Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Get Well Soon Edition

Kaiden Ghoul

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I still hope he can become a 40 point two way D

Even if he dont become a top pair D, we should be fine with him and Guhle, Hutson and 1 more solid D(not sold on Mailloux)
 

MoneyManny

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It's disgusting. Worst part is. Just like Slaf, the biggest culprits will kiss his ass and celebrate his success when he starts to make plays at the NHL level.

Weasels.
Are they supposed to hate the player forever and curse his success just because there's a chance they might be wrong?

I hate that we picked Reinbacher with our pick and he hasn't convinced me i was wrong at all yet. If he does i'll be happy to cheer for him.
 

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Reinbacher deserves way more respect from this fan base. He damn sure didn't ask the Habs to draft him. I have never seen such vitriol from day 1.

Carey price was a very unpopular pick on draft day but that quickly changed.

I wonder if that 2005 draft thread is still archived here somewhere.
 
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How is that the worst part? Lol we're supposed to be haters forever? Why?
We're supposed to dig out heels and never admit we're wrong. And if we do admit we were wrong about something -- like I was wrong about Slafkovsky's development -- we're meant to have that lorded over us so we never admit we're wrong ever again and dig our heels in even deeper the next time.

It's disgusting. Worst part is. Just like Slaf, the biggest culprits will kiss his ass and celebrate his success when he starts to make plays at the NHL level.

Weasels.

Pre-draft I preferred Michkov or Benson, quite loudly, but after the draft I was in on Reinbacher and respected his development plan since he wasn’t rushed. The ones harassing him were wrong and f***ed in the head (not dissimilar to the ones smearing Michkov). Think that’s normal and good, no?

I find it hard you dont think the "we only picked Reinbacher because Michkov did KGB things, but otherwise we totally would’ve picked Michkov” undercurrent going around isn’t actually disgusting and disrespectful of Reinbacher and the Habs.

He’s a good kid and a good prospect with a terrible injury.

You were big time in his corner pre-draft, why haven’t you called out these arguments?

Let’s not find reasons to get mad at other fans. We all want the Habs to succeed.
 
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WeThreeKings

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We're supposed to dig out heels and never admit we're wrong. And if we do admit we were wrong about something -- like I was wrong about Slafkovsky's development -- we're meant to have that lorded over us so we never admit we're wrong ever again and dig our heels in even deeper the next time.



Pre-draft I preferred Michkov or Benson, quite loudly, but after the draft I was in on Reinbacher and respected his development plan since he wasn’t rushed. The ones harassing him were wrong and f***ed in the head (not dissimilar to the ones smearing Michkov). Think that’s normal and good, no?

I find it hard you dont think the "we only picked Reinbacher because Michkov did KGB things, but otherwise we totally would’ve picked Michkov” undercurrent going around isn’t actually disgusting and disrespectful of Reinbacher and the Habs.

He’s a good kid and a good prospect with a terrible injury.

You were big time in his corner pre-draft, why haven’t you called out these arguments?

Let’s not find reasons to get mad at other fans. We all want the Habs to succeed.

I think the reality is that Reinbacher was seen as the best prospect not named Michkov after the top 4 and that was seen by majority of the NHL hence the action around the pick and what we know about the teams trying to get the pick.

And that our scouting and management team aren't idiots that are surprised Michkov is a talented offensive player that scores in the NHL. Nobody is surprised Michkov is a good offensive player. It's the easiest call to make.

All of Reinbacher being seen as the next best pick after Michkov, the rarity of tall, smooth skating, right shot defenseman with high upside on the D side of the puck and great transition skills, coupled with the size of the potential forward group, the KHL contract and the fact Michkov wanted Philly and not San Jose, Montreal or Arizona, makes the calculus so that the management group decided that Reinbacher was the pick.

Everyone knew we weren't picking Michkov and they still acted like baboons when the selection happened. Even after the fact, it's all about us passing on Michkov and nothing about San Jose. We know Michkov is a better prospect than Will Smith. So if San Jose, Montreal and Arizona went in a different direction, maybe there's some massive truth to how Michkov played the process. Which he has every right to do. I much prefer what he did to Gauthier who told Philly he wanted to be a Flyer and then made them trade him at a massive loss.

