Can we move the conversation from the old Gost thread to here?
We can?!?
We can?!?
Dave Hakstol
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Well when the rest of your life has been a 9 year slogfest through a career that you have come to hate but can escape and still pays trash money, and you live in one of the coldest parts of North America. You put an inordinate amount of love and attention into this team as it's the one thing that can truly bring you joy other then your loving girlfriend who your career takes you away from.
So when I see a coach who I think is hurting the team and playing a style that I think both doesn't work and is like putting glass in my eyes I get pretty pissed.
Fire Hakstol.
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We're just lucky the coach and GM don't judge players the same. If they did, Filppula, Manning, and Hagg would be rocking 7 year contracts right now.
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Hak. I think that as the kids keep moving up and the older bad contracts expire you will see an aggressive forechecking system that all player will be quick to the puck. the one think that seems to be his style is not giving space. untill the last 10 mins with a lead
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No, because I think I know where Ron's coming from, he's stuck Hakstol with a lot of scrubs because he's focused on the 2020-21 season and refused to make short-term moves that would diverge from his long term plan.
It's not just about rebuilding, any GM can rebuild a loser into a playoff team in 3-4 years - but we've seen most of these rebuild jobs then stall, maybe they have one or two seasons where everything clicks or the Hockey Gods smile, but in the end, failure to build a deep talent base means regression back to the bottom in the age of the salary cap.
So to me, most of Hakstol's moves that everyone hates merely reflect an organizational philosophy built around "tough love" development of young players - Hextall wants a smart, tough team that plays two way hockey - he's drafting toward that goal and wants Hakstol to coach toward that goal. Scrubs are placeholders, young prospects get with the program or they'll be shipped out.
Under Ron, no coach will tolerate offensively talented prospects free lancing and failing to play responsible, two way hockey.
So most of you will hate the next coach as much as you do Hakstol, because he'll coach in a similar manner.
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I meant that he had less than "Karlsson, Amac, Hagger and Manning at his disposal" last year.
Not to mention that "the top pair coming off the ice with three minutes left on the clock" wouldn't be a combination of Provorov and Ghost because Ghost isn't allowed on the ice at the ends of games.
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Guys, Hakstol had no choice.
He actually hated Filppula, Lehtera, Hagg, Manning, and MacDonald. He only used them so much because he had no other choice.
There was nobody else on the roster. These were our best players. Everyone else was worse. Our elite shutdown squad. No other options.
This is all Hextall's fault, since he kept forcing these guys on the roster as Hakstol begged him to instead bring up young players (which Hextall then forced him to bench, so he had to use the old guys). Hextall was actually going to give them all brand new contracts, until Hakstol threatened to quit if he did.
When guys like Ghost or Konecny or Sanheim got benched, Hakstol didn't want to do it, but Hextall forced him to. That's why the only choice was the "solid" guys.
Hakstol actually knew that those three young guys were better offensively and defensively than the "safe" players, but he wasn't allowed to score more than a certain amount of goals per game. He wants two-way players, but he was forced to use Filp/Mac/Hagg/Manning/Lehtera, who are zero-way players.
He actually hated Filppula, Lehtera, Hagg, Manning, and MacDonald. He only used them so much because he had no other choice.
There was nobody else on the roster. These were our best players. Everyone else was worse. Our elite shutdown squad. No other options.
This is all Hextall's fault, since he kept forcing these guys on the roster as Hakstol begged him to instead bring up young players (which Hextall then forced him to bench, so he had to use the old guys). Hextall was actually going to give them all brand new contracts, until Hakstol threatened to quit if he did.
When guys like Ghost or Konecny or Sanheim got benched, Hakstol didn't want to do it, but Hextall forced him to. That's why the only choice was the "solid" guys.
Hakstol actually knew that those three young guys were better offensively and defensively than the "safe" players, but he wasn't allowed to score more than a certain amount of goals per game. He wants two-way players, but he was forced to use Filp/Mac/Hagg/Manning/Lehtera, who are zero-way players.
