Player Discussion David Quinn

[DanielBrassard]

I don't think anyone is asking for a miracle, but how about the team doesn't get killed every game? I've seen worse rosters perform much better at 5v5 than this one has, we are almost at Buffalo 2013-15 levels bad. That shouldn't be.

 

[SA16]

Everyone eventually dislikes the current coach because they all do similar things that nobody likes whether it's overuse of poor players, defensive systems, special teams, handling of young players etc.

 

[Machinehead]

Rangers fans always hate their coaches.

Because this franchise is butt and generally doesn't hire good coaches?

 

[Ori]

yeah I`m with @Machinehead Nucks finally waved AV good bye and he ends up in NY, and lost our Stanley cup final that was our year, oh well!
Quinn is not a NHL quality coach - he should be coaching Wolfie in AHL some years to gain some experience.

 

[Mikos87]

What does this mean? Genuinely asking.

They dont attack off the rush. Watch the chip ins to the zone. It's almost everytime, to the corner where the opposition D or goalie can get it.

He wants the team to do that, then cause a turnover, when they came into the zone with the puck.

This is common in college hockey to maximize lower skill players, but it's different in the NHL.

It's one of the reasons why so few college coaches get hired. The hockey in college isn't a pro style system.

 

[effen]

They dont attack off the rush. Watch the chip ins to the zone. It's almost everytime, to the corner where the opposition D or goalie can get it.

He wants the team to do that, then cause a turnover, when they came into the zone with the puck.

This is common in college hockey to maximize lower skill players, but it's different in the NHL.

It's one of the reasons why so few college coaches get hired. The hockey in college isn't a pro style system.

There's a lot of reasons that doing that can be better than trying to make a play at the line, but primarily it's because a turnover at the blueline is already a very bad thing before factoring in our abysmal transition D defense.

That said, players can and do ignore practice instructions in game situations all the time. He's not on the bench with a 360 controller or something.

A better criticism is the team has only a handful of extremely basic set plays in the offensive zone once the zone is gained, they're all easily countered, and most of them aren't good uses of personnel. I call it 90s offense somewhat in jest, but not really. It's sort of amazing they score as much as they do.

 

[Mikos87]

There's a lot of reasons that doing that can be better than trying to make a play at the line, but primarily it's because a turnover at the blueline is already a very bad thing before factoring in our abysmal transition D defense.

That said, players can and do ignore practice instructions in game situations all the time. He's not on the bench with a 360 controller or something.

A better criticism is the team has only a handful of extremely basic set plays in the offensive zone once the zone is gained, they're all easily countered, and most of them aren't good uses of personnel. I call it 90s offense somewhat in jest, but not really. It's sort of amazing they score as much as they do.

True. But that set of basic plays happens less so due to how they dump it in.

I'm all for getting pucks in deep, but there are more strategic ways to establish a forecheck. Just as there are more dynamic ways to enter the zone.

 

[eco's bones]

Because this franchise is butt and generally doesn't hire good coaches?

What franchise does?

My view of the Rangers is they're an incomplete team and a team in transition. Which is to say that we have a lot of great young players and prospects who for the most part still have some steps to take. Zibanejad, Panarin and Trouba are cornerstone players who should help them grow. We still have to clear some players out. Kreider might go--Buch and DeAngelo are two other maybes and Henrik, Staal and Smith all have limited futures here. Not sure Gallant, Trotz or Quenneville would be doing much better with what we have here.

.....and to beat a dead horse even more.....it's tough when you don't have a decent 2C option.

 

[Irishguy42]

What franchise does?

A decent amount do, albeit not consistently.

Right now, for other teams: Ducks, Yotes, (so far) Sabres, Canes, Panthers, Habs, Isles, Pens, Blues, Knights, Jets

~1/3 of the league has good coaching right now.

EDIT (pre @Machinehead like, if that changes his mind about liking this): Looking back at the question, I guess you were indeed remarking about the consistency part of hiring good coaches, which I will admit is not great around the league to the best of my knowledge (haven't delved greatly into this just due to the sheer amount of turnover). It's just that right now, the league has a pretty good amount of good coaching hired. So yes, I agree with your question, now that I've thought about it.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Sports fans always hate their coaches.

Fixed that 4 u

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This coach isnt a good fit. I dont like the way hes handling the kids.

I want Chytil up and Smith sent down.

This guy needs to go.

