Rumor: David Jiricek available

[Viqsi]

Did I say you were idiots? Nope, that's your insecurity. What I said is that it's insane to act like this situation is just your average run of the mill "GMs should always be open to trades", which is what many Jackets fans in here seem to think.

Mostly we've been asking folks to back off the "Waddell totally has to make a trade and y'all are going to lose" narrative. Yes, it's an unusual situation, but folks are taking that to unjustifiable extremes. The unusual situation is what makes him available; using that to also justify "therefore he's only getting <reduced package>" is double-dipping on rationales.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Mostly we've been asking folks to back off the "Waddell totally has to make a trade and y'all are going to lose" narrative. Yes, it's an unusual situation, but folks are taking that to unjustifiable extremes.

Totally fair. I just don't think the Everything Is Great! approach is the way to combat that.

(If it were me, I'd probably just avoid the main boards, so maybe there just isn't a reasonable way to combat it...)

 

[Viqsi]

Totally fair. I just don't think the Everything Is Great! approach is the way to combat that.

(If it were me, I'd probably just avoid the main boards, so maybe there just isn't a reasonable way to combat it...)

I don't think any of us are trying to claim that There Are No Problems Whatsoever, just that they're a mite overblown. Really, that starts getting into the nuance of the situation, and nuance is always the first casualty of any discussion.

 

[Digitalbooya]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5957222/2024/11/29/wild-blackhawks-jared-spurgeon-marco-rossi/?source=user_shared_article

The Wild continue to pursue Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman David Jiricek, but Rossi wouldn’t be included in the package if the deal gets completed, according to a source briefed on the negotiations. If the trade does get done, it’ll likely center around a prospect because the Wild don’t want to do anything that would weaken their NHL roster.

Seems pretty concrete that there is at least smoke in the air.

 

[Crede777]

The question was asking CBJ fans to tell us what they would feel good about. Everyone beats around the bush and gives generalized answers, then gets mad when fans for other teams try to form a proposal.


Nobody trades 1st line quality prospects unless it’s for high end NHL players.

Rutger McGroarty was just traded for Braden Yager. At the time of the trade I would classify both as being likely top-6 and potentially top line forwards. McGroarty has had a slow start in the AHL so one could argue he might not actually fit that description, but at the time of the trade I think he did.

As for why Columbus is seeking offers on Jiricek, I think that is because he was sent back to the AHL again and might have requested a change of scenery. To that, I think Waddell told him he would see what was out there. So now Columbus is inviting offers and seeing if anyone is willing to give up a top prospect for Jiricek.

 

[Just Linda]

Any updates on what's going on with him? What's the latest rumours

 

[TheNumber4]

Any updates on what's going on with him? What's the latest rumours

WADDEL'S IN THE MULL ZONE. THATS WHATS GOING ON.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Any updates on what's going on with him? What's the latest rumours

Wild are negotiating a trade with the Blue Jackets that would center around a prospect (ie prospect + something).

My speculation: Probably Ohgren+pick is the offer. Trading Yurov/Buium/Wallstedt wouldn’t make any sense as a “center piece” because the Wild almost certainly value them more than Jiricek (ie wouldn’t be creating a package around them).

I keep waiting to hear from Jackets fans on what they would be happy with from the Wild. Nobody seems capable of answering that question (yet).

 

[Fro]

Any updates on what's going on with him? What's the latest rumours

He just turned 21 and teammates took him out for his first LEGAL drinks in the states...news at 11

Wild are negotiating a trade with the Blue Jackets that would center around a prospect (ie prospect + something).

My speculation: Probably Ohgren+pick is the offer. Trading Yurov/Buium/Wallstedt wouldn’t make any sense as a “center piece” because the Wild almost certainly value them more than Jiricek (ie wouldn’t be creating a package around them).

I keep waiting to hear from jackets fans on what they would be happy with from the Wild. Nobody seems capable of answering that question (yet).

What we want, you aren't parting with...so any other trades are not happy ones for us

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I keep waiting to hear from Jackets fans on what they would be happy with from the Wild. Nobody seems capable of answering that question (yet).

My brother in Christ. We've answered it 100 times in this thread. I myself have said it a few times. We want a 1 for 1 for an equally high end prospect, or a young player with control. A pick package really doesn't do much for us. The name I keep throwing out is Shane Wright.

 

[AKL]

What we want, you aren't parting with...so any other trades are not happy ones for us

Okay, what would make you the least sad

 

[Viqsi]

Wild are negotiating a trade with the Blue Jackets that would center around a prospect (ie prospect + something).

My speculation: Probably Ohgren+pick is the offer. Trading Yurov/Buium/Wallstedt wouldn’t make any sense as a “center piece” because the Wild almost certainly value them more than Jiricek (ie wouldn’t be creating a package around them).

I keep waiting to hear from Jackets fans on what they would be happy with from the Wild. Nobody seems capable of answering that question (yet).

Well, we attempted to do so earlier in the thread and that prompted another round of dumping on Jackets fans, so yeah, you're going to see a lot of hesitation.

That said, the Oghren + pick suggestion you have is... survivable. Probably.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Wild are negotiating a trade with the Blue Jackets that would center around a prospect (ie prospect + something).

My speculation: Probably Ohgren+pick is the offer. Trading Yurov/Buium/Wallstedt wouldn’t make any sense as a “center piece” because the Wild almost certainly value them more than Jiricek (ie wouldn’t be creating a package around them).

I keep waiting to hear from Jackets fans on what they would be happy with from the Wild. Nobody seems capable of answering that question (yet).

