Amazing Kreiderman
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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV
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Next game would be #20, correct?
If they lose and JG does nothing about it at this point in the season then it's no longer about Quinn IMO
If they lose and JG does nothing about it at this point in the season then it's no longer about Quinn IMO
I dont think Giannone has much pull.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
Maybe you should Boston some credit. They responded to several rotten games by getting better and playing a more complete game. The Rangers--who are missing a number of regular players--were not able to keep up. That's not all on Quinn.
TheBloodyNine
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Yet the Rangers - who are missing a number of regular players - were able to embarrass the SAME EXACT TEAM not 36 hours before. There were no line up changes. I didn't say I expected them to win, but the effort difference between Friday and Sunday is alarming.
JHS
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I’d put the Boston game on Sunday aside for a minute and judge the overall nature of this season. If we are being honest, this season has been a nightmare for the Rangers. Multiple players leaving the lineup for many different reasons( injuries, personal issue, conduct issues) has really created an unstable environment( which is exactly the opposite of what you want young kids to develop in.) Let’s also highlight the complete inconsistent display each and every game and I think the key take away from this point in the season is, Quinn provides 0 consistency to the team, he provides next to nothing in terms of in games X’s and O’s, has failed to develop a single talent that’s come up under him( Fox and Miller did not develop under Quinn) is leading this team in the complete wrong direction, provides almost no clear playing style, has given this organization no identity except maybe being soft and easy to play against, has struggled to get the best from players( Mica last year stands out in opposition to this point) seems content to allow his bottom 6 to be complexly year comprised of outside the organization fringe NHL’s and overall just seems to be out coached each and every game.
I’m at a complete loss as to what the organization sees in the guy. I’m at a complete loss as to why he deserves to keep his job. I’m at a complete loss as to what the organization thinks will get better with him behind the bench. I’m at a complete loss as to how making a coaching change is not in order when other m, far superior coaches are available or will possibly soon be available. I’m not saying the time is now— I’d wait until probably the end of this season to see all the options for coaches that might be out there but, I’ll say this— If David Quinn is behind the Rangers bench next season this rebuild will turn into a perpetual .500 or below, 5 plus year nightmare.
I’m at a complete loss as to what the organization sees in the guy. I’m at a complete loss as to why he deserves to keep his job. I’m at a complete loss as to what the organization thinks will get better with him behind the bench. I’m at a complete loss as to how making a coaching change is not in order when other m, far superior coaches are available or will possibly soon be available. I’m not saying the time is now— I’d wait until probably the end of this season to see all the options for coaches that might be out there but, I’ll say this— If David Quinn is behind the Rangers bench next season this rebuild will turn into a perpetual .500 or below, 5 plus year nightmare.
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My biggest concerns at the moment.
There's no doubt in my mind that he's gone in the offseason, we just have to suffer through it
Machinehead
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Me begging Quinn to adjust and then he adjusts
No "adjustment" from Quinn is going to mask his #1 center going from a guy that scored 41 goals in 57 games last season to an AHL player this season. Nevermind that it's asking a lot for a rookie coach and the youngest team in the league to seamlessly integrate NHL-level adjustments as the going gets tough.
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Well, he can start by giving other players opportunities to step up.
We have very little control over Mika and his struggles. We can control his playing time and usage.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
This is the biggest issue with the Rangers this season, not to mention Panarin's current issue and all of the other injuries, Covid sits, & roster issues.
As I said in the Mika thread he currently has 2 goals 6 points in 19 games (and I believe 1 G, 1A of that were empty netters).
Conversely he had 21 goals, 32 points in his final 19 of last season. Obviously that was an historic clip, but if he even produced HALF of that thus far this season thats 8-9 more goals and a few more assists. So lets call it 10-12 added goals for the team.
The Rangers have had 8 one goal game losses. Sprinkle those goals around and you are looking at a Rangers team that is right in the middle of things and probably in a playoff spot because every game is a 4-point division game.
