Confirmed with Link: David Quinn Dismissed

[Edge]

It's almost like you're blaming the GM & President of a hockey team for a moron defenseman's mouth/actions and a half assed political hit job from Russia. That's hard to do, but you did it

Should we give credit to them for Kravtsov? Miller? Lundqvist? Roberston? Shesterkin? Schneider?

Should we give them credit for turning us from an abysmal pool to top-2? I believe yes. Because they did. Whatever Drury does from here on, he's starting with a top prospect pool. It's his job to get it to SC Contender status AND KEEP IT THERE FOR AS LONG AS POSS

But he's starting on 1st & 2nd base instead of down 2 runs, with 2 out no one on and 2 strikes in the 9th

Re: Kakko and Lafreniere, sure there's luck there.

But I think there's a very real possibility that we replace those two with Zegras and Lundell if we don't win those lotteries.

It's not like the difference in the lotteries is the difference between a top tier farm system and a bottom tier. It could be the difference between being first or second, compared to being ranked 4th or 5th.

There's this luck narrative that's been throw out there, but I don't think it takes into account that the Rangers had zeroed in some blue chip talent that would've worked out very well even if they hadn't won the lottery.

So it's not really an either/or scenario.

 

[Edge]

Pretty difficult not to let your real feelings show about a topic, and at the other end, we're pretty good at reading between the lines. Giving praise is definitely not the same as speaking cordially and being diplomatic.

I'd like to hear Quinn's side of the story. Has he given any interviews?

My curiosity factor is that in the period since all this transpired, I feel like on any given day we've heard different reasons, or in some cases borderline contradictory reasons on certain topics.

It could very well be all of the above. But there's also this lingering feeling that they know the moves raises some eyebrows and so they're trying to find something that sticks so that it doesn't look quite so radical or even knee-jerkish.

Clearly that messenger is Uncle Larry, who will be very eager to get inside access again after years of having to write speculation pieces. Access means clicks, and clicks mean job security.

And I say this as someone who isn't heartbroken to see Quinn go.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

I promise not to doubt you again if you can answer:

Is "Baby Punisher" like a baby version of the Punisher, or someone who punishes babies?

If we're talking about the babies that ruin movies and make sleep impossible on an airplane, I hope it's the latter.

I take that back. he should be punishing the parents.

 

[Tawnos]

Didn't he just write an article a few days ago where he quoted marquee players who praised their coach?

Yes, because "disconnect" and "losing the team" aren't really the same thing.

You can have a disconnect and still retain the loyalty and motivation of the players. You can lose the loyalty and motivation of the players and still have everyone on the same page.

At the end of Tortorella's stint, there was no disconnect between him and the players... the players just didn't want him there anymore.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

so when they say things you don't agree with they are lying. when things are implied that you do agree with they are fact?

Who said this?

I'm just saying that no one is going to go out of their way to kick dirt on their coach especially when it isn't a given that he won't be back next year. I don't think our guys would have done this even if he were fired before hand, they're not all Tony DeAngelos on the mic.

I don't remember seeing/hearing high praise for Quinn from anyone other than Strome (who, btw, as @smoneil pointed out, was publicly bitching about how DQ didn't let the big guys play the way that they wanted to play as recently as a few ago.) Mika straight up avoided answering the question about whether or not he'd like to see Quinn back next year.

Plus I think the fact that hes gone gives more credence to the idea that there was a pretty big disconnect between coach and players if you don't want to look at the way that they performed on the ice at all (where it was very clear that there was.)

 

[Edge]

Yes, because "disconnect" and "losing the team" aren't really the same thing.

You can have a disconnect and still retain the loyalty and motivation of the players. You can lose the loyalty and motivation of the players and still have everyone on the same page.

At the end of Tortorella's stint, there was no disconnect between him and the players... the players just didn't want him there anymore.

Which is also interesting, because in the same general conversation there's a lot of doubt about our core group to begin with. So it's going to be interesting to see how a new coach comes and evaluates certain guys, and to see how those guys respond.

 

[kovazub94]

@kovazub94

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[tomobson]

I really never understood why ppl defended Quinn, especially with how this season was unfolding, but there are a lot of coaches available and a couple more will probably fall loose after the playoffs so the rangers have plenty of options to move this team in the right direction. I'm definitely one of the believers who felt that he lost the room. It wasn't an outright mutiny but the rangers were not playing David Quinn hockey and that was confirmed by the coach in plenty of his post game rants. If he hung around for another year we probably would have seen a mutiny and there is just no reason to take that chance. Good call by Drury for moving on from a coach he had a big part in handpicking. Not every move works out but at least he was able to put his ego aside and move on from a decision that could have gotten downright ugly next season. I don't believe Drury is willing to take a chance on another inexperienced NHL coach but there are enough out there to feel comfortable that this team will improve in the coaching department.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Gardner McKay]

Now we all pray that the Pens get bounced in the first round and that Burke wants to bring in his own coach

If I am being honest, I'd prefer Sully over Gallant. If Sullivan is available he is my #1 target.

 

[Edge]

If I am being honest, I'd prefer Sully over Gallant. If Sullivan is available he is my #1 target.

I don't love Gallant, though he might be the most agreeable choice of who is out there.

I think he will help them take the next steps, though I am not sure he's the guy who gets them to the promised land. There's a lingering doubt for me that it is probably the guy after him.

 

[Synergy27]

But I think there's a very real possibility that we replace those two with Zegras and Lundell if we don't win those lotteries.

A topic for a different thread, surely, but this plays right into the unlucky even when we're lucky idea. I think this team is in a much better position, at least near-term, had things played out this way.