The reason why we don't discuss the merit of Reinbacher is that the other side of the fence won't hear it or have a logical discussion about it. Every time Michkov does something, the worse Reinbacher becomes, I had a guy on Twitter say Reinbacher will never even play for the Habs now. It's so sensationalist.

It's pretty demeaning that people think that the scouting staff and management team are so stupid that they didn't know Michkov was an elite offensive talent. Everyone knew. That isn't a scouting masterclass.

They just looked at everything and made the decision to take Reinbacher. Which is a completely reasonable decision to make when you consider the talent, the rarity of the prospect and what Michkov wanted. Management teams don't generally invest a 5th overall pick on a guy that isn't all in on being a Hab. The reality is if that's the case you absolutely don't want a Gauthier situation where a few years later you have to sell him at a loss because he threatens to extend in the KHL.

It isn't a coincidence that they used the term culture with Reinbacher. It wasn't an attack on Michkovs character. It was a statement that Reinbacher wanted to be a Hab and Michkov wanted to be a Flyer.
 

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I think the reality is that Reinbacher was seen as the best prospect not named Michkov after the top 4 and that was seen by majority of the NHL hence the action around the pick and what we know about the teams trying to get the pick.

And that our scouting and management team aren't idiots that are surprised Michkov is a talented offensive player that scores in the NHL. Nobody is surprised Michkov is a good offensive player. It's the easiest call to make.
Completely correct. You're not being disingenious when you claim that DR was a valid 5OA pick. I also feel the same way and clearly so did the Habs and likely other organisations. This is perfectly fine.
All of Reinbacher being seen as the next best pick after Michkov,
Disagree here -- evidence is they thought DR was preferrable to Michkov.
the rarity of tall, smooth skating, right shot defenseman with high upside on the D side of the puck and great transition skills, coupled with the size of the potential forward group, the KHL contract and the fact Michkov wanted Philly and not San Jose, Montreal or Arizona, makes the calculus so that the management group decided that Reinbacher was the pick.
Disagree -- there is no evidnce that Michkov "wanted" Philly like a UFA wants a team or that he even had the opportunity to pick where he was drafted. He clearly had no choice in the matter. Arizona being turned off by his attitude toward them is its own thing -- keep in mind Arizona is a gong show and they also had Cooley and Keller and likely wouldn't have wanted Michkov over Reinbacher either.

No evidence of any of the rest of the stuff.

Stick to the hockey argument, it's total sound.
Everyone knew we weren't picking Michkov and they still acted like baboons when the selection happened. Even after the fact, it's all about us passing on Michkov and nothing about San Jose. We know Michkov is a better prospect than Will Smith. So if San Jose, Montreal and Arizona went in a different direction, maybe there's some massive truth to how Michkov played the process. Which he has every right to do. I much prefer what he did to Gauthier who told Philly he wanted to be a Flyer and then made them trade him at a massive loss.
I don't agree that Michkov was a better prospect than Will Smith. The KHL/overseas aspect plays into the calculus of picking a prospect. I would've taken Will Smith over Michkov personally and I love Michkov's profile more than basically any other sort of hockey player.
The reason why we don't discuss the merit of Reinbacher is that the other side of the fence won't hear it or have a logical discussion about it. Every time Michkov does something, the worse Reinbacher becomes, I had a guy on Twitter say Reinbacher will never even play for the Habs now. It's so sensationalist.
Be honest -- plenty of 'your side' (needn't be 'your side' but you know what I mean) have trashed Michkov's every aspect down to the last atom. It's par for the course, as they say.
It's pretty demeaning that people think that the scouting staff and management team are so stupid that they didn't know Michkov was an elite offensive talent. Everyone knew. That isn't a scouting masterclass.

They just looked at everything and made the decision to take Reinbacher. Which is a completely reasonable decision to make when you consider the talent, the rarity of the prospect and what Michkov wanted. Management teams don't generally invest a 5th overall pick on a guy that isn't all in on being a Hab. The reality is if that's the case you absolutely don't want a Gauthier situation where a few years later you have to sell him at a loss because he threatens to extend in the KHL.
I agree with you once again -- it's demeaning that people suddenly have to make up excuses to justify (read: cope) about the Reinbacher pick.

