Prospect Info: Danila Yurov RW/C, 24th Overall, 2022 NHL Draft

[57special]

He dropped the gloves today to stand up for a teammate. Wait until Billy sees Yurov is dripping with grit too. He will for sure be over next year now.

hooboy... if BG sees that he'll have him over and on the 4th line before you know it.

 

[57special]

I’ve watched a few of his games this year. He’d be on our second line next year quite easily. Probably on the wing but if they play him at center I ultimately think he has a higher curling than Rossi fwiw

I don't see why the hell Guerin wouldn't encourage him to come over, then.

I don't think we've seen the best of Rossi. He is still getting better, and he is also not getting the benefit of playing with top wingers. As much as i love JEE, he seems to be the guy who can play with lesser skilled grinders and still contribute a lot, while Rossi and his skills will shine more playing with skilled, talented wings.

 

[TaLoN]

Exactly what Yurov thinks.

Nobody here can know what he thinks

 

[TaLoN]

I’ve watched a few of his games this year. He’d be on our second line next year quite easily. Probably on the wing but if they play him at center I ultimately think he has a higher curling than Rossi fwiw

Thrower or sweeper?

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Thrower or sweeper?

Both

 

[Minnesota]

 

[Minnesota]

 

[Roman Maroni]

Thrower or sweeper?

The real question is, can he be the skip?

 

[AKL]

I still maintain that the proper way to handle him is to sign his ELC, bring him over for training camp/preseason, see what he looks like, and loan him back to Metallurg if necessary.

 

[57special]

I still maintain that the proper way to handle him is to sign his ELC, bring him over for training camp/preseason, see what he looks like, and loan him back to Metallurg if necessary.

That would eliminate any callups during the season that he would have if playing in Iowa. Ultimately, hockey is hockey, and good is good. If he is going to be a good NHL'er, then it shouldn't matter if he plays in Russia or the midwest. I am guessing that Marat will also be over next year, in which case he will have a Russian speaker for company down in Iowa.

Long winded way of saying that I prefer that he sticks around, and doesn't get loaned to the KHL. This is not Firstov, who was never going to get a sniff of the NHL in his first year in Iowa.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

That would eliminate any callups during the season that he would have if playing in Iowa. Ultimately, hockey is hockey, and good is good. If he is going to be a good NHL'er, then it shouldn't matter if he plays in Russia or the midwest. I am guessing that Marat will also be over next year, in which case he will have a Russian speaker for company down in Iowa.

Long winded way of saying that I prefer that he sticks around, and doesn't get loaned to the KHL. This is not Firstov, who was never going to get a sniff of the NHL in his first year in Iowa.

I think the loaning is contingent on it being necessary to get all of the other stuff done. If he's fine with the AHL possibility then obviously the loan stuff is no longer applicable.

 

[AKL]

That would eliminate any callups during the season that he would have if playing in Iowa. Ultimately, hockey is hockey, and good is good. If he is going to be a good NHL'er, then it shouldn't matter if he plays in Russia or the midwest. I am guessing that Marat will also be over next year, in which case he will have a Russian speaker for company down in Iowa.

Long winded way of saying that I prefer that he sticks around, and doesn't get loaned to the KHL. This is not Firstov, who was never going to get a sniff of the NHL in his first year in Iowa.

Combination of things for me, short version is I'm not too worried about call-ups personally.

I think it's probably safe to say he'd prefer developing in the KHL for one more year if he's not going to be making NHL money over here. Keeping that in mind, signing his ELC gives him a chance to come over, meet his future teammates, coaches, staff, etc in a relatively low pressure environment for the first time. If he makes the big boy Wild, great, he obviously stays. If he's to be sent to the little boy Wild, he can instead choose to be sent back to the KHL (his preference) with a clearer picture of where he's at in his journey, as opposed to coming over the following season completely blind, expected to make the team, not knowing anybody here in even a passing sense, and having a lot more pressure to do well. It's a compromise where he can get his feet wet over here but still have an easy "out" to playing in a more comfortable situation if he needs it.

But the reason I won't be worried about not having him for callups is because 1) I don't have high expectations for the team to go much of anywhere next season, so he probably won't be missing much, and 2) if he's not good enough to make the team out of camp, I think it's likely he won't progress enough to be an impact player by the time December/January injuries roll around, or maybe even April/May playoffs.

The only downside I can see is that we burn a year of his ELC, but at this point it's still a 3 year ELC, which actually only gives him 2 years to earn a new contract, and with the dead cap going away and the salary cap going up, fitting him in long term shouldn't be an issue regardless of what he earns on his next deal.

 

[BagHead]

Combination of things for me, short version is I'm not too worried about call-ups personally.

I think it's probably safe to say he'd prefer developing in the KHL for one more year if he's not going to be making NHL money over here. Keeping that in mind, signing his ELC gives him a chance to come over, meet his future teammates, coaches, staff, etc in a relatively low pressure environment for the first time. If he makes the big boy Wild, great, he obviously stays. If he's to be sent to the little boy Wild, he can instead choose to be sent back to the KHL (his preference) with a clearer picture of where he's at in his journey, as opposed to coming over the following season completely blind, expected to make the team, not knowing anybody here in even a passing sense, and having a lot more pressure to do well. It's a compromise where he can get his feet wet over here but still have an easy "out" to playing in a more comfortable situation if he needs it.

