Dan Bylsma Hot Seat Pt. III | Shero pushing for Bylsma extension

[Jules Winnfield]

Which is why I'd like to hear what they had to say about him as a coach, which won't happen unless Bylsma's gone AND Tippett refuses to sign an extension with Phoenix.

What does it matter what Morrow thinks? He's a UFA anyway.

Jussi and Niskanen played for him too.

 

[KIRK]

They actually do have a coaches meeting scheduled this week sometime as Friedman reported on Satellite Hot Stove.

Found it odd the head honchos met with Shero before the coaches meeting has happened. Says to me, changes may be coming or maybe it was just a checkup to make sure hanging on to this guy was the right direction to go...

We'll find out soon enough.

You're about as helpful as Rossi.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

****, screw the rookies. I'd have been impressed if DB could've gotten a favorable matchup for Sid or Geno at home.

To answer the more specific question, guys like BB and Despres would've played more for a Tippett. I don't know that he's a great teaching coach, but he's got far more faith in pedigree than Bylsma. What would help is if he could persuade Dave King to come along for the ride (not sure he would . . . he's 66, stepped down a year ago as an assistant to work with the Yotes young players in some player personnel capacity). His other guy, I believe, is David Playfair, although I don't know anything about him.

Jim Playfair, former Flames head coach.

 

[KIRK]

Yeah, I mean who is the best talent he's ever coached offensively? Mike Ribeiro? An aging Mike Modano? I think he'd also maybe loosen up a bit with this type of offensive talent.

I wonder what kind of relationship Billy G. has with him.



The article said he was there.

And even with the lockout he stayed out until he felt he needed to step it.

Just seems to me if Burkle was there it's pretty serious.

Oh absolutely. Doesn't mean he's gone. But, if he stays, then I'm certain that Shero today hooked himself to Bylsma for better or worse.

 

[td_ice]

I just hope that Gilles Meloche wasn't our "big change". Kinda like when during the regular season, we have an awful game, and DB expresses dismay and promises changes. And then the next night it is announced Joe Vitale will be out of the lineup. (the same Joe Vitale who played 5 minutes the night before).

 

[KIRK]

Jim Playfair, former Flames head coach.

Thanks. Know anything about him?

 

[mpp9]

There's no perfect coach. Tippett will have his warts. You have to look at what is most important for us to have playoff success. I'd argue it's more of a defense first mindset. Personally, I'd love to see Malkin's game under that type of system and coach. If we keep Letang, I'd be alot more confident he'd play a more controlled game.

 

[eXile59]

But the Olympics aren't at all like All-Star Games. There's pressure. Big time pressure. The likes of which can only be experienced in the final two rounds of the playoffs.

Bylsma coaching USA is a wet dream for all other participating countries.

Not in the pressure sense no it's not an all-star game. I was speaking more in the sense that is isn't about a system or learning how to play as a team. Bylsma won't have to teach accountability and there is no time to build real chemistry.

He can literally just throw the best players out there, motivate them, & still win if they're the best team. Of course they're not which is why USA will be lucky to medal.

During my lifetime Olympic hockey has never been system hockey.

 

[KIRK]

There's no perfect coach. Tippett will have his warts. You have to look at what is most important for us to have playoff success. I'd argue it's more of a defense first mindset. Personally, I'd love to see Malkin's game under that type of system and coach. If we keep Letang, I'd be alot more confident he's play a more controlled game.

Neither Crosby nor Malkin struggled to score a lot in Therrien's stifling system.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Not in the pressure sense no it's not an all-star game. I was speaking more in the sense that is isn't about a system or learning how to play as a team. Bylsma won't have to teach accountability and there is no time to build real chemistry.

He can literally just throw the best players out there, motivate them, & still win if they're the best team. Of course they're not which is why USA will be lucky to medal.

During my lifetime Olympic hockey has never been system hockey.

That won't happen.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Madden knows dick, but in terms of that all-day meeting with Shero & ownership, I would've paid at least $102 to be a fly on that wall.

 

[66-30-33]

Madden knows dick, but in terms of that all-day meeting with Shero & ownership, I would've paid at least $102 to be a fly on that wall.

What if they just had an all-day orgy and all-day talk was the cover? i think your fly days would be over fly boy.