There is NO NEED to make anything up or stretch conjecture and speculation. Reinbacher was preferred to Michkov. Simple as. Nothing wrong with that today. We'll only know in a few years if it was a bad call or a catastrophic call or a good call. Totally fine with that. We needed an RD as much as we needed another attacking player and Reinbacher was definitely a worthwhile prospect. On the other side of the ledger, Michkov's not a perfect prospect profile either -- who knows if he'll do well in the playoffs or if he can find separation (due to his lack of speed/strength) or if he'll dedicate his two-way game to being top-line worthy. He has downsides and the overall picture was such that the Habs preferred Reinbacher to him. That's fine.

As for Gauthier, disagree with your angle but it's irrelevant to the discussion.
It isn't a coincidence that they used the term culture with Reinbacher. It wasn't an attack on Michkovs character. It was a statement that Reinbacher wanted to be a Hab and Michkov wanted to be a Flyer.
Culture, attitude, character. All the same: valid but can be over-emphasised to justify decisions made.

Reinbacher wanted to be drafted to the NHL and so did Michkov, no need to speculate about other things.
 
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sandviper

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It's disgusting. Worst part is. Just like Slaf, the biggest culprits will kiss his ass and celebrate his success when he starts to make plays at the NHL level.

Weasels.

I aLwAyz l0Ved Re1NbAcheR! He wuZ alwaYz gooDer.

But I disagree with your statement… the WORST part will be they will DENY having ever said what they said about DR.

NGL, I did want Michkov on draft day, but there were a lot of signs, especially draft week, that we weren’t picking him. I mean, it was more obvious that year than the year we picked Slaf.
 

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Reinbacher deserves way more respect from this fan base. He damn sure didn't ask the Habs to draft him. I have never seen such vitriol from day 1.

He will be tied to Michkov for basically his entire career but I do agree. Reinbacher is one that requires more patience but we will see if this was a good pick or not. I think we fell for the rare RD with skating/size but not sure how much offense he puts up. Hate to say it but this pick reminds me of the Kotkaniemi pick. I see the tools and rare C/RD factors but where is the production pre NHL? Did they dominate in their development leagues prior to the NHL? I don't see him being a 40+ guy. I see more of a H Lindholm type. Hoping for Dobson but my gut tells me Lindholm and that might be exactly what we need.

Reinbacher has all the tools you look for as a RD. Lets hope this plays out well for us because yes, our fan base and media needs a lot more patience with the type of development he needs. Especially now with this injury set back.
 

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Are they supposed to hate the player forever and curse his success just because there's a chance they might be wrong?

I hate that we picked Reinbacher with our pick and he hasn't convinced me i was wrong at all yet. If he does i'll be happy to cheer for him.

Haring a player because of where they were drafted is infantile.
 
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Carey price was a very unpopular pick on draft day but that quickly changed.

I wonder if that 2005 draft thread is still archived here somewhere.
Err...no. Price was hated by quite a few people. Remember the Halak vs Price days? It took years before Price forced all his nay-sayers to shut the f up. Even now, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a number of people who wished the Habs picked someone else up at the draft (Kopitar).
 

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It was a 5th OA pick though. Expectations are high. This injury really does suck.
Sure.

Macklin Celibrini got injured in game 1.

Slaf missed 1/2 his first season.

Injuries happen. The gross exaggerations and ungrounded conclusions about the impact on his development are silly.

The expectations being totally out of whack and leading some posters to react the way a child does when they drop tfrir ice cream is... Childish.

Great prospect, bright future, uncertain where his ceiling will land and where it will end up vis a vis his draft class.

It's really that simple imo.
 
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Haring a player because of where they were drafted is infantile.
Hating a player is for sure but having high expectations for that player? Not so.

The worry is that, even in the trade thread, we're discussing how we're going to potentially get out from Matheson in order to get a steady top-4 RD who can play defense. When you pick a guy like that, especially at 5, there's an expectation that they can be at least that and fairly soon.