But the reason I won't be worried about not having him for callups is because 1) I don't have high expectations for the team to go much of anywhere next season, so he probably won't be missing much, and 2) if he's not good enough to make the team out of camp, I think it's likely he won't progress enough to be an impact player by the time December/January injuries roll around, or maybe even April/May playoffs.

The only downside I can see is that we burn a year of his ELC, but at this point it's still a 3 year ELC, which actually only gives him 2 years to earn a new contract, and with the dead cap going away and the salary cap going up, fitting him in long term shouldn't be an issue regardless of what he earns on his next deal.

Wasn't he at camp this last summer? Or was he at the prospects camp, only?

Overall, I agree with you. If he were just an unfeeling asset, I'd want him in the AHL, but taking his perspective into account as a person, I'm sure he'd prefer to develop in the KHL as opposed to the AHL, and I'd be fine with that. I, too, don't expect the Wild to be amazing next year, especially if Yurov isn't ready yet.

 

[AKL]

Yurov scores his 19th, a nice little wrister that hit the crossbar, bounced off the goalie's back and in.

 

[pfunk]

I still maintain that the proper way to handle him is to sign his ELC, bring him over for training camp/preseason, see what he looks like, and loan him back to Metallurg if necessary.

Probably need his KHL club to be supportive of this. Their season would already be underway when he would head off to NA to go through a training camp/preseason. I’d imagine they’d have a hard time planning around the uknowns that come with that. If places were traded I can’t imagine the Wild would welcome that kind of uncertainty heading into a season. I’d be worried about things not going well here, then he heads back home and gets treated poorly there after treating their club as the backup plan. Nice to see his coaches comments though supporting him trying to make the NHL and welcoming him back if he wants to return.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Probably need his KHL club to be supportive of this. Their season would already be underway when he would head off to NA to go through a training camp/preseason. I’d imagine they’d have a hard time planning around the uknowns that come with that. If places were traded I can’t imagine the Wild would welcome that kind of uncertainty heading into a season. I’d be worried about things not going well here, then he heads back home and gets treated poorly there after treating their club as the backup plan. Nice to see his coaches comments though supporting him trying to make the NHL and welcoming him back if he wants to return.

The Wild are not going to make decisions based on whether or not a KHL team is supportive or not.

If the KHL team is too uncomfortable at the thought of getting their 1C back slightly into the season… That sounds like a them problem, not a Minnesota problem. There are always other options for Yurov to play.

I’m of the opinion Yurov is already better than Johansson, Zuccarello, Foligno, Maroon, Gaudreau, etc. He should have no problem getting playing time, ergo he shouldn’t need to be sent down or loaned out.

 

[57special]

The Wild are not going to make decisions based on whether or not a KHL team is supportive or not.

If the KHL team is too uncomfortable at the thought of getting their 1C back slightly into the season… That sounds like a them problem, not a Minnesota problem. There are always other options for Yurov to play.

I’m of the opinion Yurov is already better than Johansson, Zuccarello, Foligno, Maroon, Gaudreau, etc. He should have no problem getting playing time, ergo he shouldn’t need to be sent down or loaned out.

Counterpoint. Last year, many on here thought that Marat (and his 41 KHL points)would be a top 6'er, or top 9 player at least, and was ahead of Rossi in terms od pro development.

At this point, we don't know what we don't know. Some players come up and make a seamless transition to the NHL, others don't. Marat couldn't even transition to a new situation in the KHL, never mind coming over and playing in the league where everyone is stronger, faster, smarter, and speaks a different language.

 

[DANOZ28]

marat & yurov are way different players. i thought from the second we drafted yurov he could be the next boldy.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Counterpoint. Last year, many on here thought that Marat (and his 41 KHL points)would be a top 6'er, or top 9 player at least, and was ahead of Rossi in terms od pro development.

At this point, we don't know what we don't know. Some players come up and make a seamless transition to the NHL, others don't. Marat couldn't even transition to a new situation in the KHL, never mind coming over and playing in the league where everyone is stronger, faster, smarter, and speaks a different language.

I’m just saying that if his KHL team isn’t supportive of taking him back, which would be monumentally stupid on their part, then there are other options for him to play. Minnesota should not base anything on the KHL team’s needs. That would be equally as dumb.

marat & yurov are way different players. i thought from the second we drafted yurov he could be the next boldy.

I strongly dislike that comparison so much. I see Yurov as a high skilled guy that skates really well and has a high motor. I do not think that Boldy skates well. If he does have the ability, then he doesn’t have the motor to do it consistently.

 

[DANOZ28]

im talking pure goal scoring results, nothing else.

 

[57special]

I’m just saying that if his KHL team isn’t supportive of taking him back, which would be monumentally stupid on their part, then there are other options for him to play. Minnesota should not base anything on the KHL team’s needs. That would be equally as dumb.

