Confirmed with Link: David Quinn Dismissed

[CLW]

Larry with 3 consecutive articles selling Gallant and the most recent one talking down Tortorella. I can see Slats preparing fans for a Gallant hire and seeing it as more sensible and positive by talking down the very obvious fanfare around Tortorella. So Slats gets Larry to kill that idea and boost Gallant. If it's Gallant, the hiring would be within a week or less if he's leaving to Latvia for the Men's WC.

Lol. Following Ranger politics borders on Kremlinology for reading tea leaves.

 

[mas0764]

people seem to be arguing about it. Seems like you're a bit of a dick head

Don’t be so cranky

 

[Number 9]

Don’t be so cranky

Sorry, I am legit cranky my bad..

 

[Baby Punisher]

I just came here to say that I told you so. I told you all several weeks ago Quinn and Groton could be fired and I was mocked and ridiculed. Never doubt me again.

 

[Kovalev27]

why would you ignore how he handles his other team?

maybe read my actual post it’s self explanatory

 

[2014nyr]

I'm not saying he hates the kids, but...

1. You don't develop them as defensive players. Look at the greats. Yzerman, Modano, Sakic, Sundin, Forsberg... they all developed offensively first and then became great defensive players. Find me a player that started as a defensive player and became an elite offensive forward.

2. You put your young talents in positions to succeed, not fail. He didn't do that with Lafreniere or Kakko. He had Kravtsov playing with plugs. Sorry, but that's now how you develop young talent.

3. Lafreniere didn't play on a power play that for a vast majority of the year was a bottom-10 unit and if it wasn't for a couple of games against Philly and a stretch against Buffalo and NJ, it would have still been a bottom-10 unit. Why wouldn't you give your 1st overall pick an avenue to develop some confidence, especially when both units were struggling mightily?

You say the NHL isn't a developmental league. What did Nathan MacKinnon do then? Players develop at the NHL level. They don't just come in automatically ready. The ones that do are rare exceptions to the rule.

1. he didn't develop them as defensive players. in kakkos case - he was never an offensive dynamo. he put up nice numbers all the way up and certainly has some skill. but he's not a dynamo in the sense he generated flying all over the ice, beating guys 1 on 1 etc. he was a smart player who knew where to get open to shoot, was extremely smart with body positioning on walls / possession, and had great hands in tight spaces / a nose for the dirty areas. those are hard things to do at 18 in this league - he showed tremendous growth this year. he's a guy i absolutely expect to break out to 50+ pts next year. he's not a guy i see being an elite 90+ guy, more 65-75 in his prime, but one you want on your side in the playoffs. he was not at all held back by being forced to play defense. he's been held back by a big lack of footspeed / lack of strength to play that game - both of which improved tremendously this year. the guys you mentioned were from a different era. look at a kucherov, barkov, terravainen, aho - they grew into what they became over years - most weren't here at 18/19. lafreniere is a different player and going to put up a ton of points. soon. he wasn't held back by anything but not being quite ready early. reasons beyond his control. but it was a tough adjustment for him. i expect him to look more like a svechnikov year 2 numbers wise.

2. he put them in positions they weren't in over their heads. i'd argue the best thing that happened to laf was that kid line. it put him in a lower profile spot where he was more confident trying to create rather than just looking to get it back to mika/buch. as he had success there his confidence grew, and when he was put back on the top line later he was a completely different player. i'd posit that was putting him in a position to succeed.

3. i'd agree later in the year you can make a case he should have gotten a look there. but it won't set him back any, pretty sure he's not gonna forget what to do with a puck. this is an unusual roster for a 1st overall, his time will come. putting him there early would not have helped his confidence, the game was clearly too fast then, it could have killed his confidence to not have success there either though.

4. correct, i said the nhl is not a developmental league. as in, you do not coach your roster around the future at the expense of the present. management may design a roster around essentially forcing young players into bigger roles, but when the season starts the roster is the roster and you set it with a mindset of trying to win. i did not at all say players can't develop once they're in the nhl. but that development comes from what they put into it. obviously teams provide any resources they can to that end - my comment was specifically directed at how you allocate playing time. but the major leaps for the players that make them occur over summers. coaches try to provide advice on certain parts of the game, pointing out missed reads or how to position better in a wall battle etc...but what ultimately dictates the end result is what level of physical ability is there - what players put into it to maximize theirs - and what mental commitment they make to doing it consistently. to that end, the players drive that bus. mackinnon developed the way he did because of what he put into it, not because he got more mins of pp time as a rookie or the avs coaches teaching him how to shoot better.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

For some reason his firing wasn’t as satisfying as I had expected. I think DQ is actually just a really decent and good guy, kinda feel bad for him even though it was objectively the right decision

 

[UnSandvich]

For some reason his firing wasn’t as satisfying as I had expected. I think DQ is actually just a really decent and good guy, kinda feel bad for him even though it was objectively the right decision

Yeah. Quinn was just over his head, and I feel for him there. On the other hand, I absolutely loathed Vigneault by the end. 0 accountability with him

 

[Machinehead]

 

[huerter]

Donny La Gretzky wants to be an authority on hockey oh so badly but he is such a donkity donk.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I want Sullivan

 

[TheBloodyNine]

For some reason his firing wasn’t as satisfying as I had expected. I think DQ is actually just a really decent and good guy, kinda feel bad for him even though it was objectively the right decision

I think that's because there's no slam dunk candidate out there right now. I mean, he deserved to be fired 110%, it's just that the replacement coaches right now don't necessarily leap off the page.