 

[KIRK]

Madden knows dick, but in terms of that all-day meeting with Shero & ownership, I would've paid at least $102 to be a fly on that wall.

Cheap. I'd have paid $103 for just Burkle's interrogation of Shero.

 

[IcedCapp]

What if they just had an all-day orgy and all-day talk was the cover? i think your fly days would be over fly boy.

Im a sucker for orgies. And Bylsma knows how to **** **** up. Would have been worth $102

 

[66-30-33]

Im a sucker for orgies. And Bylsma knows how to **** **** up. Would have been worth $102

I'd pay $103.

 

[sexyllama]

There's no perfect coach. Tippett will have his warts. You have to look at what is most important for us to have playoff success. I'd argue it's more of a defense first mindset. Personally, I'd love to see Malkin's game under that type of system and coach. If we keep Letang, I'd be alot more confident he'd play a more controlled game.

When has Letang not been in control? He's an 8 million dollar defender!

 

[KIRK]

Im a sucker for orgies. And Bylsma knows how to **** **** up. Would have been worth $102

I'm stunned to read that.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Thanks. Know anything about him?

Has done quite well as a coach in the minors. Was in way over his head at the NHL level. I think he works with D-men. He used to be a tough journeyman defenseman who had a cup of coffee in the NHL. At one point he was a hot name in the coaching ranks but those come and go quickly.

There's no perfect coach. Tippett will have his warts. You have to look at what is most important for us to have playoff success. I'd argue it's more of a defense first mindset. Personally, I'd love to see Malkin's game under that type of system and coach. If we keep Letang, I'd be alot more confident he's play a more controlled game.

We had defense-first mindsets with Mario's teams in the playoffs. Gretzky's Oilers played defense in the playoffs. It's the playoffs. Everybody bears down defensively.

That doesn't mean we should be trapping in the preseason.

Not in the pressure sense no it's not an all-star game. I was speaking more in the sense that is isn't about a system or learning how to play as a team. Bylsma won't have to teach accountability and there is no time to build real chemistry.

He can literally just throw the best players out there, motivate them, & still win if they're the best team. Of course they're not which is why USA will be lucky to medal.

During my lifetime Olympic hockey has never been system hockey.

And a system isn't the only thing you need in a coach. You need to motivate these guys, you need to be able to react quickly because you don't have 82 games to get it right. It's a tournament, you better know how to get going in a hurry.

Bylsma has trouble relating to anybody but fourth liners, and you think he'd be good in a tournament without any fourth liners?

Neither Crosby nor Malkin struggled to score a lot in Therrien's stifling system.

No, but others did. Crosby and Malkin will always get their points but just because our goaltending went into the crapper and our defense looks shaky, and our No. 1 defenseman has looked lost at times, it doesn't mean we have to do a complete 180 here and become Phoenix.

There's a happy medium out there to be had.

 

[KIRK]

When has Letang not been in control? He's an 8 million dollar defender!

Shirley you can't be serious.

 

[66-30-33]

I need a nap, bai!

 

[KIRK]

Has done quite well as a coach in the minors. Was in way over his head at the NHL level. I think he works with D-men. He used to be a tough journeyman defenseman who had a cup of coffee in the NHL. At one point he was a hot name in the coaching ranks but those come and go quickly.




We had defense-first mindsets with Mario's teams in the playoffs. Gretzky's Oilers played defense in the playoffs. It's the playoffs. Everybody bears down defensively.

That doesn't mean we should be trapping in the preseason.




And a system isn't the only thing you need in a coach. You need to motivate these guys, you need to be able to react quickly because you don't have 82 games to get it right. It's a tournament, you better know how to get going in a hurry.

Bylsma has trouble relating to anybody but fourth liners, and you think he'd be good in a tournament without any fourth liners?




No, but others did. Crosby and Malkin will always get their points but just because our goaltending went into the crapper and our defense looks shaky, and our No. 1 defenseman has looked lost at times, it doesn't mean we have to do a complete 180 here and become Phoenix.

There's a happy medium out there to be had.

