Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[MarioLeMoose]

Still wouldn’t have been my selection at 5, but given all the backlash the kid received I’m heavily rooting for him.

Think a big part of what made him the pick is how quickly he can join the core. There was a lot of talk about adding guys who fit the timeline, and Reinbacher was certainly one of the most advanced guys in the draft. Really do hope this means we see him sooner than later, hopefully AHL this year, and then he, Mailloux and Hutson can join big squad the year after.

That is a very exciting idea, to have all 3 of those guys ready to join the club at the same time. We really might be entering a golden age for Montreal Canadiens defense

 

[NotProkofievian]

Everyone see the Radio Canada bit on Youtube? Apparently Reinbacher's agent hired this Defenseman whisperer who worked with Chabot, et al. He was hired 2 years ago and grooms Top D prospects. He said (The Whisperer dude) that Reinbacher is very special, ultra talented and does things you can't teach. Was glowing reviews

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Mtl is the place to put extra pressure on a player Some odiots of the fan base makes players sign elsewhere. This board is not as worse than tictoc or other social medias, it's the tip of the iceberg. We find here toxic posters that gives you an idea of the two brain cells who does those treats on other social medias. There is a culture that needs to be adressed (and change) in the Mtl fan base.

And probably also online and on social media more broadly, where people's behavior is generally terrible.

 

[le_sean]

Subban won a Norris in a year when only half the games were played. I liked him but no one knows if he’d have been able to sustain his performance over a full season. We’ve often seen candidates falter after they dominated at the halfway mark.

There is no Markov on the team now and the combo he formed is not likely to be replicated.

Reinbacher was selected with a high pick. One of the prevailing arguments is that he’s supposed to be the best D in this draft. Certainly, one would expect offence to be a premium tool in his arsenal given his high draft slot and how he beat out several draftees in a forward heavy draft.

When the GM is flat out expressing uncertainty about his offence, that’s on the GM, not this forum.

Simashev and Willander can’t run a PP and ASP can’t PK. Michkov won’t PK, Leonard won’t run a PP. I mean we have to work within the parameters of this draft. If Reinbacher was perfect, he’d have gone 2.

 

[JHabs]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

It's here at the very beginning if anyone is interested:

Simashev and Willander can’t run a PP and ASP can’t PK. Michkov won’t PK, Leonard won’t run a PP. I mean we have to work within the parameters of this draft. If Reinbacher was perfect, he’d have gone 2.

I think in a typical 4 forwards 1 D setup, Hutson is your true PP QB, but in a pinch DR could take on that role. I think there's also untapped/raw offense. Will depend on how he reads offensive plays once he matures more.

But in 5-5, PK, etc... I think DR will be the go-to guy. He reminds me alot of Jay Bouwmeester

 

[waffledave]

Everyone see the Radio Canada bit on Youtube? Apparently Reinbacher's agent hired this Defenseman whisperer who worked with Chabot, et al. He was hired 2 years ago and grooms Top D prospects. He said (The Whisperer dude) that Reinbacher is very special, ultra talented and does things you can't teach. Was glowing reviews

I read he worked with "Chatbot" and was thinking this AI shit is getting out of control.

 

[Kaladin]

You can define it as you wish but you are incorrect.

It is factually a Puck Moving Defenceman which is a defender who is very strong in transition and is effective at both skating and passing the puck out of the defensive zone.

You can't invent your own facts.....

For some reason I thought it stood for playmaking not sure where I got that impression.

Regardless, Reinbacher isn’t going to hit some of you folks expectations. Only time will prove me right so it is what it is. We drafted at best a #2 at fifth overall for some reason and we’re stuck now and you’re all coping.

 

[CHwest]

Andrei Markov was probably the best PP quarterback of this century. Either him, Lidstrom or Gonchar, but I think I prefer Markov, because he made everyone better even more IMO.

In that department, we've been spoiled.

Markov was very under rated by the rest of the league. Loved watching him play, so many subtly good plays that he made look so easy.

 

[NotProkofievian]

It's here at the very beginning if anyone is interested:


I think in a typical 4 forwards 1 D setup, Hutson is your true PP QB, but in a pinch DR could take on that role. I think there's also untapped/raw offense. Will depend on how he reads offensive plays once he matures more.

But in 5-5, PK, etc... I think DR will be the go-to guy. He reminds me alot of Jay Bouwmeester

The conversation here is a lot more interesting than the stuff we were treated to on draft day.

 

[JHabs]

The conversation here is a lot more interesting than the stuff we were treated to on draft day.

To be frank, in my humble opinion, the worst part of draft day wasn't the pick, it was the underwhelming explanations/questions asked by media on both First round and 2-7 round picks. But when you start digging, it's really encouraging

 

[Kaladin]

What a BS edit

Edit: And yeah, a lot of is offense will come from his passes of the rush.

He might make it as a shooter on the PP. Mailloux and Barron might end up taking thoses minutes. Or a foward. Right now he is good at getting pucks to the net, so who knows, maybe he can even run a PP.

Again fans on the forum have higher expectations and dreams for Reinbacher than the Habs GM himself lol. You can’t make this up. Cope central around here.

 

[JHabs]

I read he worked with "Chatbot" and was thinking this AI shit is getting out of control.

LOL wouldn't that be something

"ChatGPT, make me a better D Man"

"Sure, here are 50 ways to improve your D Game so you're a better D Man"

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Markov was very under rated by the rest of the league. Loved watching him play, so many subtly good plays that he made look so easy.

What I liked less about Markov is he was better regular season than PO. I felt at the time he abandoned us few times in PO.