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Whine all you want, Ron runs this organization from top to bottom, if Hakstol is the HC, it's because he's doing what Hextall wants him to do. And the next coach will run the team in a similar fashion, he might be better at PR, and he might tweak the scheme, but he won't have a different philosophy. Prospects will have to be defensively responsible to get PT.
There is zero evidence of any serious disagreement between GM and HC in this organization (because it always leaks out into the media). Ron signed PEB, kept Manning and VdV, traded for Filppula, signed Weise, traded for Lehtera, etc. etc. They were all HIS choices, they were kept on the NHL roster by Hextall.
So live with it, Ron sets the roster, Ron sets the philosophy, Dave executes what Ron wants done. So will the next HC.
There is zero evidence of any serious disagreement between GM and HC in this organization (because it always leaks out into the media). Ron signed PEB, kept Manning and VdV, traded for Filppula, signed Weise, traded for Lehtera, etc. etc. They were all HIS choices, they were kept on the NHL roster by Hextall.
So live with it, Ron sets the roster, Ron sets the philosophy, Dave executes what Ron wants done. So will the next HC.
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Is Hakstol fired yet? When is that gonna happen? I want it, and I want it NOW!
You laugh, but therien always crapped on subbans "dumb turnovers" and pretty much ran him out of town while lappy put him on his shutdown pair and went to cup finals.
Same thing with Carlyle who was playing righties on the left over Theodore. I would even mention Babcock, but due to sheer number of players that hate him it could be just a personal thing.
I was just coming in here to post this, so thanks for saving me the time. Fire Hakstok.
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The team finished tied for 12th.
Vegas had them tied for 21st before the season.
Who on this board thinks, talent-wise, they were better than 12th in the NHL last season?
Vegas had them tied for 21st before the season.
Who on this board thinks, talent-wise, they were better than 12th in the NHL last season?
Who on this board, after three seasons of watching him, thinks that Dan Wankstain can coach his way out of a wet paper bag?
Fire Hakstok.
Fire Hakstok.
Striiker
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Same dishonest argument, over and over. 
bUt YoU gUyZ, dA vEgUs OdDs
bUt YoU gUyZ, dA vEgUs OdDs
Striiker
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What did the Vegas odds say about Giroux hitting 100+ points?
How about Couts hittin 70+?
How about Ghost?
How about TK?
How about Provy?
How about Voracek?
Did they guess those performances? Probably not. That's why the team overshot the projection, but still undershot their potential, thanks to being held back by the coach. Based on how their top guys played and how hard they carried, this team should have had more points than they did. End of story.
Hakstol threw away points by making mistakes. That's clear as day to 95% on this board, and it has nothing to do with bias. In fact, bias is the only way that isn't seen as fact.
How about Couts hittin 70+?
How about Ghost?
How about TK?
How about Provy?
How about Voracek?
Did they guess those performances? Probably not. That's why the team overshot the projection, but still undershot their potential, thanks to being held back by the coach. Based on how their top guys played and how hard they carried, this team should have had more points than they did. End of story.
Hakstol threw away points by making mistakes. That's clear as day to 95% on this board, and it has nothing to do with bias. In fact, bias is the only way that isn't seen as fact.
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This made me laugh. All I could picture is wildly wonka and the chocolate factory
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I've always found that defensive responsibility bullshit. In reality there is an age/size limit for defensive responsibility with Hakstol. Players like Manning, Lethera and Filppula had as many mistakes as anyone on the team. Yet, many of those players wouldn't miss a shift.
I understand trying to teach young players to be smart with the puck, but not taking minutes away from the biggest perpetrators sure doesn't set the best example for those youngsters who get benched for the slightest turnover. If Hak benched everyone equally, then I'd be more understanding. Age bias and "doing the work" is pretty indicative of a dinosaur.
I understand trying to teach young players to be smart with the puck, but not taking minutes away from the biggest perpetrators sure doesn't set the best example for those youngsters who get benched for the slightest turnover. If Hak benched everyone equally, then I'd be more understanding. Age bias and "doing the work" is pretty indicative of a dinosaur.
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