I just feel Quinn hasn't adjusted to coaching a professional team.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Not giving up on Quinn yet but Gorton needs to help him out. He needs to get rid of Staal and Smith and give him some instructions like not playing Haley. Quinn has forgot to the rebuild plan. Kakko needs to be put on the first line. Period. Andersson on the second. Leave Andersson there all year. If he doesn't show more offensive improvement then you can make the move for another FA center in the off-season.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Not giving up on Quinn yet but Gorton needs to help him out. He needs to get rid of Staal and Smith and give him some instructions like not playing Haley. Quinn has forgot to the rebuild plan. Kakko needs to be put on the first line. Period. Andersson on the second. Leave Andersson there all year. If he doesn't show more offensive improvement then you can make the move for another FA center in the off-season.

Nah kakko is good where he is at right now.
Let him adjust to the speed and space of the game, finding open spots, board plays and all that stuff.
2nd or 3rd line minutes + some powerplay time will be enough for him.

When it comes to Lias I think he should be given the opportunity to center the 3rd line. He should average atleast over 12minutes on the ice.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Lol, so we are back to square 1. Skjei deserved to be benched but Staal deserved more and you're upset that Staal didn't get to sit while Skjei did? (This is a high school level appeal, I leave it at that).

Ugh its like talking to a child. The issue isn't barady sat. The issue is VETS ARENT HELD TO THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITY AS ROOKIES. If you cant handle that then f*** off. We dont need to talk any further. You have no meaning or value here so we are done if you are just going to split hairs for the sake of being that guy on the internet.

 

[True Blue]

He hasn't played with a center who can create space. That's not a fanboy comment. Every winger needs a center to help set up plays.

Sounds like an excuse for fairly mediocre play.

We really don't know what Kakko can do in the NHL as a playmaker until he is given a linemate who can possess the puck and dish it to him.

Same can be said for just about any player. But before we promote Kakko to a more prominent role (something that he has not shown he deserves), why not have him prove himself in a less prominent role? Like all others.

 

[kovazub94]

Ugh its like talking to a child. The issue isn't barady sat. The issue is VETS ARENT HELD TO THE SAME ACCOUNTABILITY AS ROOKIES. If you cant handle that then **** off. We dont need to talk any further. You have no meaning or value here so we are done if you are just going to split hairs for the sake of being that guy on the internet.

I have no desire to discuss this further with you given your (naive) capitalized position that vets and rookies should be held to the same standards.

However please do not tell me to f*** off on the public forum. If you don’t want to expose your shitty ideas then do a private discussion via a DM approach. Otherwise, with all due respect, this is what you get and it’s on you to learn how to deal with it.

 

[offdacrossbar]

if we are truly rebuilding and committed to developing all the kids, there should be no reason why we play older less talented players and minimize the kids ice time.

winning is nice but you aren't really gonna win either way so play the kids and live with the mistakes.

either develop and deal with the resulting suck or not. quinn seems to be in-between.

can't have it both ways coach quinn.

 

[True Blue]

Because this franchise is butt and generally doesn't hire good coaches?

# WeNeverGetAGoodCoach.

Damn it all. Should have paid Quenville

 

[True Blue]

I just feel Quinn hasn't adjusted to coaching a professional team.

What does that mean? Not allowing players to do whatever they want?

 

[True Blue]

He needs to get rid of Staal and Smith

Ahh, the light of reason shines.

What is your proposal, pray tell? How would you make this happen? And please don't say send Staal to Hartford, because that is not happening.

# AllWeDOIsRepeatTheSameDrivelOverandOverAgain

 

[True Blue]

if we are truly rebuilding and committed to developing all the kids, there should be no reason why we play older less talented players and minimize the kids ice time.

Playing kids who are not ready is how you get 10 year rebuilds.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Because this franchise is butt and generally doesn't hire good coaches?

I feel like they hire good coaches but they let them stay beyond their expiration dates

 

[LORDE]

if we are truly rebuilding and committed to developing all the kids, there should be no reason why we play older less talented players and minimize the kids ice time.

winning is nice but you aren't really gonna win either way so play the kids and live with the mistakes.

either develop and deal with the resulting suck or not. quinn seems to be in-between.

can't have it both ways coach quinn.

SO the EDM plan then?

 

[kovazub94]

if we are truly rebuilding and committed to developing all the kids, there should be no reason why we play older less talented players and minimize the kids ice time.

winning is nice but you aren't really gonna win either way so play the kids and live with the mistakes.

either develop and deal with the resulting suck or not. quinn seems to be in-between.

can't have it both ways coach quinn.

Why generalize? Winning environment IS important. Protecting kids from the roles they are not yet ready for IS important. Learning how to prepare, be professional and earning (not being handed) more ice time and responsibilities ARE important too.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

What does that mean? Not allowing players to do whatever they want?

You cannot treat pro players the same way you do with college kids. I feel he is a bit stuck in his ways that worked in Boston. That's just the way it seems to me based on interviews and reactions during the game.