Confirmed with Link: [DAL/NYR] Zuccarello (30% retained) for 2019 2nd (Cond 1st*,) & 2020 3rd (Cond 1st**)

[haohmaru]

I'm even more pissed that we didn't get another 7th out of this. Absolute horsesh*t.

 

[McRanger]

So the conditional 3rd is a 2020 3rd?

 

[Fitzy]

It won’t be a first and a first. It’ll be a second and a third and it will get us nowhere

Let’s see the throw away for Hayes coming in

Getting less than some of us want for one players doesn't necessarily translate into less for another.

Certainly less than we maybe wanted for McDonagh didn't change anything about the Nash or Grabner deals.

 

[Leetch3]

boy sure glad we let him help ruin the tank for 3/4 of the season for this return. i look forward to the goalie we pick in the 2nd round

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I can’t imagine being outraged about this return.

For real. We were told for weeks “2nd and a prospect” and now we get a 2nd and a 3rd (before considering conditional stuff) which is my idea of “ok we’ll take the second but we don’t like any of your prospects so give us a 3rd instead).

Deal is fine.

 

[Uglybstrd]

Honestly don’t like the return but at least they didn’t make this guy wait until 3pm on Monday

I get a feeling Gorts wanted this deal out of the way. The offer from Dallas was the best and he decided to pull the trigger. I guess he has bigger fishes to fry on sunday/monday. Kreider/Shatty/Hayes? And McQ of course.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Hypothetically speaking, let's say Zucc is interested in returning to Dallas, but the Stars enter a bidding war with another team or two, which is entirely plausible. You don't think it's going to creep into Nill's mind that he would have to give up a FIRST ROUNDER to re-sign Zucc?

Zuc needs to atleast be an above PPG player and have a signicant impact. If he’s average and they get bounced out in the first round yeah no way he’s back in Dallas. I can see us resigning him which means free draft picks

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Those 2nds are also in 20 and 21, we got picks in 19 and 20

From a team like OTT, their 21 pick will still be high.

 

[haohmaru]

Also, IF the concept is to take these picks and then re-sign Zucc I’m more angry because THAT IS NOT A ****ING REBUILD

Rebuilding teams sign UFA's all the time. What are you talking about?

 

[Tob]

I'm fine with 2+3 instead of 2+2 for the gambling upside. I mean, obviously Gorton is taking less for a chance at getting top end talent. Not sure how else we're suppose to accomplish the "find top end talent" task in this rebuild without taking some chances in trade equity or getting lucky in the draft lottery.

 

[Polar Bear]

Also can't take away from the fact that the outrage is stemming from our love for Zucc. Very little but an overpayment would have been praised. The market CLEARLY wasn't as hot for Zucc as we wanted it to be.

 

[Irishguy42]

So the conditional 3rd is a 2020 3rd?

Yes. Right now, without conditions, the return was a 2019 2nd and a 2020 3rd.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Hypothetically speaking, let's say Zucc is interested in returning to Dallas, but the Stars enter a bidding war with another team or two, which is entirely plausible. You don't think it's going to creep into Nill's mind that he would have to give up a FIRST ROUNDER to re-sign Zucc?

Of course it is, which is why it won't happen. It was a throwaway condition.

 

[bl02]

Pure f***ing garbage!!! Pure! The chance of the Stars winning two rounds is Nil yes just like the name of their gm Jim NILL. And no way are they resigning Zucc and losing a first rounder. This is a bad trade sorry

 

[MrEctions]

If you think that’s a better return, I dong know what to tell you.

It’s just an opinion. If one of the picks turns to a first then it’s a better deal but that’s not a sure thing. If not though I’d take the two guaranteed 2nds.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Total fail by Gorton. How can you get that pathetic return? you just got played with those conditions. Winning 2 rounds to 7th team that is very unlikely if you wanted to give those conditions should have traded him to a better team.

Now Stars can't even use those 1st round picks to make themselves better which means they won't be able to get much more than Zucc to make a run.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Of course it is, which is why it won't happen. It was a throwaway condition.

Correct. It's pointless and a third rounder isn't worth much. We could probably get a third rounder for McQuaid.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

So we potentially end up with three first round picks or three/four second round picks this year. We just need Dallas to get swept in the WCF and Tampa win the cup. Aye I’m all for the assets worse case scenerio.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I can’t imagine being outraged about this return.

Are you new here? This is HFNYR.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

This is what happens when a player is overrated. He's been our 2ndor 3rd best forward for a few years but the aftermath of this move is more a commentary on how lackluster the team is and less that Gorton did poorly... he's a 2nd line player.

 

[Traderalways]

It will break our way! We will get two #1 picks. Then Gorton will draft a couple more of LIAS. LOL.

 

[eco's bones]

Dzingel IMO got a much better return.

I'm not crazy about the conditions. Dallas will probably make the playoffs but they're a big reach IMO to get past two rounds. I mean if they do--that's great. As for Zuccarello re-signing with them---you know if I'm Jim Nill I'm kind of already thinking that ain't going to happen. Zucc is a good player and all but he's 32 next year. Would anybody here give up a first rounder to give Zucc a 5 year and say $30-35 million contract? I'll take it for granted right now and answer for practically everyone. No you wouldn't.

That 3rd to a 1st--I'm calling bullshit on that right now. That 3rd is going to be a 3rd.

 

[Trxjw]

It could be, but it strikes me as as relatively optimistic thinking.

I try to be optimistic in the inevitable sea of pessimism around here pre-deadline. Still, Dallas isn't exactly a hot bed for free agency despite the tax advantages and deep-pocketed ownership. They've been lousy at the draft table as well. Cashing in what they hope to be a late 1st round pick to keep a guy that performs well for them isn't that much of a stretch.

 

[LORDE]

Rebuilding teams sign UFA's all the time. What are you talking about?

I’m talking about making this team better in the future and not resigning our 31 yr old UFAs to tread more water than we have been.

TURN THE DAMN PAGE

 

[Trxjw]

So the conditional 3rd is a 2020 3rd?

Yes.