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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

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KooKoo4Kakko said:
What happens if Quinn comes back and the Rangers go into turtle mode again and lose a few games while getting completely outplayed?

Does he get the boot?

They showed some life these last few games under Knoblauch.
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At that point keep him until the year end as he would be a huge help for a tank for a poor finish and possibly better draft odds...we need to draft 5 centers this season and hope that one can turn out in 3-4 years time ...and again next season .
 
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Trxjw said:
Hmm. So either the team A) Was magically transformed by the simple act of Knoblauch traveling from Hartford to Manhattan or B) Quinn's system actually works just fine but needed our franchise center to pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey, thus stabilizing the rest of the lineup.

Tough call. Really, really tough.
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I mean, just to be fair, you could also infer that C) Quinn not being on the bench helped/enabled/created an opportunity for/caused Zibanejad to 'pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey,' couldn't you?
 
Trxjw said:
Hmm. So either the team A) Was magically transformed by the simple act of Knoblauch traveling from Hartford to Manhattan or B) Quinn's system actually works just fine but needed our franchise center to pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey, thus stabilizing the rest of the lineup.

Tough call. Really, really tough.
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That and not allowing 50 foot beach ball of slap shots to get through in first 5 minutes of the game..


Nah.......magical transformation
 
TheDirtyH said:
I mean, just to be fair, you could also infer that C) Quinn not being on the bench helped/enabled/created an opportunity for/caused Zibanejad to 'pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey,' couldn't you?
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Not really
 
He just needed to be away from the team and have someone else manage in-game. Magical
 
TheDirtyH said:
I'd ask you why not, but if there was a reason you'd have said so.
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Zib had a career year just last year playing for Quinn. What could have changed from then to the beginning of the season? Maybe you're right but it seems more logical that he's finally feeling better since Covid. I can't imagine Zib purposely dogging it that bad just to get back at his coach.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
I mean, just to be fair, you could also infer that C) Quinn not being on the bench helped/enabled/created an opportunity for/caused Zibanejad to 'pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey,' couldn't you?
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Except how do you explain that Zibanejad’s play at this level for the past two years UNDER Quinn?
 
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True Blue said:
In short, no, I do not believe that Quinn not being behind the bench has anything to do with Mika starting to resemble the player he has been for the last two years under Quinn.
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You should’ve bolded the last part just to make sure it’s not missed because apparently it’s not obvious.
 
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kovazub94 said:
Except how do you explain that Zibanejad’s play at this level for the past two years UNDER Quinn?
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It worked til it didn't? Gaborik excelled under Torts for a while there... Feel like this happens all the time in the NHL, hence why coaches don't last long.

To be clear, since everybody's struggling with the post I made, that's not my opinion. Just seems like any speculation about Quinn's absence--whether it helped us or changed nothing--is speculation. Everybody thinks they're right with just about the same amount of actual evidence.
 
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I like Dave.

I just can't help but compare Zibanejads insane Trottier game to that time Kreider scored a hatty against Vancouver the first time he played torts after he left.

Just a weird vibe that Knobs first night Zibanejad snaps out of it.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
I mean, just to be fair, you could also infer that C) Quinn not being on the bench helped/enabled/created an opportunity for/caused Zibanejad to 'pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey,' couldn't you?
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You could infer that, but seeing as there was no change in system, ice time, linemates, or deployment, it seems unlikely. So you could infer that, but it seems like you would be trying to create an inference to fit an already-drawn conclusion instead of analyzing the facts in front of you.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
I mean, just to be fair, you could also infer that C) Quinn not being on the bench helped/enabled/created an opportunity for/caused Zibanejad to 'pull his head out of his ass and start playing hockey,' couldn't you?
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Eh, he was showing signs of getting back on track for at least 4 games prior to Quinn getting Covid. Not to mention he played the best hockey of his career under Quinn last season. Pretty sure it's just a coincidence.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
It worked til it didn't? Gaborik excelled under Torts for a while there... Feel like this happens all the time in the NHL, hence why coaches don't last long.

To be clear, since everybody's struggling with the post I made, that's not my opinion. Just seems like any speculation about Quinn's absence--whether it helped us or changed nothing--is speculation. Everybody thinks they're right with just about the same amount of actual evidence.
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Listen, if you (general "you") are set on hating Quinn, any fact can be (mis)-interpreted in a way to continue to support your position.

Applicable not only to Quinn, Rangers or hockey - life in general.
 
Tawnos said:
I do really think that Quinn being out was the catalyst for Zibanejad getting over the hump mentally, but I think it’s a tough sell to use that as a criticism of Quinn as a coach.
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I guess it depends on how "catalyst" is defined. Having coaching staff being out due to covid could have worked to jolt the team as a whole (and Zibanejad personally) to step-up, not dissimilar to how teams react to a loss of a teammate due to injury. Same one for all type mentality.
 
kovazub94 said:
I guess it depends on how "catalyst" is defined. Having coaching staff being out due to covid could have worked to jolt the team as a whole (and Zibanejad personally) to step-up, not dissimilar to how teams react to a loss of a teammate due to injury. Same one for all type mentality.
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That's exactly how I mean it. Zibanejad even said something about that before the game... how they really need to come together and play for each other with the coach not being there. Being a leader of the team, he took that on himself.

He would've gotten there anyway without Quinn missing these games, but I think he needed something to get that final push, and this was it.
 
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Kodiak said:
You could infer that, but seeing as there was no change in system, ice time, linemates, or deployment, it seems unlikely. So you could infer that, but it seems like you would be trying to create an inference to fit an already-drawn conclusion instead of analyzing the facts in front of you.
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So all that changed was Quinn's presence on the bench... like I said...?
 
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