Player Discussion: Damon Severson

[Double-Shift Lasse]

What will it take for me to put you in a Blue Jacket today?

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

2nd. Matthew Tkachuk was the 1st

He was an rfa

???? He was an RFA.

I'm sure there have been others pending UFA who had their rights traded but I can't specifically recall names.

I don’t think so. I remember last year it was a biggish deal that tkachuk was the first and he was an rfa

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

He was an rfa


I don’t think so. I remember last year it was a biggish deal that tkachuk was the first and he was an rfa

Tkachuk was the first what? I'm confused.

He was an RFA with arbitration rights who said he wouldn't sign long term with Calgary. The Coyotes traded the rights to Bryzgalov to Philly in 2012. Its been done plenty of times and usually done for a lesser draft picks.

 

[tunnelvision]

If Jiricek is in Cleveland Id still put Boqvist in PP1. Hes still the best we have in that role and either the player continues to improve and you keep him or you show him off and trade him

Based on the PP video samples below, I think Severson gets the job done in terms of smart and quick in-zone passing and getting shots through traffic. Boqvist might be better at carrying pucks into the zone and beating goalies clean with his shot but otherwise he looks as good or better than Boqvist imo. Therefore I don't think it's a very strong argument for not trading Boqvist this offseason.

 

[CBJx614]

Something I havent seen anyone else mention so far with these two trades, not only are they veteran players with a ton of games under their belts, both Severson and Provorov wore letters on their jerseys.

 

[Forge]

Was this the first ever sign and trade with a UFA in nhl history?

As a UFA, yes (as far as I am aware).

The leafs / oilers nearly did it a couple of years ago with Hyman, but couldn't come to terms on compensation

 

[Forge]

Im not so sure about that. A cursory look to me makes me think the teams that might want Severson dont have the cap space for Severson while the teams with the cap space (Anaheim, Chicago, etc.) aren’t ready to make such a move. NJ is actually a team that is on the rise and could afford him, and they obviously weren’t willing to match our offer. If you have an example of a team that would compete with us and have the cap space, please share it.

I'm a devils fan and to be clear, we really couldn't afford him. We would have been paying our right side defense 20 million with him on the books with our #2 overall almost ready to go. Mercer needs a new deal after this one and if they go long term, that's going to be pricey (somewhere between Matt Boldy's 7x7 and the deal Caufield just signed, I imagine). Big money deals to Bratt and Timo will eat up the money really quickly. The devils will also likely lose Graves this off season.

You just can't pay everyone. Most devils fans (there are some who are unforgiving of Severson's brain farts and treat him as though he is the worst dman in history because of them) would tell you if there was a way to keep Severson in a manner that was affordable and workable, they would have loved to do it. But we all knew that it couldn't be done.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

People love to wonder how long Columbus can be bad and Jarmo still have a job and when they make moves to improve/take steps to improve those same people go what the hell is Columbus doing adding players when they were the 2nd worst team in the league!

Can’t wait for the apology tour in 2 years time

I hope you're right. I've pretty much given up trying to figure out what they need to do to become a real contender. I'm absolutely convinced tanking doesn't work, at least under the current rules. I look at teams like Vegas and Seattle and see that they have made a lot of progress by acquiring solid veterans instead of relying on the draft. I'd guess there are lots of intangibles that are hard for someone like me an average fans to see.

 

[Sdrawkcab321]

Tkachuk was the first what? I'm confused.

He was an RFA with arbitration rights who said he wouldn't sign long term with Calgary. The Coyotes traded the rights to Bryzgalov to Philly in 2012. Its been done plenty of times and usually done for a lesser draft picks.

Brad Treliving made NHL history with the Matthew Tkachuk trade - The Win Column

What a whirlwind offseason it’s been for the Calgary Flames to say the least. Just when the dust barely started to settle on Johnny Gaudreau’s shocking move to Columbus, Matthew Tkachuk made it known that he would not be signing in Calgary meaning the Flames would be looking to trade him. As if...

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I’m going off of this

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I'm a devils fan and to be clear, we really couldn't afford him. We would have been paying our right side defense 20 million with him on the books with our #2 overall almost ready to go. Mercer needs a new deal after this one and if they go long term, that's going to be pricey (somewhere between Matt Boldy's 7x7 and the deal Caufield just signed, I imagine). Big money deals to Bratt and Timo will eat up the money really quickly. The devils will also likely lose Graves this off season.

You just can't pay everyone. Most devils fans (there are some who are unforgiving of Severson's brain farts and treat him as though he is the worst dman in history because of them) would tell you if there was a way to keep Severson in a manner that was affordable and workable, they would have loved to do it. But we all knew that it couldn't be done.

I know you maybe don't watch a lot of CBJ hockey, but you as someone who has watched a lot of Severson, do you believe he can handle 1RD minutes next to Werenski? Think they would work together well as a pair? Thanks for the info

 

[WannabeFinn]

Peeke and PIck #22 could get a nice player or a jump up the draft board.

We already traded that pick in the Provorov deal.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Brad Treliving made NHL history with the Matthew Tkachuk trade - The Win Column

What a whirlwind offseason it’s been for the Calgary Flames to say the least. Just when the dust barely started to settle on Johnny Gaudreau’s shocking move to Columbus, Matthew Tkachuk made it known that he would not be signing in Calgary meaning the Flames would be looking to trade him. As if...

thewincolumn.ca

I’m going off of this

Maybe in most circumstances it is a trade and sign agreement where the trade is done first and the contract is signed afterwards. This seems the case with Severson. I never considered the differences in the order of events because generally those deals are pretty much agreed to when the trade happens.

