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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

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Tawnos said:
I do really think that Quinn being out was the catalyst for Zibanejad getting over the hump mentally, but I think it’s a tough sell to use that as a criticism of Quinn as a coach.
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Imo zib had a huge game because he had been coming on and the flyers gave him as many awesome chances as he could ever ask for, and then those points got him over the hump mentally. I’m not sure he has a game like that at all if Philly doesn’t sleepwalk through 60 minutes of hockey. He’d have a good game eventually and feel good about it but something crazy like that all at once was enabled by such terrible play
 
haveandare said:
Imo zib had a huge game because he had been coming on and the flyers gave him as many awesome chances as he could ever ask for, and then those points got him over the hump mentally. I’m not sure he has a game like that at all if Philly doesn’t sleepwalk through 60 minutes of hockey. He’d have a good game eventually and feel good about it but something crazy like that all at once was enabled by such terrible play
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¿Por qué no los dos?
 
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Consider this. It was Quinn who stuck with him when he was lower than low. He hit rock bottom. Yet Quinn never removed him from the power play, the top line, or the lineup. Except for that one game where Quinn limited him to 10 minutes, every other game was consistent, while we -- me included -- were calling for benchings and even trades. In hindsight Quinn not removing him and continuing to have faith in him might be the biggest season saving move.
 
will1066 said:
Consider this. It was Quinn who stuck with him when he was lower than low. He hit rock bottom. Yet Quinn never removed him from the power play, the top line, or the lineup. Except for that one game where Quinn limited him to 10 minutes, every other game was consistent, while we -- me included -- were calling for benchings and even trades. In hindsight Quinn not removing him and continuing to have faith in him might be the biggest season saving move.
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Perhaps. Certainly plausible. Perhaps Quinn rode him too hard though based on last year’s success, demanded more from him, overloaded him with PK time and responsibilities when he was a walking corpse and Knoblauch, or simply not having Quinn there, gave him a sense of freedom from all of that. Who knows. Not saying one or the other is right. It does SEEM like the team is more care free and loose without Quinn. Coaches have different shelf lives. Eventually they all lose their room and stop being effective, regardless of their credentials. It is possible Quinn wore thin on a lot of the guys. Their body language and play in his absence suggest it’s possible.

It is ... interesting, at least, that he hasn’t just bounced back completely (as opposed to looking like he was warming up) since Quinn’s been sidelined, but has gone from maybe warming up to the hottest stretch of his entire career in the 5 games Quinn is gone. The team also is 4-1, out scoring their opponents 28-9 and their one loss was a one goal game. Could absolutely be a coincidence, but I still wonder if there’s any reason to change anything right now, including the current bench boss.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
but I still wonder if there’s any reason to change anything right now, including the current bench boss.
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This. After all that I said, I agree on this point. No rhyme or reason but you don't mess with success and ride it as long as possible
 
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Harbour Dog said:
I'm not pro- nor anti-Quinn, but there is a part of me that wants to hear the postgame presser if the team immediately takes a step back in effort when he returns. I guess I'm just a drama queen at heart.
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I see pros and cons with Quinn and I'm on board with being a drama queen in this particular instance as well.

I kind of feel like he yes, has done a lot for a lot of these guys. Though, it is possible he's 'lost' some guys as well. Maybe not 'lost' but maybe some guys have outgrown him.

I have always agreed that he is a great 'first coach of the rebuild' but I think it's time for us to get a coach with deep NHL playoff experience who has successfully managed a team with potentially elite kids.

Would not mind Knobs getting the nod either at this point.

I also don't mind Quinn coaching the remainder of this 'definitely not cup' season.
 
Tawnos said:
No more or less disingenuous than your post, which was my point.
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No, there’s nothing selective or disingenuous about mine

it’s numbers. I could have used the worse 5 game sample.

its just funny that the offensive explosion coincides with Quinn’s physical absence. But Quinnies don’t have a sense of humor and take this way too serious/personal
 
duhmetreE said:
There’s nothing selective about mine

it’s numbers. I could have used the worse 5 game sample.

its just funny that the offensive explosion coincides with Quinn’s physical absence. But Quinnies don’t have a sense of humor and take this way too serious and personal
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I dunno, the offensive explosion coincides with one team - the Flyers. The other games have been more or less the same. The biggest difference might be getting 2019-20 version of Zibanejad back.

Because when you look at who's scoring, it's very concentrated. It's not like the entire offense suddenly came alive and re-invented itself. I mean we have one guy who's scored 6 goals and 12 points in two games. That's some EA Sports level shit.
 
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Edge said:
I dunno, the offensive explosion coincides with one team - the Flyers. The other games have been more or less the same. The biggest difference might be getting 2019-20 version of Zibanejad back.

Because when you look at who's scoring, it's very concentrated. It's not like the entire offense suddenly came alive and re-invented itself. I mean we have one guy who's scored 6 goals and 12 points in two games. That's some EA Sports level shit.
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I agree, AVs flyers are horrendous. Truly was embarrassing. Nothing was reinvented, maybe reverted? We looked like the 2019 Rangers offensively. Once again, the timing of it all

It’s as concentrated as any other team. all the usual suspects are producing. Chytil line has struggled
 
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duhmetreE said:
No, there’s nothing selective or disingenuous about mine

it’s numbers. I could have used the worse 5 game sample.

its just funny that the offensive explosion coincides with Quinn’s physical absence. But Quinnies don’t have a sense of humor and take this way too serious/personal
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There is no world where comparing a coach's 5 game record to a coach's 27 game record isn't selective and isn't absurd. There's also no world where anyone would believe you were kidding.
 
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Tawnos said:
There is no world where comparing a coach's 5 game record to a coach's 27 game record isn't selective and isn't absurd. There's also no world where anyone would believe you were kidding.
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Yeah... OK..

It's comparing the team with Quinn and without Quinn. I put the all data available for this season. How you interpreted it, is not my fault. I did not cherry pick like you.

So, those numbers are absurd? It has nothing to do with Knoblauch and I never brought him up.
 
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