 

[Heineman Mineman]

And probably also online and on social media more broadly, where people's behavior is generally terrible.

Yep, it's way worse and wider than the poor hockey millionnaires. Girls with minimal presense online receive the same or worse messages all the time, even girls who just sell knitting designs have it worse than hockey players

 

[debaser66]

I think it was more about not setting the bar too high in order to keep the expectations and pressure on Reinbacher in check. Hughes comment about seeing Reinbacher as a future #2 would suggest a potentially limited offensive upside but there are tons of examples of dmen who were not drafted with the expectation of being a #1 but that is exactly what they ended up being including Reinbacher's fellow countryman Roman Josi.

As of right now he looks like a future 40+ point player who can be the complimentary piece on a top d pairing but that can change and usually does for the better or for the worse.

Even if Hughes believes that Reinbacher has a reasonable chance to be a #1D I do not think he would say as much at this point in the development process.



I think Boucher invents his own "facts", I pay very little attention to much of what he says.

Reinbacher is Austrian, Josi is Swiss

 

[Milhouse40]

As regards to how the Habs handled it, it doesn’t appear that they did an extended meeting with the kid. And yet they are a sophisticated, resourceful organization. Let the Habs confirm or deny. I only stuck to what was confirmed.

Not to be a dick.....but sticking to what was confirmed and talking about the Habs seems like they didn't had an extending meeting with the kids kind of not go together........but it was confirmed that he met with the Flyers before everybody else and twice.

 

[cphabs]

Is he coming over next year? Seems HuGo likes to have his prospects in North America. Just an observation and thanks!

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I really like this pick. It's been a long time since the Habs drafted a top tier defenseman prospect in the top end of the 1st. Last ones I can remember are Sergachev and McDonagh, who both became pretty good defensemen (sadly on other teams). Even Guhle, taken at 16, looks pretty exciting.

There's a lot of noise from people who I guess wanted Michkov and are mad, but the reality is this guy is a top tier defense prospect who tracks better than some very highly picked defensemen from recent years. I had him very close to Carlsson who went #2 in terms of his play as an 18 year old in a top Euro Men's league.

I think people are undervaluing how important top defensemen are. Obviously it's hard to become one, so Reinbacher will have to keep working, but adding a stud d to a back end is absolutely one of the most important elements for cup winning teams.

 

[Licou]

What I liked less about Markov is he was better regular season than PO. I felt at the time he abandoned us few times in PO.

The thing is that he was a major target in the playoffs. Prime Markov was literally the Habs game plan... If he wasn't performing, the team lost, simple as that.

If the opposing team dedicated a winger on each line to heavily forcheck him for 60 minutes.. there is only so much a man can do... He wasn't Bobby Orr either.

Ps: f*** it's impossible to type in mobile now wtf

 

[jaffy27]

Utter f***ing nonsense. No one had issues with Guhle. I mean, some may have not liked the pick, but it definitely wasn't controversial at all.

These narratives they come up with... I swear.

Oh really??!!!

It’s no wonder you view this as nonsense

 

[NORiculous]

What did Arizona say about their interview with Mitchkov?

Why didn't Arizona trade down?

Is their pick a disaster?

Comparing to ARZ isn’t something positive in any shape or form.

 

[waffledave]

For some reason I thought it stood for playmaking not sure where I got that impression.

Regardless, Reinbacher isn’t going to hit some of you folks expectations. Only time will prove me right so it is what it is. We drafted at best a #2 at fifth overall for some reason and we’re stuck now and you’re all coping.

A #2 dman is still a top pairing dman.

 

[jrom]

Everyone see the Radio Canada bit on Youtube? Apparently Reinbacher's agent hired this Defenseman whisperer who worked with Chabot, et al. He was hired 2 years ago and grooms Top D prospects. He said (The Whisperer dude) that Reinbacher is very special, ultra talented and does things you can't teach. Was glowing reviews

Trainer is Paul Boutilier (a former NYI), Chabot, Dobson (and David Savard !) amongst his clients

Chronique | David Reinbacher, un élève hors normes

Le défenseur autrichien a été repêché au 5e rang au total par le Canadien de Montréal. Martin Leclerc en a discuté avec Paul Boutilier.

ici.radio-canada.ca

 

[Jaynki]

From what I saw of Michkov videos, I wasn't enough impressed. He didn't qualified my eyes test. And he said in interview he don't care a little about defensive play. It's a offensive talent only take it or leave it.

Well, i don't want to bet against Michkov pure talent. He is a truly electric, offensive dynamo and personally i am impressed with what he did in the KHL as a 17YO. I do think tho that the generational label is thrown too easily. Much like Wright last year.

It has to tell us something that those guys went 4th and 7th. It has to tell us something that Michkov was not even the first Russian to be drafted, let alone that he was drafted after a defenseman who had 1 goals and 10 points in 29 MHL games. (Simashev has incredible skating a lot of upside tho).

We will rapidly forget Michkov if Reinbacher ends up the defenseman he projects to be. He is also just a really better fit.

 

[NotProkofievian]

When I think of Reinbacher, I think about what Nick Lidström said about his philosophy to playing hockey. He said ''first, play your position well, then worry about everything else.'' Reinbacher does exactly that. Whatever his game becomes in the future, it will be based around the fundamentals of stopping the opponent, and starting the attack again right away.

We can all remember times when Lidström would stuff an opponent's zone exit, and lead the red wings right back into the zone, or times when he'd pin the opposing team in their zone, or disrupt plays with a simple stick play. Reinbacher does all that stuff, all game long.

Maybe he develops some dangles along the way, but he doesn't really need them to play a very effective game.