Value of: Dallas Stars potential fire sale

[Bigshow747]

But other teams will, thats the point. And Pavelski> Strome.

Pavelski >>> Strome

Pavelski can also play RW, and might even be better there. Someone is going to pay a 1st in order to either A) outbid the rest or B) not have to play against him. Teams that need an offensive boost won't find much better out there. He might legitimately be the best all around forward available if Dallas goes that route.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

But other teams will, thats the point. And Pavelski> Strome.

Im fine if another team spends a 1st on him. I dont think the Rangers are really contenders this year. Pavelski wont change that.

 

[Kcb12345]

Im fine if another team spends a 1st on him. I dont think the Rangers are really contenders this year. Pavelski wont change that.

This is a fair take, and kinda what I was thinking. Don't think the Rangers would bid as high as other teams who might be a bit more desperate or feel they can really contend with teams like Tampa or Florida

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Iginla at the time of his trade to Pittsburgh was close (soon to be 36). Jagr was actually older when traded to Boston (41). Nash was no spring chicken as well (soon to be 34).

So Iginla is the closest comparable. He was traded 8 years ago. I wouldn't say the odds are in your favor.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

So Iginla is the closest comparable. He was traded 8 years ago. I wouldn't say the odds are in your favor.

What are the counter comparables then? Which players that produced mid to late in their 30s and were in a position to be dealt have for less recently?

I’m willing to be convinced of the alternative if you have anything other than a blanket dismissal.

 

[keglu]

Im fine if another team spends a 1st on him. I dont think the Rangers are really contenders this year. Pavelski wont change that.

Agree, Rangers time will come, this is not the year imo. So many great teams in East.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I think Klingberg would be a good upgrade over Holl on the Leafs 2nd pair. Good PMD that gives Muzzin someone more reliable to work with and also has a strong playoff pedigree.

Something like Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta for Holl/Dermott + 1st + Robertson?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

When was the last time a GM gave up a 1st for a 37 year old rental?

This is such a bad take lol. Rental's age is pretty irrelevant. Age only matters when there is term since players slow down over time. Rentals aren't there long enough to slow down. You are buying the player for what they are exactly now. For example, Giordano is 38 and it is quite likely he returns a 1st at this Deadline

 

[Bigshow747]

I think Klingberg would be a good upgrade over Holl on the Leafs 2nd pair. Good PMD that gives Muzzin someone more reliable to work with and also has a strong playoff pedigree.

Something like Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta for Holl/Dermott + 1st + Robertson?

I think I as a Stars fan would do that. I like Kiviranta, but in all honesty that one game he had in the playoffs was what got him his contract. Solid 4th liner but pretty interchangeable with some of the youngsters coming. I would love Robertson. Between Holl or Dermott who's the better of the two?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I think I as a Stars fan would do that. I like Kiviranta, but in all honesty that one game he had in the playoffs was what got him his contract. Solid 4th liner but pretty interchangeable with some of the youngsters coming. I would love Robertson. Between Holl or Dermott who's the better of the two?

IMO Holl vs Dermott is dependant on who Toronto would want to keep, Not Dallas' choice there

 

[Brett44]

1st + Kaut or Bowers for Pavelski and Hakanpaa

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Whats the deal with Radulov, is he hurt or just looking old?

Injuries?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

1st + Kaut or Bowers for Pavelski and Hakanpaa

Pavelski and Klingberg or Hakanpaa please and thank you

 

[Hockey Dad]

Whats the deal with Radulov, is he hurt or just looking old?

Injuries?

He is in Covid protocol now. He looks fine on the ice. The Stars system is crap and sucks the life out of offense. He will go to another team and start making plays. Bowness has him on the 4th line with crap players.

 

[Peat]

Shame we're a lot deeper on the right than the left as otherwise Radulov would make a bunch of sense for the Pens.

Could see Holtby possibly being of interest too.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

When was the last time a GM gave up a 1st for a 37 year old rental?

Are you serious?

He wasn't 37 but Foligno got more than a 1st last trade deadline as a pure rental and he's not half the player Pavelski is.

 

[Bigshow747]

Are you serious?

He wasn't 37 but Foligno got more than a 1st last trade deadline as a pure rental and he's not half the player Pavelski is.

I also remember the package Pageau got from the Islanders and was shocked at the return for a 3C. Pavelski is one of the better rentals to hit the market in a long time. There are at least 6 teams I could see wanting in on that action, and I bet one of them would give a 1st plus when it's all said and done, even if it's to make sure someone else in their division doesn't get him.

 

[kevsh]

Between Holl or Dermott who's the better of the two?

Dermott is younger and has upside while Holl has been regressing. I can see teams thinking Holl is a more enticing target because he's a righty and a bigger body but Dermott is shifty and a decent skater.

 

[Johno]

I think Klingberg would be a good upgrade over Holl on the Leafs 2nd pair. Good PMD that gives Muzzin someone more reliable to work with and also has a strong playoff pedigree.

Something like Klingberg (50%) + Kiviranta for Holl/Dermott + 1st + Robertson?

Retaining on Klingberg would block Dallas from retaining on Pavelski or Radulov trade. Seeing that Klingberg is the cheapest, retaining on his contract would need a more premium price.

 

[Johno]

1st + Kaut or Bowers for Pavelski and Hakanpaa

Pavelski and Klingberg or Hakanpaa please and thank you

Stars just signed Hakanpaa to a long deal. Why the heck would they move him?
He is playing superb and is really cheap. His analytics are some of the best among this d-core.

And he sure as hell is not going as a side piece in a deal, which isn’t even enough for Pavelski alone.

 

[Overrateprospects]

Teams will be all over them if they decide they wanna blow it up.

Of course Klingberg we already know, but there are some really good pieces available here.

Someone is gonna get Radulov for a steal of a deal and he's gonna be great there. Stars system is killing the return they'll get on him and just watch he's suddenly gonna go back to normal when he's traded. He's still got it.

Radulov sounds like a player the Rangers would look at for top 9 role. What would be the cost? I know a lot of Rangers fans wouldn’t want him because of age but Drury has been looking for middle 9 option since October.

 

[SherVaughn30]

I could see the Caps being interested in both Holtby and Raffl, if Mantha continues to be on LTIR for the rest of the regular season. For Holtby I would trade Vitek Vanecek(RFA, 716k cap hit), instead of giving up a 3rd rounder. I would give a 4th rounder for Raffl.

 

[Bigshow747]

Personally, I'd be curious if Toronto would move a combination of Robertson + Niemela/Liljegren + 1st for Klingberg 50% retained.

 

[The S5]

Pavelski to the Canes would be amazing. Might be what puts them over the hump to s Cup.

 

[oconnor9sean]

It really is the perfect year for Dallas to do a re-tool.

Two elite rental options (Klingberg & Pavelski), a veteran forward (Radulov), a former Cup-winning goalie having a great season (Holtby) and a 3rd line / PK guy (Raffl) having a surprisingly good year.