Dave Hakstol

[Embiid]

Down with Dakota Dave!

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Down with Dakota Dave!

 

[Striiker]

I've always found that defensive responsibility bull****. In reality there is an age/size limit for defensive responsibility with Hakstol. Players like Manning, Lethera and Filppula had as many mistakes as anyone on the team. Yet, many of those players wouldn't miss a shift.

I understand trying to teach young players to be smart with the puck, but not taking minutes away from the biggest perpetrators sure doesn't set the best example for those youngsters who get benched for the slightest turnover. If Hak benched everyone equally, then I'd be more understanding. Age bias and "doing the work" is pretty indicative of a dinosaur.

100% this

If Hak was consistent with his “accountability”, I’d have no problem with it.

Even among players of the same NHL experience, there was zero consistency. Hagg was worse than Sanheim in all 3 zones and yet he didn’t get healthy scratched and he played a ton.

But when you play favorites - and your favorites are the worst players on the team - you cant use the accountability justification anymore. They didn’t get scratched or benched because they needed to work on their defense. They got punished because he doesn't like skill.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

100% this

If Hak was consistent with his “accountability”, I’d have no problem with it.

Even among players of the same NHL experience, there was zero consistency. Hagg was worse than Sanheim in all 3 zones and yet he didn’t get healthy scratched and he played a ton.

But when you play favorites - and your favorites are the worst players on the team - you cant use the accountability justification anymore. They didn’t get scratched or benched because they needed to work on their defense. They got punished because he doesn't like skill.

I always go back to this article: The North Dakota perspective on Dave Hakstol’s tenure, so far, as Flyers head coach. I’ll cut out one of the important bits for you. Don’t put yourself through the pain of 1,000 words comprised of mostly clichés.

You have to be a reliable player to play for Hakstol. He does take potential into equation, but he also places importance on performance as well. During the 2010-11 season, Hakstol dressed an undrafted, unheralded kid named Carter Rowney instead of a drafted, highly touted kid named Mike Cichy several times. There was some talk among fans at that time about playing Rowney over Cichy, but as we watched Rowney win the Stanley Cup this summer, we now know Hakstol was making the right call.

Doomed.

 

[Striiker]

I always go back to this article: The North Dakota perspective on Dave Hakstol’s tenure, so far, as Flyers head coach. I’ll cut out one of the important bits for you. Don’t put yourself through the pain of 1,000 words comprised of mostly clichés.



Doomed.

This f***ing guy

And whoever wrote that article... it's almost impressive how much is wrong in that short quote...

 

[Magua]

Doomed.

I can definitely see the comparison between Konecny, Gostisbehere, Sanheim......and *uses Google* Mike Cichy.

 

[Tripod]

Reminder....We had Filppula on the #1 PP unit as the slot guy for a month last year, to start the season.

Good times.

 

[Striiker]

Reminder....We had Filppula on the #1 PP unit as the slot guy for a month last year, to start the season.

Good times.

And as 1C in playoff elimination games.

 

[Magua]

Reminder....We had Filppula on the #1 PP unit as the slot guy for a month last year, to start the season.

Good times.

 

[Garbage Goal]

People seem to have this thing in their heads that we are (or were last year) a good PP team, but we finished like 15th. Granted, an awful PP2 does that, but stupid personnel moves like Filp on PP1 or the 1st line also contribute heavily to that.

I'm basing this all off the best of my recollection from now to the Berube years, but the only area we've really seen any real improvement at is ES. PK is awful every year, kills our save percentages. PP was mediocre overall last year. Taking more point shots and more north-south offensive zone plays than ever.

With the talent they have, there's really no excuse for not being in the top 10 PP wise, at least this year. I would argue last year too with how well our top players did and how underutilized some players were.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Speaking of the PP, I came across this visualization in my travels.

Tableau Public

The Scoring Efficiency is nice and backs up the eye test about PP1, but I absolutely love the PP Structure Index tab.

From the same Tableau, I'll save everyone the trouble of navigating it, but I couldn't help but post this screenshot:

There's a new Hit King contender on the roster!

 

[Tripod]

Speaking of the PP, I came across this visualization in my travels.

Tableau Public

The Scoring Efficiency is nice and backs up the eye test about PP1, but I absolutely love the PP Structure Index tab.

From the same Tableau, I'll save everyone the trouble of navigating it, but I couldn't help but post this screenshot:

There's a new Hit King contender on the roster!

Which end of spectrum looks like the better group?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

What did the Vegas odds say about Giroux hitting 100+ points?

How about Couts hittin 70+?

How about Ghost?

How about TK?

How about Provy?

How about Voracek?

Did they guess those performances? Probably not. That's why the team overshot the projection, but still undershot their potential, thanks to being held back by the coach. Based on how their top guys played and how hard they carried, this team should have had more points than they did. End of story.

Hakstol threw away points by making mistakes. That's clear as day to 95% on this board, and it has nothing to do with bias. In fact, bias is the only way that isn't seen as fact.

They finished 12th in the league.

Do you think they are better than 12th overall in the league talent-wise?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Filppula scored two PP goals in that Nashville game & still looked like utter shit doing it.