I do agree completely with that one, but I find it odd that people assume a coach only subscribes to one style. Some will adjust to their talent. I think Torts is a horse's ***, but that was Mr. 'Safe is Death' in TB. Then, he gets to NY and does a 180 based on their personnel. I could be wrong, but I don't sense system arrogance when it comes to Tippett. So, some coaches out there will adapt to personnel because they're more interested in winning that being right. At the very least, that should make for something novel in Pittsburgh.

 

[Raingarden]

I know there has been a lot of chat about firing Bylsma, but to a certain degree this loss is also on Shero. Being the GM, he is also responsible for the season.

He tried to make good roster decisions to improve their playoff chances, which did get them to the ECF, but in order to get to the SCF he will need to make more changes.

Can't expect better results if you aren't going to change something.

Being a players coach isn't new to Pittsburgh either. LeBeau and Tomlin are the same way. Bylsma lets his star players run the show because he trusts them to get the job done. Well they didn't in the Boston series, and if Mario/Burkle/Shero analyzed it a bit more, it was the system they were playing against the trap Boston set forth. Without those adjustments from a coach there wasn't going to be a way they could win, even being that stack on offense. This doesn't give Bylsma an excuse to say the players weren't playing as good as they could have. If he made the necessary adjustments, maybe the offense could have exploded. I would argue the Pens have the best offense in the league, and there really isn't an excuse for that kind of a performance. Only 2 goals in 4 games, why was Malkin and Crosby shut down? Ultimately it lies in the coaching decisions.

It doesn't look good for Bylsma, and if what is said about Mario hating to lose, is true, then he'll try to urge to get rid of him. Have to look at other coach prospects, but I think there are a few better than Bylsma to take this team to a cup.

I highly doubt Shero wants to be in the same position again next year because his job will certainly be on the line.

I like our GM, he made great moves to put us in the best position to win. Our coaching staff couldn't capitalize on it. If there was ever a better chance to win another cup it was this year. I couldn't imagine how frustrating this loss is for the ownership who definitely had expectations of a SCF appearance, if not winning it.

Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Madden knows dick, but in terms of that all-day meeting with Shero & ownership, I would've paid at least $102 to be a fly on that wall.

Probably went something like this:

Mario: Ray, what the hell happened in the playoffs?

Burkle: Yeah... You went out and got the best available players at the deadline. How could this happen?

Shero: Ummm...

Mario: (cutting Shero off) Here's a question everyone wants to know. Why in the hell was Iginla forced to continue to play on the left wing when Ray Charles could see he looked uncomfortable and ineffective doing so? Did you not tell Dan that we didn't trade a 1st round pick and 2 prospects for a future HOF to play out of position or on the 3rd line?

Burkle: (Lighting up cigar with Bylsma's business card) Yeah!?

Shero: Well... Dan

Mario: (cutting Shero off) Speaking of Dan, why did it take him until game 3 to make an adjustment in the Boston series? Why did we get embarrassed in front of our home fans in game 2 and blow an entire conference final game?

Burkle: (Playing with voodoo doll of Fleury) Yeah!? I thought we were going to have a big party with the cup in the grotto with playmates at my mansion!

 

[Raingarden]

^^^

Pretty much summed it up perfectly.

If this **** happens again next year, and Dan is still a coach, Shero is fired. Which is exactly why I believe he would get rid of Dan to have a little bit more job security.

 

[KIRK]

Probably went something like this:

Mario: Ray, what the hell happened in the playoffs?

Burkle: Yeah... You went out and got the best available players at the deadline. How could this happen?

Shero: Ummm...

Mario: (cutting Shero off) Here's a question everyone wants to know. Why in the hell was Iginla forced to continue to play on the left wing when Ray Charles could see he looked uncomfortable and ineffective doing so? Did you not tell Dan that we didn't trade a 1st round pick and 2 prospects for a future HOF to play out of position or on the 3rd line?

Burkle: (Lighting up cigar with Bylsma's business card) Yeah!?

Shero: Well... Dan

Mario: (cutting Shero off) Speaking of Dan, why did it take him until game 3 to make an adjustment in the Boston series? Why did we get embarrassed in front of our home fans in game 2 and blow an entire conference final game?

Burkle: (Playing with voodoo doll of Fleury) Yeah!? I thought we were going to have a big party with the cup in the grotto with playmates at my mansion!

That might be the timid version of how it went.