That conversation is going to go something like this:
"We would be happy with Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt."
"LMAO. You're getting Öhgren and a pick and you're going to like it."
"Fine, no deal."
"What? You have to trade Jiricek this instance."
"Nuh uh."
"Yuh uh."

Etc, etc. Repeat ad nauseum.

EDIT: Note that the question here is what we would be happy with, not what is going to happen.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

That conversation is going to go something like this:
"We would be happy with Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt."
"LMAO. You're getting Öhgren and a pick and you're going to like it."
"Fine, no deal."
"What? You have to trade Jiricek this instance."
"Nuh uh."
"Yuh uh."

Etc, etc. Repeat ad nauseum.

Yeah pretty much. I don't understand why people think the Jackets have to jump on this right now. This isn't a Laine situation. Jiricek hasn't requested a trade and he's currently playing and playing well.

Just scored again for the monsters btw

 

[Viqsi]

That conversation is going to go something like this:
"We would be happy with Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt."
"LMAO. You're getting Öhgren and a pick and you're going to like it."
"Fine, no deal."
"What? You have to trade Jiricek this instance."
"Nuh uh."
"Yuh uh."

Etc, etc. Repeat ad nauseum.

EDIT: Note that the question here is what we would be happy with, not what is going to happen.

By and large the "and you're going to like it" crowd hasn't even gone so far as to offer Ohgren.

 

[AKL]

"We would be happy with Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt."
"LMAO. You're getting Öhgren and a pick and you're going to like it."
"Fine, no deal."
"What? You have to trade Jiricek this instance."

I think the problem is that, based on what we've heard, is that a trade is more likely than not to occur, and that return is more likely than not going to be a package of a prospect+, and so when you say "Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt or no deal", it's a little hard to pretend like that's actually true.

Of course no trade could happen, or Guerin could be the biggest idiot in the fraternity and add to those three, those are all possibilities that exist to varying degrees, but when we talk about the most likely outcome, it's probably not either of those.

 

[AKL]

By and large the "and you're going to like it" crowd hasn't even gone so far as to offer Ohgren.

I very much consider this to be offering Ohgren

If you want the Wild to include a McGroarty level prospect, Liam Ohgren is right there

I would offer Ohgren+pick+RD prospect for Jiricek.

Thinking Ohgren + 1st is the offer from Minnesota.

I would also, reluctantly, do Ohgren and a 2nd.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I think the problem is that, based on what we've heard, is that a trade is more likely than not to occur, and that return is more likely than not going to be a package of a prospect+, and so when you say "Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt or no deal", it's a little hard to pretend like that's actually true.

Of course no trade could happen, or Guerin could be the biggest idiot in the fraternity and add to those three, those are all possibilities that exist to varying degrees, but when we talk about the most likely outcome, it's probably not either of those.

Once again, why is everyone putting so much faith in these dork national beat writers? They're horoscope people. Just leave it opened ended enough to sound right no matter what happens. How do people buy that.

 

[AKL]

Once again, why is everyone putting so much faith in these dork national beat writers?

Because as much as you would like to believe that they just make all this stuff up because Canada doesn't respect the Blue Jackets, they don't, and if they're talking about it this much, it's because there's a better-than-usual chance that Jiricek could be traded.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Because as much as you would like to believe that they just make all this stuff up because Canada doesn't respect the Blue Jackets, they don't, and if they're talking about it this much, it's because there's a better-than-usual chance that Jiricek could be traded.

It's not about "Canada hating the blue jackets", I would love if Canada hated us. I know one city in western Canada does right now . I don't buy anything out of them outside of Bob.

Now watch this upper 90 disgruntled snipe from the blue line.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

By and large the "and you're going to like it" crowd hasn't even gone so far as to offer Ohgren.

True enough.

I think the problem is that, based on what we've heard, is that a trade is more likely than not to occur, and that return is more likely than not going to be a package of a prospect+, and so when you say "Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt or no deal", it's a little hard to pretend like that's actually true.

Of course no trade could happen, or Guerin could be the biggest idiot in the fraternity and add to those three, those are all possibilities that exist to varying degrees, but when we talk about the most likely outcome, it's probably not either of those.

The question was what we would be happy with, not what is going to happen. Anyway, Waddell himself has said as much that they are not in any hurry to move Jiricek. It's the non-local media that has portrayed this situation as having any sense of urgency. The local beat writer explicitly does not get that sense. All I am saying is that until Jiricek demands a trade, most Columbus fans would agree that it does not make sense for the team to hurry this up.

EDIT: There has to be an incentive to compromise. Usually that arises from a sense of urgency, often springing from a trade request. CBJ fans are generally saying that no such urgency exists at the moment.

 

[Viqsi]

I very much consider this to be offering Ohgren

Okay. Should I follow up by quoting the many, many times Jackets fans had already answered the "who would we be happy" with question? 'Cause there was at least a dozen or more in the four days between the first three posts you cite there and the fourth - and that last and most recent post put a lot more focus on a Lambos offer and only mentioned Ohgren in passing.

 

[AKL]

Okay. Should I follow up

You're could start by acknowledging that this was a lie:

By and large the "and you're going to like it" crowd hasn't even gone so far as to offer Ohgren.

Then we'll see where it goes from there

 

[Viqsi]

You're could start by acknowledging that this was a lie:


Then we'll see where it goes from there

Given that the bulk of your examples were from half a week ago (and we've gotten more information on the nature of a possible deal since then) and the other was almost entirely about Lambos with but a passing mention of Ohgren, I think it's actually pretty accurate. The majority of the Wild fans participating in here have been focused more on "how dare you express your wishes" than actually coming up with offers.

And again, the question asked was "what would you be happy with".

 

[ranold26]

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