Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[TheDirtyH]

Weren’t you just criticizing people for “reducing to extremes”? It’s not AHL-1st-line-or-NHL-1st-line.

No, they don’t have to earn roster spots, but, yes, they do have to earn the top roster spots. What is “absurd” about that? To me it sounds like the cushiest f***ing situation possible.

Some posters here think that these kids are such delicate f***ing daffodils that playing on the FL3/PP2 is going to ruin their entire NHL careers...so the solution is to just chuck them in the deep end? Makes absolutely no sense to me*. None.

*Nor does the assumption that consistently giving them hard matchups and heavy TOI is only going to boost their confidence** and not hurt it.

**Nor does the assumption that there is even anything wrong with their confidence to begin with. It seems to me like they’re having fun together on that line.

I don’t know, man, the Rangers have found themselves in the fairly-unique position of having some great players while also having recent lottery picks. I can understand why they’d want to take advantage of that, i.e., why rush them if you don’t have to?

Not that I disagree with the meat of this, but who are the great players this season? Panarin, sure. Buchnevich, OK. Has Zibanejad been great this year? Kreider? Strome has been very good. Blackwell?

I don't think it has to be limited to kids vs. not kids. Lafreniere isn't blowing the doors off, but have our top players really played at a level that warrants the huge gap between them and the kids? Kakko, despite his low counting stats, has arguably been better than both Zibanejad and Kreider all season. Chytil too for that matter.

And look where we are. Right where we've been the last two seasons. We have a puncher's chance at the playoffs. But really, we're at least a tier below those competing for the last spot. We're not some powerhouse that's also got great young prospects. We have a mediocre top 6 featuring a top 5 player in the world and another who should absolutely be traded by next season at the latest.

 

[True Blue]

Rangers didn’t allow a 1st period goal in any game Knoblauch was temporary coach. Quinn first game back, too. Have they ever gone 6 straight games w/o giving up a first period goal since Quinn has been the hc?

I am positive that Knobluach's 5 or 6 game sting would be representative of the entire season.

Hey, has Hartford given up a first period goal?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I am positive that Knobluach's 5 or 6 game sting would be representative of the entire season.

Hey, has Hartford given up a first period goal?

I'll say one thing: Quinn has changed some things since returning.

He's starting the 2nd unit on the PP. He's cycling players on the PP to capitalize on tired opponents. He's no longer throwing lines in a blender 5 minutes into the game.

Yeah, I have some small gripes here or there with his decisions but Quinn the last 2 weeks has been a breath of fresh air. The Knoblauch era (as short as it might have been) may have highlighted the things Quinn could work on and he did.

Kudos to Quinn for that and that was always my preferred outcome. I never wanted him fired. I wanted him to learn from mistakes rather than losing his job mid-season.

 

[kovazub94]

I'll say one thing: Quinn has changed some things since returning.

He's starting the 2nd unit on the PP. He's cycling players on the PP to capitalize on tired opponents. He's no longer throwing lines in a blender 5 minutes into the game.

Yeah, I have some small gripes here or there with his decisions but Quinn the last 2 weeks has been a breath of fresh air. The Knoblauch era (as short as it might have been) may have highlighted the things Quinn could work on and he did.

Kudos to Quinn for that and that was always my preferred outcome. I never wanted him fired. I wanted him to learn from mistakes rather than losing his job mid-season.

Chicken or egg - PP2 scored a goal then another and then started to get icetime. I bet if they were doing something earlier we would've seen Quinn's "transformation" earlier too.

 

[ArPanet]

I am positive that Knobluach's 5 or 6 game sting would be representative of the entire season.

Hey, has Hartford given up a first period goal?

all coaches no matter how “good” they are lose the room

if Quenneville arcs out where he won 3 Cups then your guy can also become obsolete

 

[True Blue]

all coaches no matter how “good” they are lose the room

if Quenneville arcs out where he won 3 Cups then your guy can also become obsolete

There is exactly ZERO POINT ZERO of anything that shows that Quinn is even remotely close to loosing the room. Sorry, but that is pure poppycock.

And what does it have to do with giving up first period goals, which was what you posted about?

 

[ArPanet]

Team gets way better at something when coach is out. Actually achieves perfection at it. Like, instantly.

Coach returns, team almost immediately gets worse at it.

Are you familiar of the concept of the “dead coach bounce”?

as for your ZERO POINT ZERO contention, that’s what’s known as a “belief”. Which is different than a “fact”.

 

[True Blue]

Team gets way better at something when coach is out. Actually achieves perfection at it. Like, instantly.

Coach returns, team almost immediately gets worse at it.

Are you familiar of the concept of the “dead coach bounce”?

as for your ZERO POINT ZERO contention, that’s what’s known as a “belief”. Which is different than a “fact”.

But when they came from behind in the other game, that was all for Knoblauch who was not here?

The team plays hard for Quin. He lost the room.

The team plays hard and has come back for Quinn. The players tuned him out in hopes of Knoblauch coming back.

ZERO POINT ZERO. As in not a single hint from any news outlet. As in not as much as a whisper from any of our vetted insiders. But yeah, ArPanet on HF boards knows something more is brewing. Yes. That makes total sense. How could I not have seen the logic of this?

 

[haveandare]

Team gets way better at something when coach is out. Actually achieves perfection at it. Like, instantly.

Coach returns, team almost immediately gets worse at it.