I think there have been rare instances where a guy gets flipped for a late round pick conditionally if he signs and he ends up walking to UFA status but that seems few and far between.

 

[stevo61]

Based on the PP video samples below, I think Severson gets the job done in terms of smart and quick in-zone passing and getting shots through traffic. Boqvist might be better at carrying pucks into the zone and beating goalies clean with his shot but otherwise he looks as good or better than Boqvist imo. Therefore I don't think it's a very strong argument for not trading Boqvist this offseason.

Thats exactly why he is better. He can move the puck just as well but also offers more of a threat to score on his own meaning teams cant just cheat to Laine. Its not a coincidence the PP got better with Boqvist

 

[CBJx614]

Sevys tribute from Jersey

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Ferraro & Biron both call Provorov & Serverson acquisitions wins for Columbus.

 

[BB88]

Ferraro & Biron both call Provorov & Serverson acquisitions wins for Columbus.

As they should.

People are really overreacting to 6M cap hit.

1D money today is 10M and that number will just go up. So already today giving 6M for top4 in his prime is a fair price and the cap will start to go up at some point.

 

[stevo61]

As they should.

People are really overreacting to 6M cap hit.

1D money today is 10M and that number will just go up. So already today giving 6M for top4 in his prime is a fair price and the cap will start to go up at some point.

Yeah the cap is fine. Not a team friendly deal which was obviously unrealistic. The term is far from ideal but with rising cap, actual cash less than the caphit toward the end and the trade protection lowering the last few years there are ways around it if needed

 

[BB88]

Yeah the cap is fine. Not a team friendly deal which was obviously unrealistic. The term is far from ideal but with rising cap, actual cash less than the caphit toward the end and the trade protection lowering the last few years there are ways around it if needed

They are still not in a place where they can take players take discounts to win/compete for the Cup.

But these are the types of moves that can help to get them to a place where players will want to go to play/take less for a chance.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

First exposure to Damon Severson watching the interview... appears to be a really good dude.. as noted he Provy both had letters on their sweaters eh?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

First exposure to Damon Severson watching the interview... appears to be a really good dude.. as noted he Provy both had letters on their sweaters eh?

I don't believe Severson was an A permanently but he stepped into one when injuries hit. If you google him you'll see photos from last season with and without.

Hischier, Hughes and Palat were the permanent C and A. he might have worn the A while Palat was out with injury.

 

[Forge]

I know you maybe don't watch a lot of CBJ hockey, but you as someone who has watched a lot of Severson, do you believe he can handle 1RD minutes next to Werenski? Think they would work together well as a pair? Thanks for the info

The interesting thing is that I can't remember a time where prime Sevs was the #2 on the top line. When he was on the top pair, he was the guy. And he's not that guy.

So I think there's at least somewhat of a chance that he could be just fine since he won't be the primary on that pairing.

He ran into problems in new jersey because there were stretches where he'd just play so damn much. Like, two years ago there was a two month stretch where he played nearly 20 games and he played less than 23 minutes like once. So just don't let him be the guy you're leaning on like that.

I think this should be a really good rush defense pair for you and I think it'll be good on the break out. It'll run into problems when a team locks in possession in your zone and pushing back on dump and chase isn't his thing. So if these aren't strong points for Werenski that could get you into trouble.

Severson gets a little frazzled, I think. His brain can short circuit. You'll see him take bad penalties in crunch time, egregious pee wee level mistakes, etc. I think he's much better when he's not handling the bulk of the pressure from everything on the pair. If werenski can release some of that pressure for him, wouldn't shock me at all if he was a fine #2 on the top pair.

 

[stevo61]

I don't believe Severson was an A permanently but he stepped into one when injuries hit. If you google him you'll see photos from last season with and without.

Hischier, Hughes and Palat were the permanent C and A. he might have worn the A while Palat was out with injury.

Elite Prospects shows he had an A the last 2 years so he atleast had it alternating

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Elite Prospects shows he had an A the last 2 years so he atleast had it alternating

He appears to have worn it more in the prior 2 years but the Devils website didn't have the 'A' designation this past year.

In any event, a letter is just a letter so he certainly has some leadership qualities that we need a lot more of. He can lead regardless if he has one stitched on his shirt or not.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Scouting the NJ thread (they're complimenting Columbus the city a lot btw, guess that's cool), this one was too good to not post:



Pretty funny.

People are really overreacting to 6M cap hit. 1D money today is 10M and that number will just go up. So already today giving 6M for top4 in his prime is a fair price and the cap will start to go up at some point.

Yeah I feel the same. 6M is not 10M or 11M. Karlsson makes what, 12M? I don't like the term either but retain 20-30% like the Flyers did on Provorov and it should be a movable contract when it becomes more problematic, if not bought out.

 

[stevo61]

Like the Provorov hit, here is another video people should like. Punking Hornqvist for trying to act tough



I dont know where this WallyCBJ channel came from but theyve been killing it with the videos. Trying to post the Severson highlight video but not working for whatever reason