now than we did in the PK/Price era.

Caufield has greater potential than Patches (though MAYBE a different story after the Character incident and Letang thing). Very interested to see Caufield’s gpg compared with superstars at the same age. We’ve hardly seen the best of him yet. I don’t see any reason why Caufield can’t be THAT guy.

It’s not like he and Suzuki are surrounded by bums. How surprised would anyone be if Dach’s as good as Suzuki? Newhook had a better freshman year than Caufield. He’s a question mark but a high pedigree 22 year old one. Not a 24 year old or a Shinkaruk like reclamation project.

Even if Slaf is only a 2nd liner he’d still be a great add. It would be horrific draft value but could still be an important piece. I think he can be better than that but 2nd liner is still a more reasonable projection than a worst case 3rd liner scenario.

Then you still got Heineman/Roy/Ferell to round it out. Again question mark-y but Roy has world class skill and you can’t find anyone who doesn’t like Heineman. Ferell still has plenty of time and plenty of intriguing upside. We’re talking about the 6th spot in a top 6 here. Not like we’re talking about hoping these guys can be a ppg elite 1 st liner.

I think we should go full home run swing on a forward next draft but if we won a cup with what we have forward wise I wouldn’t be surprised.

If you look at the possible top 6 based on the names you just quoted.

Suzuki-Caufield-X
Dach-Slaf-Newhook
(example)

I just don't think that gets you to any kind of promised land. It's missing the biggest piece imo.

Caufield is great as a component, but he's suuuuper one-dimensional. Whenever he's not scoring, he's almost a net negative out there because he can't really do much else. Pacioretty at least had some defense to his game if we're comparing the two, but Caufield is a better pure scorer.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think it’s worth noting that we have far greater potential in our forward group now than we did in the PK/Price era.

Caufield has greater potential than Patches (though MAYBE a different story after the Character incident and Letang thing). Very interested to see Caufield’s gpg compared with superstars at the same age. We’ve hardly seen the best of him yet. I don’t see any reason why Caufield can’t be THAT guy.

It’s not like he and Suzuki are surrounded by bums. How surprised would anyone be if Dach’s as good as Suzuki? Newhook had a better freshman year than Caufield. He’s a question mark but a high pedigree 22 year old one. Not a 24 year old or a Shinkaruk like reclamation project.

Even if Slaf is only a 2nd liner he’d still be a great add. It would be horrific draft value but could still be an important piece. I think he can be better than that but 2nd liner is still a more reasonable projection than a worst case 3rd liner scenario.

Then you still got Heineman/Roy/Ferell to round it out. Again question mark-y but Roy has world class skill and you can’t find anyone who doesn’t like Heineman. Ferell still has plenty of time and plenty of intriguing upside. We’re talking about the 6th spot in a top 6 here. Not like we’re talking about hoping these guys can be a ppg elite 1 st liner.

I think we should go full home run swing on a forward next draft but if we won a cup with what we have forward wise I wouldn’t be surprised.

Did we think Price would be as good as he became? Or Subban? When you stockpile picks, some will pan out over time. We just need to keep drafting and developing.

I agree with you on CC. I think he’s a legit first liner and has the possibility of turning into something very special… but we have to wait and see.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If you look at the possible top 6 based on the names you just quoted.

Suzuki-Caufield-X
Dach-Slaf-Newhook
(example)

I just don't think that gets you to any kind of promised land. It's missing the biggest piece imo.

I think you’re right. But we’re still in the middle of a rebuild. Going forward I suspect we’ll be all in on forwards because our D looks set.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

If you look at the possible top 6 based on the names you just quoted.

Suzuki-Caufield-X
Dach-Slaf-Newhook
(example)

I just don't think that gets you to any kind of promised land. It's missing the biggest piece imo.

Caufield is great as a component, but he's suuuuper one-dimensional. Whenever he's not scoring, he's almost a net negative out there because he can't really do much else. Pacioretty at least had some defense to his game if we're comparing the two, but Caufield is a better pure scorer.

Caufield still has more to show imo. He has the pedigree to be one of the best goal scorers in the league. His playmaking hasn’t surfaced but it’s there. If it comes to fruition look out.

If Suzuki has the wingers he’ll put up big points.

I personally think Slaf can be a helluva player but he obviously has a ton of work to do.

Dach can easily be a 1b or even a 1a.

Newhook’s a wild card but again a high potential one.

I also see it in the context of a D core that could be truly fantastic. If the D wasn’t loaded then I would be more cynical.

Hutson has the potential to boost a lot of these guys’ numbers himself.

It’s not like I’m opposed to adding a franchise winger but I just think there’s a chance we don’t have to.

I’m not 100% on that but I’m pretty high on the potential. I realize I’m in the minority and I’m certainly not yelling at people who don’t agree with me. I can very easily be wrong.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Caufield still has more to show imo. He has the pedigree to be one of the best goal scorers in the league. His playmaking hasn’t surfaced but it’s there. If it comes to fruition look out.

If Suzuki has the wingers he’ll put up big points.

I personally think Slaf can be a helluva player but he obviously has a ton of work to do.

Dach can easily be a 1b or even a 1a.

Newhook’s a wild card but again a high potential one.

I also see it in the context of a D core that could be truly fantastic. If the D wasn’t loaded then I would be more cynical.

Hutson has the potential to boost a lot of these guys’ numbers himself.

It’s not like I’m opposed to adding a franchise winger but I just think there’s a chance we don’t have to.

I’m not 100% on that but I’m pretty high on the potential. I realize I’m in the minority and I’m certainly not yelling at people who don’t agree with me. I can very easily be wrong.

Much has been made of CC’s lack of assists but honestly he was fine in that department when the team was scoring. When it dropped off he scored a third of the club’s goals. He was making passes same as before but we couldn’t score.

He’s never going to be an Yzerman type guy but he could very well be a consistent 50 plus goal scorer and point per game player. In my books that would qualify as a superstar player.