With DR, especially after this injury, that's muddied the waters quite a bit. He'll probably need a whole other year in Laval next year (maybe more) to catch up. His season last year was a shitshow (not his fault, but still noteworthy).
 

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He will be tied to Michkov for basically his entire career but I do agree. Reinbacher is one that requires more patience but we will see if this was a good pick or not. I think we fell for the rare RD with skating/size but not sure how much offense he puts up. Hate to say it but this pick reminds me of the Kotkaniemi pick. I see the tools and rare C/RD factors but where is the production pre NHL? Did they dominate in their development leagues prior to the NHL? I don't see him being a 40+ guy. I see more of a H Lindholm type. Hoping for Dobson but my gut tells me Lindholm and that might be exactly what we need.

Reinbacher has all the tools you look for as a RD. Lets hope this plays out well for us because yes, our fan base and media needs a lot more patience with the type of development he needs. Especially now with this injury set back.

Reinbacher had the best draft year point production in the NLA, ever. As a defenseman. So yes, the production was there pre-NHL. Things went south the following year but that was a Kloten mess and some injury delays.. his production in the AHL while adapting to NA rinks was also very encouraging, especially since production is not the calling card.

He was not drafted to do Lane Hutson things. Look at the draft year production of McDonagh or Suter, not exactly blistering.
 

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Haring a player because of where they were drafted is infantile.
What is your opinion on people reading comments incorrectly and then writing a reply judging someone based on their own mistake?

I wrote that i hated the pick, not the player. Is not agreeing with a hockey team's draft pick also infantile or was it only your reaction that was?
 

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He will be tied to Michkov for basically his entire career but I do agree. Reinbacher is one that requires more patience but we will see if this was a good pick or not. I think we fell for the rare RD with skating/size but not sure how much offense he puts up. Hate to say it but this pick reminds me of the Kotkaniemi pick. I see the tools and rare C/RD factors but where is the production pre NHL? Did they dominate in their development leagues prior to the NHL? I don't see him being a 40+ guy. I see more of a H Lindholm type. Hoping for Dobson but my gut tells me Lindholm and that might be exactly what we need.

Reinbacher has all the tools you look for as a RD. Lets hope this plays out well for us because yes, our fan base and media needs a lot more patience with the type of development he needs. Especially now with this injury set back.
Reinbacher has a lot of tools but he doesn’t have all the tools…
 

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Hating a player is for sure but having high expectations for that player? Not so.
I don't think there's anything wrong with high expectations.

What's silly and childish is the emotional reactivity posting when those lofty expectations aren't immediately met.

The worry is that, even in the trade thread, we're discussing how we're going to potentially get out from Matheson in order to get a steady top-4 RD who can play defense. When you pick a guy like that, especially at 5, there's an expectation that they can be at least that and fairly soon.
what is your actual expectations?

Historically speaking, DR is at worst on par with 5OA & later dmen picked as far as D1 outcomes.

In his AHL time on D1, and pro camp of D2, he looked very close to NHL ready... Also on par or ahead of historical D men picked at 5OA.

There's no reason to believe he won't be ready to play "steady top 4RD" minutes next season. Posters acting like it's a foregone conclusion that he won't or can't is silly... About as grounded as someone suggesting or expecting him to be an elite top pairing dman next fall, or suggesting his NHL career is ruined because of his injury.



With DR, especially after this injury, that's muddied the waters quite a bit. He'll probably need a whole other year in Laval next year (maybe more) to catch up. His season last year was a shitshow (not his fault, but still noteworthy).

I don't agree. The injury is a set back... One that a high volume of pro athletes endure.

Zero indication at this time that the injury is career limiting. Speculation on how his development will be impacted is just that, speculation... Until he returns and performs over a reasonable chunk of a season (30-40 games), it's far to premature to even suggest that his progression will be negatively impacted.

He very well could recover and claim a top 4 spot next fall, just a he could run into complications or another injury that further details his opportunity to earn a roster spot. We simply don't, and won't know until we get there. All we know today is that he was trending well toward a top 4RD role at a very reasonable pace, and he is now injured.
 

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