Now I am not saying Quinn is some great coach. Not defending him at all. I agree his in game management is poor and there is a habit of the team being unprepared or motivated for some games. I'm not as concerned as others about the "mishandling" of the youth. I think that is overblown to a certain extent.
But when your #1 center and best all around forward isn't producing at all it is a huge problem. Then throw in the other issues at the top and you actually have a situation where some could argue he is doing a hell of a job.
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TheBloodyNine
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If he can’t seamlessly integrate NHL-level adjustments then he doesn’t belong coaching in the NHL.
eco's bones
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Boston was doing a back to back and their 3rd in 4 nights as well. It probably speaks more to their energy level when they faced us in the first game and guys like Bergeron and Marchand are older players. That day off and very humbling defeats to both the Isles and the Rangers--they were looking for revenge.
TheBloodyNine
Pure Bred Soviet Savage
It’s not the results on the scoreboard but the change in effort between the two games that was bad in that situation. Everyone in the world knew Boston was gonna win that game. Doesn’t mean the Rangers had to just roll over and give it to them.
eco's bones
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I'm not into Sutter.
As for Gauthier there has been some improvement from last year to this year in overall play. That said as a winger--Panarin, Kreider, Buchnevich, Kakko, Lafreniere should all be playing ahead of him. Blackwell has sparked the team in a number of games and DiGiuseppe is a more consistently rounded player. Lemieux provides more energy and grit. Gauthier has got to make it by working his way up through the lineup. I don't see where he's been maligned or picked on. To me the guys on your bottom lines help themselves sometimes by taking on some of the more unappreciated jobs and succeeding at them. I think it would be a step for Julien if he was put in the penalty kill rotation. There's a bit of trust needed from the coaching staff for that but it's a way to add more ice time. In that regard Julien has been slowing building his TOI to 9:35. It was a lot lower than that earlier in the season so he has been getting more ice time.
As for Gauthier there has been some improvement from last year to this year in overall play. That said as a winger--Panarin, Kreider, Buchnevich, Kakko, Lafreniere should all be playing ahead of him. Blackwell has sparked the team in a number of games and DiGiuseppe is a more consistently rounded player. Lemieux provides more energy and grit. Gauthier has got to make it by working his way up through the lineup. I don't see where he's been maligned or picked on. To me the guys on your bottom lines help themselves sometimes by taking on some of the more unappreciated jobs and succeeding at them. I think it would be a step for Julien if he was put in the penalty kill rotation. There's a bit of trust needed from the coaching staff for that but it's a way to add more ice time. In that regard Julien has been slowing building his TOI to 9:35. It was a lot lower than that earlier in the season so he has been getting more ice time.
eco's bones
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Coyle made a great play for the first goal. Then Ritchie fell on top of Georgiev--forcing Shesterkin in the game while they were checking out Alex for a concussion. They then made a play to the net that deflected in off of Frederic. Boston knows how to play with a lead and being up 2-0 after 1 period they could tighten up their D and wait for more mistakes. That the Rangers were ineffectual against a very good team in mounting a comeback isn't really a surprise to me. It's important for us to not be chasing games. We have a very young team and we really don't have a lot of success in mounting comebacks.
TheBloodyNine
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Still doesn't explain away a lack of caring and effort. Again, everyone knew they were winning that game, doesn't mean the Rangers had to roll out the red carpet for them. That wasn't a game that you could look at and say "Hey at least they tried their best," rather you walk away from that game saying "do they even care?"
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And just to build on your post - it’s not smart to evaluate a coach’s ability based on a particular game - specifically on a weekend afternoon game against a top-tier opponent that had something to prove after an underwhelming stretch of games.
through 20 odd games the Rangers showed that they are able to hang tough and get their share of wins against the best of the league.
further, with a significantly depleted lineup the team didn’t give up and Quinn’s lineup changes (Kreider-Strome connection, Lafreniere, Blackwell promotion) worked too.
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