Are you familiar of the concept of the “dead coach bounce”?

as for your ZERO POINT ZERO contention, that’s what’s known as a “belief”. Which is different than a “fact”.

Wayyy too small a sample to say they “got better at something” as opposed to just had a handful of games that played out that way for any number of reasons. Personally hoping not to see Quinn back next year, but I don’t think this specific argument is particularly strong

 

[aufheben]

Not that I disagree with the meat of this, but who are the great players this season? Panarin, sure. Buchnevich, OK. Has Zibanejad been great this year? Kreider? Strome has been very good. Blackwell?

I don't think it has to be limited to kids vs. not kids. Lafreniere isn't blowing the doors off, but have our top players really played at a level that warrants the huge gap between them and the kids? Kakko, despite his low counting stats, has arguably been better than both Zibanejad and Kreider all season. Chytil too for that matter.

And look where we are. Right where we've been the last two seasons. We have a puncher's chance at the playoffs. But really, we're at least a tier below those competing for the last spot. We're not some powerhouse that's also got great young prospects. We have a mediocre top 6 featuring a top 5 player in the world and another who should absolutely be traded by next season at the latest.

They only limit is how well they play. If they want those spots regularly then they can take them like Fox did.

 

[aufheben]

(Panarin-Strome are listed as 4L -> 3L because they started the game with Blackwell)

 

[tomobson]

Blackwell forever a Predator

 

[bl02]

Brett brings so much character to this team. Such a beautiful thing

 

[TheDirtyH]

They only limit is how well they play. If they want those spots regularly then they can take them like Fox did.

 

[aufheben]

4 players tonight 21-or-younger with points.

 

[aufheben]

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I know this. Zibanejad & Kreider have 56 points. No coach on earth is going to side with Corsi over goals.

Even then people have to be patient. Fox gradually got more and more ice-time last season.

2 + 2 = 5

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

4 players tonight 21-or-younger with points.

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All being ruined. Did I do that right?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't like Quinn but one thing I'll give him credit for, the Rangers haven't had one game where they got destroyed this year. The worst they lost by was 4 goals and that happened I think 3 times. The Wild who has a much better record just got their teeth kicked in after kicking the teeth in of the Avs of all teams. Now watch them get blown out by the Islanders on Sunday.

 

[mulli25]

Somehow, despite Quinn’s absolute incompetence and inability to make a good call, Blackwell is performing on the second line, and Kakko is driving performance of the “kid line” to the point where we have three lines that are actual threats to score.

 

[Kodiak]

It’s worth noting that everyone seems happy with the kids’ performance last night, but the ice time didn’t really change. They all got 11-13 minutes of ice. Was it the ice time that was the issue or were people just frustrated with their lack of production?

 

[True Blue]

Somehow, despite Quinn’s absolute incompetence and inability to make a good call, Blackwell is performing on the second line, and Kakko is driving performance of the “kid line” to the point where we have three lines that are actual threats to score.

You forgot to note that Fox, Buch,
Miller, Lindgren are also all performing well in spite and of Quinn’s incompetence.

In fact, in spite of his complete incompetence, the youngest team in the league has managed to overcome their starting goalie missing 10 games, having a third string goalie, their best player missing 10 games, their top line center being MIA for the first 2 months, their young center having Covid and a shoulder injury, the entire coaching staff missing a stretch of games due to COVID, one of their top defenseman missing almost 10 games AND ARE STILL sniffing playoff contention. All this in spite of Quinn’s incompetence. Amazing.

 

[True Blue]

Was it the ice time that was the issue or were people just frustrated with their lack of production?

Clearly the lack of production is Quinn’s incompetence. When they at well it is in spite of Quinn’s negligence.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Quinn's been a little better since the Larry Brooks trio of articles that said the kids need more ice time, PP1 is entitled, questioning Blackwell on Strome and Panarin's line.

Fundamentally nothing has changed and it raises questions did someone in management leak that information to Larry as a message to Quinn, is this the master plan of Quinn all along now that the kids are more seasoned, or is a beat writer and former NJ Devils PR/Radio guy in Brooksy the coach whisperer to Mr. Quinn?

The answer doesn't really matter it's all about results.

As someone who is not a fan of Quinn, I think they have too much ground to make up unless Pittsburgh or Boston implode, but if they continue improving you can't really argue to sack him this summer and give the keys to Knoblauch or Gallant.

That's looking at it from an unbiased perspective and not 100% on emotion.

 

[CLW]

It’s worth noting that everyone seems happy with the kids’ performance last night, but the ice time didn’t really change. They all got 11-13 minutes of ice. Was it the ice time that was the issue or were people just frustrated with their lack of production?

The kids played well with the time they got. 11-12 minutes is low in a game with 1 penalty. My fear was the kids would get buried in games with lots of pp/pk time messing with their toi. I didn't see the kids much in the opening 10 minutes.

On the other hand the games are coming fast and furious in this strange season. Rolling four lines and giving players like Kravtsov a good look makes sense too, but it's still weird to see the 4th line with more minutes than the kid line.

 

[haveandare]

It’s worth noting that everyone seems happy with the kids’ performance last night, but the ice time didn’t really change. They all got 11-13 minutes of ice. Was it the ice time that was the issue or were people just frustrated with their lack of production?

Yeah it’s interesting. While watching I definitely felt they were playing more than usual, I was surprised to see the toi at the end. I think part of it is that they were just very noticeable every time they were on the ice.