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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

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Tawnos said:
I never said the kids were on the ice for those goals... and this still has nothing to do with the point I made. I only mentioned that game because it was against the same opponent, and it was also the most egregious example, but I can think of several other times where the team has given up 2 goals in a short stretch of time. They gave up 2 goals in 2 minutes on March 30th. They gave up 3 goals in 5 minutes on March 28th. They gave up 2 goals in under 3 minutes on March 23rd. They gave up 2 goals in under 3 minutes on March 19th. That’s as far back as I’m willing to look right now.

It doesn’t matter who was on the ice for those. When you have a team who is prone to those issues, and that team is going, then staying the course was the right move with a 3 goal lead with 40 minutes to go in the game.

And by the way, Quinn DID find more ice time for the kids when the game looked out of reach for the Penguins.
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Well if you are not going to watch the replays to see what happened on those plays, or who was on ice, I think it's probably lacking a lot of context.
 
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Well if you are not going to watch the replays to see what happened on those plays, or who was on ice, I think it's probably lacking a lot of context.
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I don’t know why you keep coming back to this - which players fault were these goals against.
@Tawnos point is that the team as a whole throughout this whole season has been prone to allowing opponents back into games, so with a three goal lead in the 1st or 2nd - it was still too early to change the game plan and redistribute minutes to give more ice to yuts. Later Quinn did do this in the 3rd when a possibility of Pens coming back turned slim.
 
kovazub94 said:
I don’t know why you keep coming back to this - which players fault were these goals against.
@Tawnos point is that the team as a whole throughout this whole season has been prone to allowing opponents back into games, so with a three goal lead in the 1st or 2nd - it was still too early to change the game plan and redistribute minutes to give more ice to yuts. Later Quinn did do this in the 3rd when a possibility of Pens coming back turned slim.
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Because it's a bad premise

Rangers have lost 0 games this year when they've been leading by 3 goals

They lost 1 game this year when they've led by 2

Lost 4 games when they have been leading in score at end of period 1, and won 11 of those.

Lost 2 games when leading in score at the end of period 2.

Given that, they were up by 3 goals at the end of the 1st period. A situation where they have not lost any games this season after.

If that is not safe enough to give the youth more ice time, then when is? Apparently only in the 3rd when up by 3-5 goals?

How often is that going to happen? And even when it has in the past, those Flyers games, and this game

Season average ice time
Laff 13:54
Kakko 14:57

Those Philly game 9-0 and 8-3 and then this 8-4 game

Laff 14:17, 13:23, 14:52
Kakko 14:25, 13:40, 14:43

If they can't give the kids a significant bump in ice time when they are winning, and by a lot, where they've never lost when up in score by that much, then when can they?
 
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Tawnos said:
It’s not about kids vs vets. It’s about the mental state of the whole team.
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It is about the kids when we topic is the development of the kids. I get it, development is secondary to gaining the playoffs with a team that is not anywhere near ready to win. Wins are important to the coaching staff and the FO. But...

If you are not realistically pushing for a Stanley cup win (the NYR is far away), and the development of your SC capable future is secondary (bury the kids), what ARE you doing?
 
CLW said:
It is about the kids when we topic is the development of the kids. I get it, development is secondary to gaining the playoffs with a team that is not anywhere near ready to win. Wins are important to the coaching staff and the FO. But...

If you are not realistically pushing for a Stanley cup win (the NYR is far away), and the development of your SC capable future is secondary (bury the kids), what ARE you doing?
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Why are you assuming their development isn't front and center? Maybe the organization just has a different path than you do? Maybe they feel having guys like Laff, Kakko, and Chytil play fewer minutes in higher stakes games is more important than playing more minutes in meaningless games.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Why are you assuming their development isn't front and center? Maybe the organization just has a different path than you do? Maybe they feel having guys like Laff, Kakko, and Chytil play fewer minutes in higher stakes games is more important than playing more minutes in meaningless games.
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The development is clearly not front and center when they get third line minutes with Smith and Hajek. That's not assuming anything. That's just an observation.

Look at Montreal and how they have failed to develop kids within their own organization for 2 decades. They failed because the FO and coaching staff put their own careers and immediate playoff appearances above the long term future and development of a winning team.

This is the exact game the NYR are playing right now with Quinn.
 
CLW said:
The development is clearly not front and center when they get third line minutes with Smith and Hajek. That's not assuming anything. That's just an observation.

Look at Montreal and how they have failed to develop kids within their own organization for 2 decades. They failed because the FO and coaching staff put their own careers and immediate playoff appearances above the long term future and development of a winning team.

This is the exact game the NYR are playing right now with Quinn.
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This is just a bunch of speculation on your part. There's nothing wrong with playing these kids on the third line, noting at all. Wanna play on the first two lines? Play better.
 
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CLW said:
The development is clearly not front and center when they get third line minutes with Smith and Hajek. That's not assuming anything. That's just an observation.

Look at Montreal and how they have failed to develop kids within their own organization for 2 decades. They failed because the FO and coaching staff put their own careers and immediate playoff appearances above the long term future and development of a winning team.

This is the exact game the NYR are playing right now with Quinn.
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They really should replace the entire FO with one that actually wants what's best for the team.
 
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Well, the track record of the Habs is crystal clear. I'm sure the same approach will work out so much better for the NYR.
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
They really should replace the entire FO with one that actually wants what's best for the team.
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Who said anything about replacing the FO? You have no argument so you need to spin to make an artificial point. Well done.
 
CLW said:
Well, the track record of the Habs is crystal clear. I'm sure the same approach will work out so much better for the NYR.


Who said anything about replacing the FO? You have no argument so you need to spin to make an artificial point. Well done.
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I can't argue against your hyperbole.

The misguided belief that nobody in the org has recognize that developing the young guys should be a priority is simply inane.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I can't argue against your hyperbole.

The misguided belief that nobody in the org has recognize that developing the young guys should be a priority is simply inane.
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Except I did not make that argument to start with. What is inane is to to fail at basic reading comprehension.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
They really should replace the entire FO with one that actually wants what's best for the team.
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No I think they should keep the entire FO whose singular purpose is making HF Boards posters so upset they write the same things tens, hundreds, and thousands of times.

It just dovetails nicely that there's also young players to ruin.
 
Why do some posters here feel the need to reduce everything to absurd extreme positions so they can create strawmen to attack, instead of speaking to the actual arguments being made? The same posters then claim to be victims of the strawmen positions they themselves put up. Very funny to observe. :)
 
CLW said:
Why do some posters here feel the need to reduce everything to absurd extreme positions so they can create strawmen to attack, instead of speaking to the actual arguments being made? The same posters then claim to be victims of the strawmen positions they themselves put up. Very funny to observe. :)
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Sometimes you need to blow something out of proportion to show the absurdity of the argument.

Case and point about Gorton, JD, Drury and Quinn all putting their careers ahead of what is good for the team and doing things that stunt the growth of prospects because of it.
 
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