Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[eco's bones]

That's never been what I've been calling for, however. Wanting to see your top 4 forward prospects get better minutes than the 4th liners is not a demand that they supplant the top line. There are lines in between. I feel I've been pretty clear that what I'm looking for is another minute or two of EV time and a regular shift on a 2nd PP that actually gets used. I'm looking for a few additional sheltered minutes, in short, so that these kids can actually play the game. Knobloch did this well in the Philly blowouts. He still leaned on the vets, but as it became clear that the game was over, the kids were out there every other shift. I know that the four aren't ready to carry a team (though I think Chytil and Kakko are a bit closer), but the more minutes we can get them, the quicker they'll get there. Hell, I'd have Chytil and Kakko out there as a PK unit. Get them the experience in a season that--per the team's management--is supposed to be all about their development.




Again though, nobody is calling for the kids to supplant Panarin and Zib. We're calling for them to play more when the situation calls for it. We're calling for them to play more than Rooney, Howden, and Blackwell (and over the last ~15 games, the kids' TOI has gone down drastically). When a kid is drafted by a true bottom-feeder, they often get thrust into a first line role. Our kids got drafted into a mid-level team with some good pieces in the top 6. They should still be getting at least 3rd line minutes and some play on the PP.



I grew up gay in farm country in the 90s AND I spent four years teaching 9th grade before going to grad school. Trust me. Obese rhinoceri are jealous of the thickness of my skin, haha. I think it has more to do with my various sports fandoms (Metrostars/Red Bull, Knicks, Rangers, and...the Jets). When something good happens in my sports world, it feels like a matter of time before the floor gets ripped out from under us. The ONLY thing more "Rangers" than getting back to back top 2 picks for the first time in 70 years is for the team to try and develop them differently from previous top prospects and those two kids having historically bad first (and second in Kakko's case) seasons. None of this is based on what other fans have to say. I've pushed back on several occasions when they have tried to claim that Kakko is a bust. I don't think they are busts at all. But I am very concerned by the Rangers' approach to developing them, and nobody can say that this is where they expected the two players to be at this point in their young careers.

Not sure we’ve closed the gap much on this but I applaud your rhinoceros skin.

 

[huerter]

I was a high major DOBO for half a decade. I've seen 5 stars be butt unready to contribute and I've seen guys with 1 high major offer be critical pieces from the jump. There is a lot that goes into the process that people don't see from the outside.

 

[aufheben]

Put him on the PP, Quinn!
Wait, not like that.

lmao, that's right, PP too.

Too bad he's a defenseman.

 

[aufheben]

I was a high major DOBO for half a decade. I've seen 5 stars be butt unready to contribute and I've seen guys with 1 high major offer be critical pieces from the jump. There is a lot that goes into the process that people don't see from the outside.

No idea what everything before the bolded means, but the bolded is a good point.

 

[aufheben]

When a kid is drafted by a true bottom-feeder, they often get thrust into a first line role. Our kids got drafted into a mid-level team with some good pieces in the top 6. They should still be getting at least 3rd line minutes and some play on the PP.

It’s not so much about the fact that people want this to happen, it’s more about the fact that this is what’s been happening.

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[3rd Guy High]

I don’t get how anyone watching these games can say this team is well coached.

Theyre a train wreck. Have they won one game this year with good team structure? They’re improvising all night long.

 

[Guyute]

Can we please hire an NHL coach for next season rather than the Les Miles of hockey? Thanks

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I can sympathize with the fact the islanders are the better team, but there’s zero reason to play bittetto over a healthy hayek. if hayek is hurt, fine. but bittetto is just way worse and was a huge reason for 4 of those goals. just awful.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Every time the Rangers play a playoff type game the last two years they get destroyed. I can't remember hating a coach more than Quinn. He's a maybe slightly better than Ben McAdoo. Meanwhile Ben McAdoo had his team 11-5 one year. Quinn is a f***ing embarrassment. The worst move by a mile by Gorton. I'd rather have f***ing AV.

 

[Synergy27]

I don’t get how anyone watching these games can say this team is well coached.

Theyre a train wreck. Have they won one game this year with good team structure? They’re improvising all night long.

They’ll say that the Islanders are the better team, and they’ll be right. But they’ll also choose to ignore the myriad questionable decisions the guy makes seemingly every game.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I doubt Hajek would have made much of a difference but playing that f***ing bum Bitetto is prime Quinn. What an absolute abortion of a coach.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They’ll say that the Islanders are the better team, and they’ll be right. But they’ll also choose to ignore the myriad questionable decisions the guy makes seemingly every game.

The Islanders are only a better team because of their coach. They're not that good.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yeah, he's still a bad coach and this team is going nowhere until they 86 him. In fact, this team is literally going nowhere this season because of this game he just coached!

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The Islanders went from their own David Quinn to Trotz and jumped from last in the league to first in goals against.

 

[Synergy27]

The Islanders are only a better team because of their coach. They're not that good.

Meh. They are. It’s sucks to admit but they are. They are solid from top to bottom, including in goal.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Meh. They are. It’s sucks to admit but they are. They are solid from top to bottom, including in goal.

They have one guy that's anything special. They have fewer holes than the Rangers but the Rangers have much better high end talent, and f*** until this game the Rangers had a better goal differential. The difference is the Islanders don't shit themselves every time there's a game of any significance like this bunch and that's reflection of the coach.

 

[Guyute]

Isles set a record for most goals against in NHL history, kept the same D and lost Tavares, hired Trotz, then finished 1st in goals against the next season.

Coaching matters and we don’t have a good coach.

 

[Synergy27]

They have one guy that's anything special. They have fewer holes than the Rangers but the Rangers have much better high end talent, and f*** until this game the Rangers had a better goal differential. The difference is the Islanders don't shit themselves every time there's a game of any significance like this bunch and that's reflection of the coach.

Yeah. They are a solid, veteran club. This is what other teams felt when they lost to us between 2012-15.

 

[tomobson]

It is because a) once they got away from Quinn they could do what they want and develop by themselves? Or did they wake up and decide that now is the time to play well?

Yup those are the only two possible choices.

 

[3rd Guy High]

The Islanders are only a better team because of their coach. They're not that good.

They remind me very much of the Tortorella rangers.

One stud (Barzal/Gaborik) and just a solid, but unremarkable line up from the top down. Well coached, good structure, no glaring holes and make you earn every chance you get.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah. They are a solid, veteran club. This is what other teams felt when they lost to us between 2012-15.

Yeah, I'd feel this way if I lost to the 2011-2012 team. That team too was coached way above their talent level. Honestly, most Rangers teams were coached above their talent level under Renney, Torts, and even AV. Quinn's teams are coached below their talent level. The most underachieving piece of shit coach we've had since Trottier or Low.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They remind me very much of the Tortorella rangers.

One stud (Barzal/Gaborik) and just a solid, but unremarkable line up from the top down. Well coached, good structure, no glaring holes and make you earn every chance you get.

I agree, but I also didn't think too highly of that 2011-2012 team. But you could see the difference in coaching this game, David Quinn is just horrendous. This was for all intents and purposes a playoff game, just like the play-in last year and he got his lunch money from him. He seems like a nice man, but his future is not in hockey. Maybe he can sales guy or something with his affable personality.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Isles set a record for most goals against in NHL history, kept the same D and lost Tavares, hired Trotz, then finished 1st in goals against the next season.

Coaching matters and we don’t have a good coach.

I mentioned that. Coaching matters a ton. f***, even look at the Rangers with Martin rather than Ruff.