Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[sandviper]

I usually agree with you Dino but not here

It was pretty clear that they where not taking Michkov, some just didn’t want to see the truth

I’m just as puzzled TBH. Many podcasts, analysts, public scouts and even anyone who can just simply read between the lines the days leading up to the draft could see Michkov was more likely NOT to be picked. I know, it wasn’t 100% for certain but while I was initially disappointed, I wasn’t surprised.

Anyhow, I’ve fully come around to the pick and am glad we picked Reinbacher.

 

[BenchBrawl]

They tried to leak it but they did it all wrong. They tried to do it by disparaging Michkov, but they underestimated how much a large % of the fanbase loved him and wanted him.

They should have inundated the articles with Reinbacher praise and stuff instead, and how much the brass loves him.

The mistake was this: They leaked they weren't picking Michkov, not that they were picking Reinbacher. It's not a good look, and gives ammunition to all of us who thought the decision was corporate cowardice.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I’m just as puzzled TBH. Many podcasts, analysts, public scouts and even anyone who can just simply read between the lines the days leading up to the draft could see Michkov was more likely NOT to be picked. I know, it wasn’t 100% for certain but while I was initially disappointed, I wasn’t surprised.

Anyhow, I’ve fully come around to the pick and am glad we picked Reinbacher.

Yeah, everything I listened to and read told me the Habs weren't drafting Michkov. I suppose they could have rented billboard space to make it more obvious?

 

[sandviper]

It absolutely should rock him though. It's completely disgusting.

This just smacks of an attempt to downgrade it, and we really should not do that.

Exactly. This isn’t just “you suck”

These were horrible personal attacks that are uncalled for and shouldn’t be tolerated. It was literally just minutes after fulfilling a lifelong dream and suddenly a small segment of the fan base put on their idiot hats and attacked a kid.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Exactly. This isn’t just “you suck”

These were horrible personal attacks that are uncalled for and shouldn’t be tolerated. It was literally just minutes after fulfilling a lifelong dream and suddenly a small segment of the fan base put on their idiot hats and attacked a kid.

Plebe is gonna plebe.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

People compared Slafkovsky to Jagr as well. People say silly things, you should try to keep an even keel.

Timmins was great to compare his picks to actual players. He compared Andrei Kostitsyn to Peter Bondra. And Grabovsky to Datsyuk. He did that !!!

 

[ReHabs]

Yeah, everything I listened to and read told me the Habs weren't drafting Michkov. I suppose they could have rented billboard space to make it more obvious?

I think many fans are upset at the WHY - as in why did the Habs not want to draft Michkov. It's not like he fell, he went at 7. Why, given our situation and context, was he deemed by the geniuses Lapointe and Bobrov to be not good enough for the Habs? That's the question that rankles people. Maybe there's a good answer for it, or maybe not. That's the controversy as I see it.

 

[ReHabs]

But it was... that's why we spent two high picks on defencemen that are excellent at it.

I truly do not get your take here.

The point is we cannot do post-hoc rationalization of their moves. According to them, they took the best prospect they could at every pick -- it wasn't a priority to focus on the "transition game" rather than scoring that led to them taking Reinbacher. If one of the top4 was available they would've taken that guy instead of Reinbacher. They had Reinbacher ahead of Michkov.

Some fans (not me, necessarily because I feel like I know why) are outraged at this and acting out. They will simmer down and cheer for Reinbacher should the time come.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I think many fans are upset at the WHY - as in why did the Habs not want to draft Michkov. It's not like he fell, he went at 7. Why, given our situation and context, was he deemed by the geniuses Lapointe and Bobrov to be hot good enough for the Habs? That's the question that rankles people. Maybe there's a good answer for it, or maybe not. That's the controversy as I see it.

Reinbacher played about as well as Leo Carlsson in Europe as a RHD. I think it's just a case that the Habs (and many others) see Reinbacher as in that same tier as Leo Carlsson. Leo Carlsson went #2 Adam Fantilli went #3 after that I think the Habs take David Reinbacher at #4. Rock solid pick - they got the guy they wanted.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You gonna tell me now that people were not saying he was a slam dunk guaranteed superstar? Come on now that's revisionist history.

You're the one doing revisionism with your ridiculous strawman

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Yeah I know. The person says he's good at breakout passes but not a PMD. I think he's confusing PMD with PP QB but I was just trying to figure that out.

He will learn to become a PP QB when he will be 22.

 

[ReHabs]

Reinbacher played about as well as Leo Carlsson in Europe as a RHD. I think it's just a case that the Habs (and many others) see Reinbacher as in that same tier as Leo Carlsson. Leo Carlsson went #2 Adam Fantilli went #3 after that I think the Habs take David Reinbacher at #4. Rock solid pick - they got the guy they wanted.

There is simply no evidence of any of this and your first assertion is wacky -- they didn't play in the same league or the same circumstances whatsoever. There isn't just a single "Europe" league.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Plebe is gonna plebe.

Ha! You'd be surprised

Every strata has its bonafide braindead nut jobs

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

He's a mix of P.K. Subban and Andrei Markov. The best of both worlds.

I think he will become a Desjardins with much better skating. PK without the crazy risks he was always taking. A more sobre PK and he will last longer physicly. PK stopped around 30. DR will last until 37.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You gonna tell me now that people were not saying he was a slam dunk guaranteed superstar? Come on now that's revisionist history.

