Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[rahad]

Think the hate would be at a minimal at pick #18 had we selected Kreider over Leblanc??

That’s what happens when you draft to please the outsiders…..draft who YOU think is best and live with those consequences

They would not have left the arena alive. Wish a better french player has available on that year. Leblanc has our average player with out any special skill.

 

[Scriptor]

PK ran a PP just fine.

When did PK run the PP?

 

[DAChampion]

When did PK run the PP?

Maybe 2011-2012 with Hamrlik?

 

[Scriptor]

Maybe 2011-2012 with Hamrlik?

It's hard to remember. PK, in Juniors, IMO, was amore rounded D, able to really run the PP. He was a good playmaker and didn't rely on his bomb from the blue line for the showmanship it carried.

A bit like when he played with Hal Gill in the Spring ion Hala, before he won his Norris Trophy and went full Subannator.

Passes, wrist shots that made it to the net for second chances...

However, I don't recall him really taking on the general's duties at the blue line at the NHL level with the Habs.

He was definitely capable of doing it, but, after winning the Norris, Subban streamlined his style of play and was not the complete D g=he could have been had he chosen to be.

 

[26Mats]

Some (many) of his opinions are annoying, but Grant McCagg correctly predicted we would draft Reinbacher:

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Some arguments to spark a bit conversation:

1) Reinbacher is relately unknown due to his background (not only being Austrian but playing in the 2nd division league in Switzerland before that; a league that is not scouted whatsoever according to Arpon Basu). Is it possible we are underrating his ceiling? We all know that defensemen take longer to develop but at the same time this is a defenseman who is already excelling and getting reps in one of the toughest league in the world playing against men. I wouldn't be surprised if when Reinbacher comes over, he'll open up eyes the same way Guhle did this season. I wouldn't be pissed if Reinbacher turns into a Roman Hamrlik for this team which is what I picture when Hughes describes his ceiling as #2 who won't be getting top PP minutes (which makes sense when you take into account Mailloux/Hutson's strengths and also Matheson being in the way).

2) His 22 points may be underwhelming outside of context but he wasn't that far off from the defenseman getting the main PP minutes (8 points behind) and this is behind a seasoned 27 year old veteran who was productive the year before in SHL so dislodging such a veteran would have been no easy feat. The interesting part after that is that he was tied for 6th in scoring on his team with a forward, the next D after that had 14 pts and was part winger part D according to EliteProspects. Next pure D sits at 9 points. Outside their top 3 scorers who all have 40+ points a piece, the scoring seemed to pretty bare on that team. Reinbacher ranked in the top 25 Dmen for scoring in NLA. The next Dmen under 20 had 13 points. The youngest Dmen ahead of him in scoring is 24... They were also 4th worst team in the league scoring so for a player who got most of his points at 5 on 5, not bad by any means.

3) Now to the point of contention and one of the main arguments in favor of Michkov about this team's lack of pure offensive talent in the last decades. Is this sad? Yes. Does this lack of arbitrary number explain our lack of success? I wouldn't exactly say so. Having a Panarin in Montreal wouldn't make a difference with his ghost act and lack of playoff success in the big Apple. I do believe that Montreal's approach is the right one. A strong defense is definitely a key ingredient to a winning team and that's been true countless times besides for the Penguins when they won.

With the style of play MSL preaches and way he wants his guys to play, I think the days of Montreal not having a PPG player are nearly over. With the scoring the way it is, I don't have doubts that Caufield can sniff 50 goals in the NHL. Suzuki finished the year with 66 points while Caufield was missing for half the year.

This was how Suzuki spent his time on ice at 5 on 5 beside the minutes he spent with Dach and Cole.
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No offense to these players but they're worse than the wingers Koivu was given in his prime. Considering Suzuki started off with 24 points in the 21st GP and managed to finish with 18 points in 20 GP. I don't have trouble imagining that Suzuki can get 75-80 points next year. The fact that Matheson found his groove definitely makes things promising as well. I'm also a believer in Dach's potential and I'm not overlooking what Newhook could possibly bring on the wing compared to the some of the experiments that were done this year with the likes of Pitlick, Gurianov, Armia etc.

 

[Scriptor]

Yeah, Reinbacher have a great style of play. He is very good at D, but he show that he can be really good at offensive zone aswell. He is not Makar, but he can skate with the puck. Can't wait to see him with Habs!

Reminds me of Weber from his earlier years, when his skating was better. Can move the puck, can play shutdown D, good shot from the point (not exactly like Weber, but good and, especially able to hit the net regularly).

 

[CHwest]

Sports executives famously never get anything wrong because they spend so much time doing their job.

Of course they do, it is difficult to try and figure out where a 17yr old boy will end up, that doesn't just apply to hockey either. But I am convinced they have far more information than the vast majority of us on the board.

 

[1909]

When was the last time a majority of Habs fans were satisfied with the club's first round pick ? Or any other later picks for that matter ?

Of course, we have not been spoiled over the last decade. I think Caufield's was the most popular, and even then. We had big concerns about his size. I know, I did.

