Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[BenchBrawl]

In my opinion, there is a 50/50 chance he turns out not as good as Caufield.

80/20 MM surpasses CC in my book

 

[salbutera]

As far as I recall, price and Rask were considered the two best goalies in that draft by the amateur scouting community and some guys had Rask listed ahead of price as well.

It's was a ballsy pick at #5, but considering Brule was the general choice at that rank, that's a score for management.

Actually, I think habs brass were deciding between Marc Staal and price, so they almost got it wrong too, but it's the final selection that matters and they got it right.

Benoit Pouliot was their target, Price second on their list - per Bob Gainey on Mitch Melnick’s show last year

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

My take (and nothing crazy either): Habs didn’t pick who they thought was the best player but rather the player they project as most likely able to help them win in the long run.
There is a difference which some fans don’t seem to understand.

Maybe this is not the best example but take Pietrangelo vs Marner. One is a 45 point complete 2-way D and the other is 100 points elite offensive forward.
Most fans would say “oh Marner is the better choice!”, but come playoff time, who actually helps their team win and go deep?

Good point but something else : will ever Michkov approach Marner's number in NHL?
It's fun to laught about Marner cuz he's a leaf and we traditionally laught at leafs and brruins .
2 teams we love to hate and ridiculize. All to say that Marner no matter you don't like him did his 100 pts and he's not a projection of what a player can become. If Michkov he reach 70% of Marner's numbers Flyers will be happy. Can we go step by step? First Michkov have to prove he's better than Galchenyuk and after we'll compare him to Kariya and Koivu.

 

[JianYang]

Benoit Pouliot was their target, Price second on their list - per Bob Gainey on Mitch Melnick’s show last year

I think pouliot was already taken before, though. They could no longer target him.

 

[salbutera]

I think pouliot was already taken before, though.

Yup - that’s why they went with Price, he was 2nd on their list because Rollie the goalie had convinced the org he was generational

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

80/20 MM surpasses CC in my book

CC is the real deal. Already in the NHL.
CC a much better skater.
Michkov not a better snyper than CC.
CC already compete nhl level.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think many fans are upset at the WHY - as in why did the Habs not want to draft Michkov. It's not like he fell, he went at 7. Why, given our situation and context, was he deemed by the geniuses Lapointe and Bobrov to be not good enough for the Habs? That's the question that rankles people. Maybe there's a good answer for it, or maybe not. That's the controversy as I see it.

For the xième time, Michkov comes with pluses and minuses and question marks:

Pros:

really great shot​

very good vision​

good dangling​

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Cons:

average at best NHL speed​

small frame​

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Situationals:

wingers are generally less valuable than Cs and Ds​

plus already have a small sniping winger, Caufield​

club not sure its RD prospects had 1st pair potential due to defensive question marks​

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Uncertainties:

3 years left on KHL contract​

geopolitical climate is murky​

drive to improve his game versus manoevering to be in better situations​

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I think pouliot was already taken before, though. They could no longer target him.

poulliot before Kopitar, OMG. The baloney sandwich before the T-Bone steak and fries.

 

[JianYang]

Yup - that’s why they went with Price, he was 2nd on their list because Rollie the goalie had convinced the org he was generational

We know price was first on their list based on whoever was left. I'd assume Crosby was number 1....after that, I don't know how they rated bobby Ryan as compared to pouliot for example.

The context is about who was remaining at 5, and I recall that Staal was right there with price for the Habs brass.

 

[Garo]

The point is we cannot do post-hoc rationalization of their moves. According to them, they took the best prospect they could at every pick -- it wasn't a priority to focus on the "transition game" rather than scoring that led to them taking Reinbacher. If one of the top4 was available they would've taken that guy instead of Reinbacher. They had Reinbacher ahead of Michkov.

Some fans (not me, necessarily because I feel like I know why) are outraged at this and acting out. They will simmer down and cheer for Reinbacher should the time come.

But, no that still makes no sense. They've invested a lot in making our defence better in transition, from drafting to the system MSL favours. It not being the only priority is perfectly normal considering we're almost starting from scratch, but it doesn't make any less of one.

If we picked Smith or Fantilli or Carlsson instead, they would still fit obvious and important needs with immense value. But we couldn't, and Reinbacher is a potential solution at our multiple seasons RD woes while fitting in the concept they imagine for our defensive corps. If that says they had him above Michkov, well obviously, but it's strange to ignore the very consistent logic they are establishing here.

poulliot before Kopitar, OMG. The baloney sandwich before the T-Bone steak and fries.

It was very common at the time of the draft, and honestly you could say it was questionable, Pouliot had underwhelming production and basically kept the same issues for his whole career.

 

[BenchBrawl]

CC is the real deal. Already in the NHL.
CC a much better skater.
Michkov not a better snyper than CC.
CC already compete nhl level.

Mixhkov is a better skater.

