Confirmed with Link: David Nonis TML GM|Brian Burke Hired as Senior Advisor - II

[AndMat*]

LMAO, there`s a vote of confidence

I do not know what the question is but I do not believe this has to do with Luongo. Burke getting fired for not getting Luongo is bs, if the board wanted Luongo they would have made Cliff Fletcher Interim GM to make this deal. All we can do is wait time will tell.

 

[Penalty Kill Icing*]

I really really hope Nonis makes own decisions and doesn't act MLSE puppet.

Secondly, I also hope he doesn't trade away Gardiner or our 1st for Bobby Lu. I'd be pretty saddened if that were to happen.

 

[Confucius]

The one silver lining of Burke's firing is that we dont have a GM who will be stressed to make a move for the sake of it in this shortened season.

Me personally, I think we should ride the season with what we have.... see if we can unload Connolly and Lombardi, then start a fresh in the summer

Short season, they`re gone anyway. Be a miracle to get rid of them with what`s left of this year.

 

[trellaine201]

I wonder why Bobbie Mac never pursued a managerial position. That's a guy who sounds like he'd do it right.

True. Hes the only analyst that makes sense! I cant stand most of the sportnset crew and most tsn guys. Complete baffoons.

Bobby i can handle and seems rational.

 

[ALine]

Rebuilding an organization does not mean tearing down the team. You hear the word "rebuild" and think it means you trade away talent for draft picks and hope it sticks but the world rebuild is to take something that didn't work and rebuild it into something that does. The Leafs have not had good enough scouting and player development and that's why we have not been able to develop our own NHL talent. If we bring in the right people it doesn't matter where you draft you will find and cultivate talent, thats why you see the same teams do it over and over again. If we were able to make the playoffs with this roster and they still rebuild the front office, its possible to add new scouts/coaches/administration while keeping the team mostly intact. It could also aid us long term by finally providing a sustainable amount of home grown talent to augment the team via trades and prospects making the jump.

Everyone thinks the job of the GM is to make trades and sign free agents for the NHL team, but the job is to make sure the franchise keeps replenishing talent in all aspects to allow for long term success. That is where Brian Burke has failed the most.

And you think 4 years is enough time to develop the organization to a level of constant replenishment of talent?

 

[Longshot]

Rebuilding an organization does not mean tearing down the team. You hear the word "rebuild" and think it means you trade away talent for draft picks and hope it sticks but the world rebuild is to take something that didn't work and rebuild it into something that does. The Leafs have not had good enough scouting and player development and that's why we have not been able to develop our own NHL talent. If we bring in the right people it doesn't matter where you draft you will find and cultivate talent, thats why you see the same teams do it over and over again. If we were able to make the playoffs with this roster and they still rebuild the front office, its possible to add new scouts/coaches/administration while keeping the team mostly intact. It could also aid us long term by finally providing a sustainable amount of home grown talent to augment the team via trades and prospects making the jump.

Everyone thinks the job of the GM is to make trades and sign free agents for the NHL team, but the job is to make sure the franchise keeps replenishing talent in all aspects to allow for long term success. That is where Brian Burke has failed the most.

I didn't mean starting over with the whole roster. I just meant with the front office.

I disagree with your last point. I think Burke has done a very good job of restocking the organization top to bottom (seriously, look at the state of the whole organization when he took over). I actually think he has been doing a good job of rebuilding the depth of the entire organization (players and management). There are a lot of young players coming up through the system (the success of the Marlies speaks to that).

I think where Burke failed the most was embarking on a quasi-rebuild. Has he rebuilt the entire organization? Yes. But then in an effort to "fast track" things he made the Kessel deal and cost him the chance to acquire the draft lottery talent that would be the cherries on top of his efforts.

Anyway, I think I'm off topic. I think MLSE believes Nonis is the hockey's team's AA. I might be wrong. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[Woodman19]

And you think 4 years is enough time to develop the organization to a level of constant replenishment of talent?

Yes it is, if we have an organization full of talented coaches/scouts/administration we are now looking at a ton of great players coming up through the system and making good trades rather then a pile of depth prospects and only able to acquire big name overpaid players.

 

[TheBigThree]

Nonis on fan590 at 6

 

[dimi78]

My take is that Burke yielding enough power that he could of single handedly pulled off a Luongo deal to squeeze into the playoffs and decided to take the power out of his hands the only way they could and since no one is available who is a long term GM option they are letting it ride through the season. Once the season ends and we fail to make the playoffs we will can the entire front office and look for the next hot shot young GM to rebuild the entire organization from top to bottom ala Alex Anthopolous. If that is anything to go by with their handling of the Jays, Rogers will keep their hands off and let the hockey guys run the hockey team.

Anthopolous was J.P Richardi's assistant when the Jay's(Rogers) fired him and hired A.A.

 

[Penalty Kill Icing*]

I'll be in lecture @ 6. Any notes will be appreciated

 

[Woodman19]

I didn't mean starting over with the whole roster. I just meant with the front office.

I disagree with your last point. I think Burke has done a very good job of restocking the organization top to bottom (seriously, look at the state of the whole organization when he took over). I actually think he has been doing a good job of rebuilding the depth of the entire organization (players and management). There are a lot of young players coming up through the system (the success of the Marlies speaks to that).

I think where Burke failed the most was embarking on a quasi-rebuild. Has he rebuilt the entire organization? Yes. But then in an effort to "fast track" things he made the Kessel deal and cost him the chance to acquire the draft lottery talent that would be the cherries on top of his efforts.

Anyway, I think I'm off topic. I think MLSE believes Nonis is the hockey's team's AA. I might be wrong. We'll find out soon enough.