I strongly dislike that comparison so much. I see Yurov as a high skilled guy that skates really well and has a high motor. I do not think that Boldy skates well. If he does have the ability, then he doesn’t have the motor to do it consistently.

Boldy skates well. His edges are unreal. He just doesn't skate fast. Yurov looks to be more of a (healthy)Tuch type. Long legs that can get up to a high speed, and blow around the outside on defenders. Fiala was a different body type, but he could do that.

Yurov looks thin, like many young players. One of his big challenges will be standing up to the physicality on the NHL, but everything will be tested. If he comes over next year he'll have another full summer of training to get ready. Hard to say for sure, but I think he'll be ok?

I can see him slotting onto a 2nd line, if all goes well, with Boldy and Rossi.

Kap - JEE - Zucc/Yurov
Boldy - Rossi - Zucc/Yurov
Foli - Hartman - MarJo
Freddy - Dewar - Duhaime/Marat(would make for very small, weak, 4th)

Duhaime might not re- sign. I don't see a replacement with his combination of size, speed, and toughness. Milne is not very big. Don't know that Ohgren has much toughness. Milne, Ohgren, and Marat being in the NHL next year for any length of time is highly optimistic. they have either been injured, or having bad years so far.

If Yurov looks overwhelmed they can try him further down the lineup, but he might be better off down in Iowa being centered by Bankier, and playing top minutes/#1PP. That's what we want him groomed to be, not a checking wing.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Counterpoint. Last year, many on here thought that Marat (and his 41 KHL points)would be a top 6'er, or top 9 player at least, and was ahead of Rossi in terms od pro development.

At this point, we don't know what we don't know. Some players come up and make a seamless transition to the NHL, others don't. Marat couldn't even transition to a new situation in the KHL, never mind coming over and playing in the league where everyone is stronger, faster, smarter, and speaks a different language.

Khusnutdinov was 6th on his team in scoring, 21 behind the leader.

Yurov is 1st on his team in scoring, 5 up on 2nd place.

Yurov's D+2 year vs. Marat's D+3 year.

Not quite the exact same situations.

Crazy that Yurov is only ~6% behind Kaprizov's D+2 production.

 

[Spurgeon]

Khusnutdinov was 6th on his team in scoring, 21 behind the leader.

Yurov is 1st on his team in scoring, 5 up on 2nd place.

Yurov's D+2 year vs. Marat's D+3 year.

Not quite the exact same situations.

Crazy that Yurov is only ~6% behind Kaprizov's D+2 production.

Having another Kaprizov on an ELC could make for a very interesting 25-26 season.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Boldy skates well. His edges are unreal. He just doesn't skate fast. Yurov looks to be more of a (healthy)Tuch type. Long legs that can get up to a high speed, and blow around the outside on defenders. Fiala was a different body type, but he could do that.

Yurov looks thin, like many young players. One of his big challenges will be standing up to the physicality on the NHL, but everything will be tested. If he comes over next year he'll have another full summer of training to get ready. Hard to say for sure, but I think he'll be ok?

I can see him slotting onto a 2nd line, if all goes well, with Boldy and Rossi.

Kap - JEE - Zucc/Yurov
Boldy - Rossi - Zucc/Yurov
Foli - Hartman - MarJo
Freddy - Dewar - Duhaime/Marat(would make for very small, weak, 4th)

Duhaime might not re- sign. I don't see a replacement with his combination of size, speed, and toughness. Milne is not very big. Don't know that Ohgren has much toughness. Milne, Ohgren, and Marat being in the NHL next year for any length of time is highly optimistic. they have either been injured, or having bad years so far.

If Yurov looks overwhelmed they can try him further down the lineup, but he might be better off down in Iowa being centered by Bankier, and playing top minutes/#1PP. That's what we want him groomed to be, not a checking wing.

I mean, I skate well too if you take speed out of the equation… Boldy isn’t Brunette/Heatley level, but his game would be on another level if he could skate faster.

I’ve been comparing Yurov to Fiala for probably over a year now. Their playstyle just looks similar.

I have no doubt that Yurov will handle the physicality just fine. It’s not like he’s playing in juniors (*looks at Heidt*), the KHL is either the second or third best men’s league in the world. It would also be nice to get him into the same training program that Kaprizov does.

I still think Yurov ends up at center:

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zucc
Boldy-Yurov-Johansson
Foligno-Eriksson Ek-Hartman

Johansson’s spot is the one weakness I see in the top 9. Maybe Khusnutdinov can snag that spot instead.

 

[57special]

I mean, I skate well too if you take speed out of the equation… Boldy isn’t Brunette/Heatley level, but his game would be on another level if he could skate faster.

I’ve been comparing Yurov to Fiala for probably over a year now. Their playstyle just looks similar.

I have no doubt that Yurov will handle the physicality just fine. It’s not like he’s playing in juniors (*looks at Heidt*), the KHL is either the second or third best men’s league in the world. It would also be nice to get him into the same training program that Kaprizov does.

I still think Yurov ends up at center:

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zucc
Boldy-Yurov-Johansson
Foligno-Eriksson Ek-Hartman

Johansson’s spot is the one weakness I see in the top 9. Maybe Khusnutdinov can snag that spot instead.

bet you don't.