 

[waffledave]

I’m sure he is, they just preferred Reinbacher, they even preferred Reinbacher to Leonard and they had a chance to extensively scout both….that’s saying something

People here were saying Michkov was a absolute slam dunk guarantee 120 point superstar Guy Lafleur. I swear to f***ing god someone claimed his floor was a 100 point player.

 

[ReHabs]

Some (many) of his opinions are annoying, but Grant McCagg correctly predicted we would draft Reinbacher:

He also said Michkov wouldn't be drafted in the first round, and later he said Michkov wouldn't be drafted in the top10.

People here were saying Michkov was a absolute slam dunk guarantee 120 point superstar Guy Lafleur. I swear to f***ing god someone claimed his floor was a 100 point player.

People compared Slafkovsky to Jagr as well. People say silly things, you should try to keep an even keel.

I do believe that Montreal's approach is the right one. A strong defense is definitely a key ingredient to a winning team and that's been true countless times besides for the Penguins when they won.

Other than Chicago, Tampa, Colorado, Pittsburgh, and Vegas -- and the nine Cups between them you mean.

 

[jaffy27]

People compared Slafkovsky to Jagr as well. People say silly things, you should try to keep an even keel.

I don’t remember that one….do you have a link or was it just some random poster on HF?

 

[Scriptor]

Try Josh Gorges if you want an idea of his game at the NHL level: a player with no definable standout skill whom coaches love and allow to eat up minutes.

Good lord. This is Slafkovsky all over again.

Glad you're not a scout for the Habs. The comparison is so far off it is ridiculous.

 

[26Mats]

He also said Michkov wouldn't be drafted in the first round, and later he said Michkov wouldn't be drafted in the top10.

He also said the Habs wouldn't draft Michkov because they aren't drafting Russians this year.

 

[ReHabs]

I don’t remember that one….do you have a link or was it just some random poster on HF?

Go to town, brother

Search results for query: Slafkovsky Jagr

forums.hfboards.com

You can also search "Slafkovsky Rantanen", "Slafkovsky Rick Nash", etc.

I found a post of mine where I listed all the comparables I had heard last summer. A great time, I miss it. Prospect Info: - [2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 2

 

[Runner77]

Simashev and Willander can’t run a PP and ASP can’t PK. Michkov won’t PK, Leonard won’t run a PP. I mean we have to work within the parameters of this draft. If Reinbacher was perfect, he’d have gone 2.

Post has zero to do with the reason for the original rebuttal. You’re even bringing Michkov’s defensive shortcomings into this. Did you forget the kitchen sink?

 

[Runner77]

I’m sure he is, they just preferred Reinbacher, they even preferred Reinbacher to Leonard and they had a chance to extensively scout both….that’s saying something

It’s just saying that they followed their list, which all of their scouts agreed with.

Unity in harmony.

 

[Vachon23]

I don't remember fans hating Guhle selection. He has also selected #16 vs #5

 

[1909]

Habs had an interview with Michkov. Bobrov was there for sure and he possibly exchanged few words-questions in their native language. I am sure Bobrov had a better feeling about the kid than all those others in the room.

 

[Habs]

He also said Michkov wouldn't be drafted in the first round, and later he said Michkov wouldn't be drafted in the top10.


People compared Slafkovsky to Jagr as well. People say silly things, you should try to keep an even keel.


Other than Chicago, Tampa, Colorado, Pittsburgh, and Vegas -- and the nine Cups between them you mean.

McCagg looks like the guy who works in the plumbing isles at Home Depot, I don't trust him much.

 

[1909]

McCagg looks like the guy who works in the plumbing isles at Home Depot, I don't trust him much.

Right. he thought Geekie from Winnipeg should had been #1 OA. LOL !

 

[Scriptor]

Cute.

What's Paul Byron's role with the team now?

 

[jaffy27]

When was the last time a majority of Habs fans were satisfied with the club's first round pick ? Or any other later picks for that matter ?

Of course, we have not been spoiled over the last decade. I think Caufield's was the most popular, and even then. We had big concerns about his size. I know, I did.

The pick was good, but then some posters clamouring that Hughes drove that line and essentially Caufield was Bernie Nichols with Gretzky

So much for that theory

 

[ReHabs]

Habs had an interview with Michkov. Bobrov was there for sure and he possibly exchanged few words-questions in their native language. I am sure Bobrov had a better feeling about the kid than all those others in the room.

The Flyers beat writer said Michkov's retinue told him he intends to enter the NHL next year. He deleted his tweets out of respect to Michkov and his current contract situation but the fact remains he didn't retract that comment. Meanwhile Bobrov, with his connections to SKA and Russian background, mumbled that Michkov had too many unknowns and was three years away.

I think Bobrov & Cie. had zero intention to draft Michkov and very little interest in the guy. With the top4 and Reinbacher, they didn't bother thinking about Michkov. It says a lot about Reinbacher and how he's seen by the Habs... if it wasn't for Hughes openly calling him a "D-2". I mean, it's all so undercooked we can't give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Belial]

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