 

[bauer]

take note Hakstol you ****ing idiot. this guy just took his team (with a less talented roster) to the Cup final and won coach of the year.



"I'm not holding my players accountable for making mistakes. If you're worried about making mistakes you're not going to play a good game."

**** Hakstol and the way he treats the kids on this team.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

take note Hakstol you ****ing idiot. this guy just took his team (with a less talented roster) to the Cup final and won coach of the year.



"I'm not holding my players accountable for making mistakes. If you're worried about making mistakes you're not going to play a good game."

**** Hakstol and the way he treats the kids on this team.

Gallant was an actual quality NHLer. Hakstok was a joke and a bum. Andy Bezeau took care of his ass and his sorry broken ass landed in North Dakota. How we got stuck with his dud dimwitted skull****ed broken ass is anyone's guess. Right, Brett? Idiot. Anyway, Gerard knows how to talk to men like they are men because he was an actual player. Hakstok is butt-sore because he stank and failed miserably, in addition to getting his teeth kicked in by Le Grande Bezeau, so he has to act all hard. B***h, please.

 

[Tripod]

take note Hakstol you ****ing idiot. this guy just took his team (with a less talented roster) to the Cup final and won coach of the year.



"I'm not holding my players accountable for making mistakes. If you're worried about making mistakes you're not going to play a good game."

**** Hakstol and the way he treats the kids on this team.

Hmmm......certain people have been saying we play the same system as Gallant. Certainly sounds like they handle players differently.

But that doesn't matter, WE FINISHED 12th!!!

 

[FLYguy3911]

How tf did Carter Rowney get a 3 year deal and why isn't he in Orange and Black?

 

[Striiker]

They finished 12th in the league.

Do you think they are better than 12th overall in the league talent-wise?

Yes, the Flyers are better than 12th overall, talent-wise.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Gallant was an actual quality NHLer. Hakstok was a joke and a bum. Andy Bezeau took care of his ass and his sorry broken ass landed in North Dakota. How we got stuck with his dud dimwitted skull****ed broken ass is anyone's guess. Right, Brett? Idiot. Anyway, Gerard knows how to talk to men like they are men because he was an actual player. Hakstok is butt-sore because he stank and failed miserably, in addition to getting his teeth kicked in by Le Grande Bezeau, so he has to act all hard. B***h, please.

I would pay Andy Bezeau to come to Philly & beat up Hakstol again for old times sake.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Which end of spectrum looks like the better group?

Clayton Keller is dead last in the entire league. The only one to lose to Kessel. Take your loss, @Magua. Bust.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I would pay Andy Bezeau to come to Philly & beat up Hakstol again for old times sake.

What's that kid's name, the one who got shunned - Mike Cichy or some ****? He could coach the PK and Lappy could get a job as a backstop at some batting cage.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What's that kid's name, the one who got shunned - Mike Cichy or some ****? He could coach the PK and Lappy could get a job as a backstop at some batting cage.

Lappy will coach here forever. He blocked a shot with his face for Christ sakes.

 

[Striiker]

Speaking of talent, I made this post a few months ago, before the season was over.

Saw a poster say that all teams have a half dozen good players, so out of curiosity I looked at the total points of the top 6 scorers of each team. (Obviously this doesn't take other things into account, like defensive ability, but I was still interested to see where teams ranked)

Tampa Bay - 345
Philadelphia - 325 (but are ranked 12th in GF/GP, so obviously there's an issue with depth scoring)
Pittsburgh - 324
Vegas - 319
Winnipeg - 303
Washington - 295
Florida - 293
Calgary - 291
Minnesota - 278
Colorado - 278
Boston - 277
Toronto - 277
Dallas - 276
St Louis - 275
Nashville - 259
Los Angeles - 259
Edmonton - 253
San Jose - 251
Ottawa - 249
Buffalo - 240
Carolina - 238
Vancouver - 234
Chicago - 232
New Jersey - 229
Anaheim - 213
Detroit - 212
New York - 211
Columbus - 210
Arizona - 199
Montreal - 198

Here are the final totals for each teams top 6 scorers.

Tampa Bay - 429
Pittsburgh - 427
Philadelphia - 421
New York Isles - 403
Washington - 394
Florida - 392
Winnipeg - 383
Colorado - 380
Boston - 378
Vegas - 378
Dallas - 362
Toronto - 354
Minnesota - 353
Nashville - 342
Los Angeles - 342
St Louis - 335
Calgary - 327
Edmonton - 324
San Jose - 320
Carolina - 319
Columbus - 310
Ottawa - 308
Buffalo - 300
New Jersey - 300
Chicago - 299
Anaheim - 294
Arizona - 280
Vancouver - 279
Detroit - 275
Montreal - 265
New York Rags - 264

A team that's "very thin on talent" doesn't do that. They certainly have a lot of high end talent.

The Flyers stars carried the team, but the coach and his use of his favorite players held them back.

 

[Magua]

Clayton Keller is dead last in the entire league. The only one to lose to Kessel. Take your loss, @Magua. Bust.

Leave my child alone. He’s not even done puberty yet. He spent the off-season training in Kelowna. If he doesn’t rise to top 10, I’ll eat my Coyotes hat.