I will disagree with you as well, before Burke, JFJ staff showed the ability to find many gems in the draft and lots of players have broken into the league at various levels of talent. We have seen that decrease under Burke and just because he spent money hiring ex GM's who were fired doesn't equate to "rebuilding the front office". To successfully rebuild you need to have a degree of success and that he has not managed to do.

 

[Liminality]

I think this was too soon, should have left this until the end of his contract and play it out. This all just happened at weird timing and it seems that something must have happened to trigger this.

I just find it sad that it seems more people hated Burke as a person than as a GM. Hope he stays here as a senior advisor but I bet another team scoops him up in no time.

 

[Longshot]

And you think 4 years is enough time to develop the organization to a level of constant replenishment of talent?

You can make the argument that Burke has spent the past four years building up the organization to the point that it's ready to do exactly that. The Marlies are an AHL contender and there is decent list of players in the system that we can honestly talk about as potential NHLers in the near term.

In some ways, they may have fired him just as his efforts were about to start paying off (depending on how you feel about the quality of the players coming up through the system).

 

[bluebarry]

im a bb fan so im biased, but what i hate most about this decision is that it wasn't made for a rational hockey related reason. It was a media issue slash personal issue the board had with burke. Nonis and staff are interim, new ownership will want this to be their team assuming they don't all jump ship as soon as burke lands a new gig.

next up the board disavoys resigning kessel and phaneuf reasons- roger media experts say the don;t interview well.....

 

[Woodman19]

Anthopolous was J.P Richardi's assistant when the Jay's(Rogers) fired him and hired A.A.

Sometimes you have that hot shot in house but one would think that since Nonis has a previous track record you can clearly conclude that he is not a person you can trust to oversee a complete organizational rebuild.

 

[Cor]

Yes it is, if we have an organization full of talented coaches/scouts/administration we are now looking at a ton of great players coming up through the system and making good trades rather then a pile of depth prospects and only able to acquire big name overpaid players.

If you think 3 1/2 years (which is what Burke has had) is enough to build a good team, you're wrong.

It took LA 11 years, Edmonton has been building for what 5 or 6 years, and they still aren't close....

The problem with this organization is that they give GM's 3 or 4 years and then they are out. We need stability, which is what I thought we had when we hired Burke.

Look at the Rangers, and Detroit, and Philly, and Pittsburgh, and New Jersey, and they have 1 thing in common, their GM's have been there for 6+ years.

 

[AndMat*]

Anselmi also said on the fan he believes one of burke's Legacy will be the Organization he has put together, and that Nonis is the right guy for the job. You guy's should listen to the interview on the fan.

Like i said before this has to do with burkes attitude towards the board and nothing else. you can't tell the media you fired someone cuz of their attitude

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

im a bb fan so im biased, but what i hate most about this decision is that it wasn't made for a rational hockey related reason. It was a media issue slash personal issue the board had with burke. Nonis and staff are interim, new ownership will want this to be their team assuming they don't all jump ship as soon as burke lands a new gig.

next up the board disavoys resigning kessel and phaneuf reasons- roger media experts say the don;t interview well.....

That's the issue I have as a fan with this move. I'm neutral on Burke, he made good and bad moves, but the purported rationale is idiocy

 

[Longshot]

I will disagree with you as well, before Burke, JFJ staff showed the ability to find many gems in the draft and lots of players have broken into the league at various levels of talent. We have seen that decrease under Burke and just because he spent money hiring ex GM's who were fired doesn't equate to "rebuilding the front office". To successfully rebuild you need to have a degree of success and that he has not managed to do.

Could you provide some examples of Ferguson's success in this regard?

I would say the same thing about Burke. Kadri, Colborne, Gardiner, Scrivens, Rynnas (Hockey has been off so long, my memory is failing me. I'm sure there are a couple of others too) - are all fairly high profile prospects that are on the cusp of being regular NHLers.

 

[Bomber0104]

Wow...

Someone needs to post that PTS interview with Anselmi.

Mccown absolutely tore him to shreds.

 

[Confucius]

I think this was too soon, should have left this until the end of his contract and play it out. This all just happened at weird timing and it seems that something must have happened to trigger this.

I just find it sad that it seems more people hated Burke as a person than as a GM. Hope he stays here as a senior advisor but I bet another team scoops him up in no time.

I bet MLSE would be elated, saving 3 million bucks.

 

[Cor]

lmao, Fan 590 playing "Another One bites the dust" coming into the Dave Nonis interview

 

[HockeyOrDie]

Brian Burke clashed with new MLSE board members

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opi...th-members-of-the-new-mlse-board.html?cmp=rss

 

[Woodman19]

If you think 3 1/2 years (which is what Burke has had) is enough to build a good team, you're wrong.

It took LA 11 years, Edmonton has been building for what 5 or 6 years, and they still aren't close....

The problem with this organization is that they give GM's 3 or 4 years and then they are out. We need stability, which is what I thought we had when we hired Burke.

Look at the Rangers, and Detroit, and Philly, and Pittsburgh, and New Jersey, and they have 1 thing in common, their GM's have been there for 6+ years.

Once again I am talking about rebuilding an "Organization" not the NHL team specifically. If Burke had rebuild the organization then 4 1/2 years is enough time to see if we are starting to draft and cultivate talent at a good rate. We are not seeing that so its easy to say that he has failed.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

When the board trades Kadri and Gardiner for Luongo I wil be interested in what the Burke haters will say.

Isn't it possible to dislike both Luongo and Burke? I do. Just because I dislike Burke doesn't mean he did everything wrong and his reluctance to bring greasy Lou to Toronto is 100% bang on. Credit to Burke.