 

[FoxyClean]

I think that's because there's no slam dunk candidate out there right now. I mean, he deserved to be fired 110%, it's just that the replacement coaches right now don't necessarily leap off the page.

I mean if we can get Gallant, Brindamour, or Sullivan (presuming a Pitt collapse), that would be fantastic.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I mean if we can get Gallant, Brindamour, or Sullivan (presuming a Pitt collapse), that would be fantastic.

Brind'Amour and Sullivan have about a 1% chance of happening. Gallant I'm good with but not even sure he's the right guy.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I just came here to say that I told you so. I told you all several weeks ago Quinn and Groton could be fired and I was mocked and ridiculed. Never doubt me again.

By who though? Bc there were certain posters who mocked and ridiculed any criticism of the Rangers coaching and FO no matter how valid it was. Soon as JD was hired those people got pulled into simpdom hard

 

[Baby Punisher]

By who though? Bc there were certain posters who mocked and ridiculed any criticism of the Rangers coaching and FO no matter how valid it was. Soon as JD was hired those people got pulled into simpdom hard

It doesn't matter. they know who they are.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Brind'Amour and Sullivan have about a 1% chance of happening. Gallant I'm good with but not even sure he's the right guy.

I agree. I'm not sure Gallant has the personality for NY. Brind'Amour would be great. Sully, would be great too.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It doesn't matter. they know who they are.

I got "The rock" vibes

 

[MrKriben]

Swedish major newspaper is reporting that Vaxjö HC's head coach Sam Hallam is interviewing for Rangers HeadCoach job.
Sam Hallam has been at Växjö since 12/13 and won 3 titles during that time.
Type of hockey is stong defense creates great defense. He is good at polishing prospects and making them shine and also he in my mind is a really good matchcoach who can see and play the ones that is hot for the day.
Has no problem putting the bigger names on the side if the preformance is not up to the par.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Swedish major newspaper is reporting that Vaxjö HC's head coach Sam Hallam is interviewing for Rangers HeadCoach job.
Sam Hallam has been at Växjö since 12/13 and won 3 titles during that time.
Type of hockey is stong defense creates great defense. He is good at polishing prospects and making them shine and also he in my mind is a really good matchcoach who can see and play the ones that is hot for the day.
Has no problem putting the bigger names on the side if the preformance is not up to the par.

Eh, seems like they are going in the direction of hiring a veteran coach who has been around the block for a while, hiring another coach with no NHL games under his belt doesn't really seem like a path they will take.

 

[chosen]

You disagree with me in the interpretations of things I said??

Illogical thinking is confusing.

Person A wasnt up to an assigned task.

Person A didn't have a negative aspect on the task he was in charge of.

 

[chosen]

If its Gallant/Brindamour you wont be hearing from me. Even if its Torts/Hartley/Boudreau/Julien/Babcock you wont be hearing from me. So long as they bring in experience I will be patient because I trust experience. And if it fails, so be it, but going the route of experience is the way to go.

I wasn't referring to you. A certain segment of fans likes being angry at whomever is in charge. That won't change.

 

[chosen]

It's not a one or the other. Panarin, Strome, Zib--they ALL played N/S when the situation called for it last season and in previous seasons. It's not their preferred brand of hockey, and they realized that they could ignore it this year because Quinn wouldn't draw a line in the sand. Both the players and the coach are at fault. It's easier to replace the coach. And that's what they did. I would hope, if the big 5 (if they are all still here next season) try to pull this again, the next coach sits them down for a game to send a message. Frankly, I'd be looking to move at least one (and Strome is the main target, as the most vocally brazen and as the least valuable of the four who can be moved) of them just so they won't walk in with the same mindset to start next season. It's never a good thing when a clique of players start thinking that they run the whole show.

I don't believe Panarin and Zib played any differently than they have in their respective careers and they shouldn't.

I also don't believe Quinn had any issues with those two.

 

[Player big P]

I just came here to say that I told you so. I told you all several weeks ago Quinn and Groton could be fired and I was mocked and ridiculed. Never doubt me again.

I promise not to doubt you again if you can answer:

Is "Baby Punisher" like a baby version of the Punisher, or someone who punishes babies?

 

[egelband]

I promise not to doubt you again if you can answer:

Is "Baby Punisher" like a baby version of the Punisher, or someone who punishes babies?

I’ve asked this before too. Never got an answer. It’s a keystone mystery.