The sunk costs/massive investments already made on the wings would be much easier to swallow if those guys were paired with dynamic, but raw, centers. Also, the prospect of trading Zibanejad for more assets becomes a much more straightforward process when the team's future 1 and 2Cs are already in the system. Now we are faced with several linked moves that need to be strategically planned and executed in order to get from A to B.

I love Kakko, but I really wish we moved him for Zegras as soon as the Laf ping pong ball fell to us. I don't know if the Ducks make the move then, but they definitely don't now. Would have simplified things greatly.

 

[Edge]

A topic for a different thread, surely, but this plays right into the unlucky even when we're lucky idea. I think this team is in a much better position, at least near-term, had things played out this way.

The sunk costs/massive investments already made on the wings would be much easier to swallow if those guys were paired with dynamic, but raw, centers. Also, the prospect of trading Zibanejad for more assets becomes a much more straightforward process when the team's future 1 and 2Cs are already in the system. Now we are faced with several linked moves that need to be strategically planned and executed in order to get from A to B.

I love Kakko, but I really wish we moved him for Zegras as soon as the Laf ping pong ball fell to us. I don't know if the Ducks make the move then, but they definitely don't now. Would have simplified things greatly.

Unfortunately, those types of deals usually don't happen anyway. Even now I wouldn't trade Kakko for Zegras --- and I love Zegras. Kakko looks like he's ready to become a beast out there.

If there is a silver lining to someone like Gallant, it's that in theory two kids like Lafreniere and Kakko should be right in his wheel house.

I think the real shame is that we couldn't get the Edmonton discussions across the finish line in our discussions heading into and during the 2019 draft.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

If I am being honest, I'd prefer Sully over Gallant. If Sullivan is available he is my #1 target.

Went to the Penguins board. They think would be a great fit here but don't think he will become available, barring a horrible play off showing.

 

[mas0764]

Unfortunately, those types of deals usually don't happen anyway. Even now I wouldn't trade Kakko for Zegras --- and I love Zegras. Kakko looks like he's ready to become a beast out there.

If there is a silver lining to someone like Gallant, it's that in theory two kids like Lafreniere and Kakko should be right in his wheel house.

I think the real shame is that we couldn't get the Edmonton discussions across the finish line in our discussions heading into and during the 2019 draft.

Gives me nightmares. If we had Zegras at this point we'd be golden.

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

Well, if we can't get Sullivan there's a guy available who's very much like him.

Quinn.

 

[Edge]

Gives me nightmares. If we had Zegras at this point we'd be golden.

That's why there was such a push for that pick. They were set to take him at 6, and then came damn close to landing the 9th pick --- the cost would've been Buch.

 

[will1066]

Time will reveal the true problem at hand.

 

[Edge]

Time will reveal the true problem at hand.

It could. Or time could also along things to mature, grow and move forward as well.

The Rangers are a team on the climb, so improvement should be expected next year, and the year after, etc.

The more debated question might be the one that's hardest to answer --- are the Rangers improving less than expected, more than expected, or as expected next season.

 

[mas0764]

That's why there was such a push for that pick. They were set to take him at 6, and then came damn close to landing the 9th pick --- the cost would've been Buch.

I just wish they'd still pursue a lead like that.

Certainly Buch must carry just as much value now that he's really developed. I'll even throw in a defenseman. Reunanen, Rykov, Skinner, Hajek, Ragnarsson, take your pick.

 

[Edge]

I just wish they'd still pursue a lead like that.

Certainly Buch must carry just as much value now that he's really developed. I'll even throw in a defenseman. Reunanen, Rykov, Skinner, Hajek, Ragnarsson, take your pick.

Buch's value has certainly increased, but he also has less term. How that balances out is a bit of an unknown. You could have teams that fully expect to sign him make a nice offer, you could have the Rangers allow teams to negotiate, or the Rangers could just get best value for him and call it a day. (They could also hold onto him.)

 

[gravey9]

It feels like there's going to be some really important player movement for NYR this offseason. That's usually not a great time to also be in the market for a new coach. A coach likes to have say in these matters, but a coach who hasn't actually coached the existing players is at a big deficit. Bringing in a new coach and potentially changing key elements of the team at the same time just seems tricky. Take a hypothetical like: Gallant might mesh really well with Zib and get even more out of him whereas he could hate Jack Eichel. But you just don't know. It's hard enough to find the right mix when you change one major element but it becomes complete guesswork when changing multiple key elements at the same time.

I would hope that Drury is very cautious this off-season. And if that means not as many moves happen, i'm fine with that. I've seen what happens when the Rangers try to completely remake everything in an offseason. Like that Fleury, Quintal, Lefebvre, Kamensky offseason. We've already changed gm/pres and soon coaching staff. And to start swapping out top 6 forwards for presumed core pieces in trades -- that's incredibly disruptive. And could really set back whatever foundation is there team-wise. And i'm not sure this team needed to be disrupted THIS much. I think we need to add pieces more than cut the entire head off.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Well, if we can't get Sullivan there's a guy available who's very much like him.

Quinn.

Aside from their looks in similarities, there is nothing similar about them.

 

[bobbop]

Brind'Amour is using the Rangers as leverage with the Canes. I still don't expect him to come to New York but if things don't get settled there soon, that door may get kicked open.

 

[rangers1314]

Brind'Amour is using the Rangers as leverage with the Canes. I still don't expect him to come to New York but if things don't get settled there soon, that door may get kicked open.

Right, and I think hes using them as leverage to get his staff taken care of, not a bigger number for himself.