He has excellent mobility and changes of directions and subtle changes of gears.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I do like how passing on michkov falls directly on Montreal's shoulders, for this will be the first draft year in history where the top 4 picks live up to their pre draft forecasts

 

[David Suzuki]

That’s honestly kind of cool that Molson cares enough to go and greet him like that.

Habs PR masterclass turning Reinbacher into a fan favourite. Chantal earning her money for sure.

 

[Runner77]

I do like how passing on michkov falls directly on Montreal's shoulders, for this will be the first draft year in history where the top 4 picks live up to their pre draft forecasts

You must be from the future.

 

[tnq]

Benoit Pouliot was their target, Price second on their list - per Bob Gainey on Mitch Melnick’s show last year

I remember Pouliot was their choice but he was not available at 5th so btw Price and Brule, they took the right one

 

[Frank Drebin]

You must be from the future.

I am embarrassed of all of my current takes, I know they are wrong but I still cant help myself

 

[Runner77]

Habs PR masterclass turning Reinbacher into a fan favourite. Chantal earning her money for sure.

More like a damage control master class. As @dinodebino argued, they should have known better with this fanbase and how idiots were bound to come out of the woodwork.

Idiots were plenty available as they’ve not had reason to overturn police vehicles downtown for quite some time.

 

[David Suzuki]

More like a damage control master class. As @dinodebino argued, they should have known better with this fanbase and how idiots were bound to come out of the woodwork.

Idiots were plenty available as they’ve not had reason to overturn police vehicles downtown for quite some time.

Why? They got the player they wanted and the fanbase is now largely supportive of it. Seems like a win win for them.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

As far as I recall, price and Rask were considered the two best goalies in that draft by the amateur scouting community and some guys had Rask listed ahead of price as well.

It's was a ballsy pick at #5, but considering Brule was the general choice at that rank, that's a score for management.

Actually, I think habs brass were deciding between Marc Staal and price, so they almost got it wrong too, but it's the final selection that matters and they got it right.

Not a word on that center who did 1141 pts, won 2 SC, Selke and Lady Bing winner. Who cares about Brulé today. He wasn't my choice at all, I never considered him more than 2 seconds, just before I saw his file on internet.
Having Kopitar we wouldn't trade McDonagh to get Gomez. We probably won a Cup with Kopitar, Kovalev, and Koivu. Also Markov, Plekanec, Halak, McDonagh, Subban, Hamrlik, Streit, Paccioretty, A. Koststisyn, Cole or Tanguay.

This is 3 good centers exactly at the right chairs : Kopitar 1, Koivu 2, Pleks 3
You can't have better 1-2-3 than these 3. Unless you're the Wings of their best years.

 

[Runner77]

Why? They got the player they wanted and the fanbase is now largely supportive of it. Seems like a win win for them.

That’s quite the blanket statement. A fan’s autographed book doesn’t change the fact that there is a hoarde of crazies posing as Habs fans and the org. should have seen it coming.

Win/ win for who? It’s too early to tell what will become of these prospects at this time. I’ll reserve judgment until both Reinbacher and Michkov arrive at the NHL level and have had a significant sample size of games. Doesn’t mean any of us don’t want to see Reinbacher succeed, even if we are not material to his success.

 

[David Suzuki]

That’s quite the blanket statement. A fan’s autographed book doesn’t change the fact that there is a hoarde of crazies posing as Habs fans and the org. should have seen it coming.

Win/ win for who? It’s too early to tell what will become of these prospects at this time. I’ll reserve judgment until both Reinbacher and Michkov arrive at the NHL level and have had a significant sample size of games. Doesn’t mean any of us don’t want to see Reinbacher succeed, even if we are not material to his success.

I'm not gonna spend anytime arguing with you. The tone has very clearly changed from draft night/thursday morning and a lot of it is because of their use of the media to project their message for the fans to calm down.

 

[HuGort]

It absolutely should rock him though. It's completely disgusting.

This just smacks of an attempt to downgrade it, and we really should not do that.

That's only drop in the bucket to media pressure here

 

[Runner77]

I'm not gonna spend anytime arguing with you. The tone has very clearly changed from draft night/thursday morning and a lot of it is because of their use of the media to project their message for the fans to calm down.

Not my intent to argue with you or anyone else.

I just find that @dinodebino as a comms specialist made several compelling arguments in respect of how the Habs handled the situation and I’ll humbly defer to his comments as he’s stated it better than I could have.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Frank Drebin]

That's only drop in the bucket to media pressure here

He'll be fine, but he's still only 18. Those clowns pissed all over the best day of this kids life

 

[CHwest]

Why is cheering for Reinbacher mutually exclusive from having wished for Michkov?

I find both can co-exist. I don’t need to reject one in order to appreciate the other.

Plus, we won’t know the end result of this either way, so management can keep on massaging it as they wish, it means squat.

A wise man moves on from what he cannot change.