Michkov is no longer generational. He's just a consistent 50-50 guy now.

 

[Jack Skellington]

There is simply no evidence of any of this and your first assertion is wacky -- they didn't play in the same league or the same circumstances whatsoever. There isn't just a single "Europe" league.

I appreciate that you are polite and civil with your messages, but good god man you have some serious endurance for arguing. I truly don’t know how you keep it up.

Hey, maybe they made the wrong pick, who knows. We won’t have much of an answer for at least 3 or 4 years so why not discuss the player we have? Maybe talk about actual hockey instead of constantly complaining about management? Who cares about a bunch of guys in suits? This is a hockey forum where like 30 percent of the posts are actually about hockey.

 

[JianYang]

I was a Price supporter, still think it was the pick to make but I remember at the time people were complaining that Kopitar + Quick was better.

Looking back, they were right. It has nothing to do with cherry-picking since right after the draft that is what some were complaining about.

As far as I recall, price and Rask were considered the two best goalies in that draft by the amateur scouting community and some guys had Rask listed ahead of price as well.

It's was a ballsy pick at #5, but considering Brule was the general choice at that rank, that's a score for management.

Actually, I think habs brass were deciding between Marc Staal and price, so they almost got it wrong too, but it's the final selection that matters and they got it right.

 

[waffledave]

You're the one doing revisionism with your ridiculous strawman

Dude when I have the time I'll fish out the posts. It's actually pissing me off you're denying people were saying this about Michkov.

 

[Andrei79]

There is simply no evidence of any of this and your first assertion is wacky -- they didn't play in the same league or the same circumstances whatsoever. There isn't just a single "Europe" league.

How would you qualify how Reinbacher played this year ?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Dude when I have the time I'll fish out the posts. It's actually pissing me off you're denying people were saying this about Michkov.

One person. Not people.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Hutson wasn't a first round pick. It's a long-shot prospect, the kind of homerun swing I think we all love to see. It's very cool to have him immediately become our blue chip prospect but he wasn't drafted with an excruciatingly difficult to attain lottery pick. In 2022 Slafkovsky was not the only option at 1, nor Wright. So far it looks like the Habs were wrong to have narrowed it down to those two. If a smooth transition game was so important in 2023, it should've been accounted for in 2022 as well.

I think it's BS post-hoc justification of a controversial decision. The Habs thought Reinbacher's prospect profile was better than Michkov's and they went with that. If they had Smith available at 5 they would've likely taken Smith the soft, unidimensional forward. It has nothing to do with "building out of the defence" or 'preferring to put the fundamentals of a transition game in place' or whatever rationalization we will hear in the days and weeks to come. They simply thought Reinbacher was the best pick at that position. It's perfectly fine for them to think so -- I don't even dislike the pick -- but the strategy at play is the same YOU'VE criticised or doubted in recent days so I'm not sure why the disagreeable tone with me yet again.

As for Reinbacher, four teams skipped on Reinbacher too. He wasn't a consensus best prospect. Look at 5OA picks of the last X years, a lot of busts there. It's perfectly valid to express hope for a prospect (as we all do) but to trash other prospects and act entitled to the success of our own is laughable -- ours can bust too!! Every prospect can bust.

As for Hughes... he gets fired and he picks up his stuff and goes onto his next gig, much like Bergevin did. You know exactly what I mean, so why play coy? The only long-term stakeholders in the Habs are us, who've outlasted every GM and coach and player and owner and will outlast the current ones too. If they whiffed on the Slaf pick and the Reinbacher pick it will hurt us a lot more than it hurts them. It's part of being a fan vs being a pro.

Why is Smith a soft, unidimensional forward but Michkov is not?

 

[jrom]

You're the one doing revisionism with your ridiculous strawman

We must not be reading the same forum then.
Multiple people on this board were calling him a generational player, a #1OA if Bedard wasn’t available, best Russian prospect since Ovi/Malkin (and with better stats), a star player with a shot at the Richard, etc and I’m ignoring the “he’s even better then Bedard”.

 

[BaseballCoach]

This is what I believe yes.

The next Guy Lafleur, in the sense of the first offensive superstar since Flower. Probably not as good though, but who knows.

In my opinion, there is a 50/50 chance he turns out not as good as Caufield.

 

[BenchBrawl]

We must not be reading the same forum then.
Multiple people on this board were calling him a generational player, a #1OA if Bedard wasn’t available, best Russian prospect since Ovi/Malkin (and with better stats), a star player with a shot at the Richard, etc and I’m ignoring the “he’s even better then Bedard”.

Far from an unreasonable belief.

 

[Runner77]

The point is we cannot do post-hoc rationalization of their moves. According to them, they took the best prospect they could at every pick -- it wasn't a priority to focus on the "transition game" rather than scoring that led to them taking Reinbacher. If one of the top4 was available they would've taken that guy instead of Reinbacher. They had Reinbacher ahead of Michkov.

Some fans (not me, necessarily because I feel like I know why) are outraged at this and acting out. They will simmer down and cheer for Reinbacher should the time come.

Why is cheering for Reinbacher mutually exclusive from having wished for Michkov?

I find both can co-exist. I don’t need to reject one in order to appreciate the other.

Plus, we won’t know the end result of this either way, so management can keep on massaging it as they wish, it means squat.