D. Toews vs Q. Hughes

[Ainec]

Toews better now but we will keep Hughes

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Toews is light-years ahead of Hughes.



Toews hasn't had a SINGLE minus game this season, and leads the league in +/-

He's 3rd in points per game behind Makar and Hedman.

If he didn't miss 10 games due to an off-season surgery, he would be top 5 in the league in every category right now.

Toews is great and all but if you swap these players? Hughes’ points go way up, and Toews’ plummets.

I watch a ton of both players. Makar and the higher scoring back end change things a lot.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

This is clearly Toews, better in his own end, better points per game and he doesn’t even get PP1 time.

What exactly is the argument for Hughes?

swap situations.

look at toews on other teams. he’s great and clicking, but to say he isn’t a product of his environment as much as his contribution is comedy considering his history

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Toews is great and all but if you swap these players? Hughes’ points go way up, and Toews’ plummets.

I watch a ton of both players. Makar and the higher scoring back end change things a lot.

Can Hughes still score that many PP points if he's playing on the 2nd unit? What if he's on the 2nd pairing, because his game doesn't compliment Makar's on the top pairing? Will that still make his "points go way up"?

 

[AvsFan29]

Toews is great and all but if you swap these players? Hughes’ points go way up, and Toews’ plummets.

I watch a ton of both players. Makar and the higher scoring back end change things a lot.

Toews doesn't even play PP1. Put him on Vancouvers PP1, and he scores a ton

 

[Phrasing]

Toews doesn't even play PP1. Put him on Vancouvers PP1, and he scores a ton

More than Hughes? You sure about that?

 

[AvsFan29]

More than Hughes? You sure about that?

Yes.

 

[Phrasing]

Yes.

You do you. Nothing has ever suggested that Toews is a better offensive defenseman then Hughes. Hughes has more primary points and drives offense more than Toews. Toews secondary points being a much larger percentage of his points demonstrates he’s benefitting from better scoring support.

 

[AvsFan29]

Nothing has ever suggested that Toews is a better offensive defenseman then Hughes

Ummm...Toews has the same amount of points as Hughes. 4x as many goals.

In 11 less games played.

 

[Phrasing]

Ummm...Toews has the same amount of points as Hughes. 4x as many goals.

In 11 less games played.

Way to read my post. Also great sample size. Anyways, I can already tell it’s fruitless to discuss with you so I will bow out.

 

[John Johnson]

Ummm...Toews has the same amount of points as Hughes. 4x as many goals.

In 11 less games played.

Quinn Hughes also has 20 more career points than Toews in about 29 less games, while also being 5 years younger. Rofl.

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

Quinn Hughes also has 20 more career points than Toews in about 29 less games, while also being 5 years younger. Rofl.

But he spent two years on the low scoring Islanders playing under Trotz, so he's definitely better offensively.

 

[AvsFan29]

Quinn Hughes also has 20 more career points than Toews in about 29 less games, while also being 5 years younger. Rofl.

If Toews hadn't missed games due to surgery, this wouldn't even be a conversation. Toews is a top 5 defenceman in the league analytically. He's incredible. Hughes is pretty good

 

[John Johnson]

But he spent two years on the low scoring Islanders playing under Trotz, so he's definitely better offensively.

This is asinine reasoning.

 

[Ncit3]

I’m just glad that a couple years later and this is the comparison that we’re having. Kinda hilarious. Makar just put the him vs. Hughes thing to bed quickly with his play.

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

This is asinine reasoning.

You don't understand. Hughes was playing with Elias Petterson and Brock Boeser which raised his point totals. Toews was stuck playing with Josh Bailey and Brock Nelson in Trotz's system. So even though Hughes had more points, Toews was better offensively.

 

[triggrman]

But he spent two years on the low scoring Islanders playing under Trotz, so he's definitely better offensively.

Funny how much a team can impact your scoring as a defenseman, right?

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

Funny how much a team can impact your scoring as a defenseman, right?

So you admit Toews is better offensively? We can close this thread now.

 

[triggrman]

So you admit Toews is better offensively? We can close this thread now.

You can check out anytime you like but no, I didn't say anything close to that. I think we may have found your issue though.

 

[John Johnson]

You don't understand. Hughes was playing with Elias Petterson and Brock Boeser which raised his point totals. Toews was stuck playing with Josh Bailey and Brock Nelson in Trotz's system. So even though Hughes had more points, Toews was better offensively.

Right, and Greens system was clearly working so well and took them so far. Its pretty obvious to me who the better team was those 2 years and even now.

53 pts in 68 games as a 20 year old rookie > 18 pts in 48 games as a 23 year old rookie

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

You don't understand. Hughes was playing with Elias Petterson and Brock Boeser which raised his point totals. Toews was stuck playing with Josh Bailey and Brock Nelson in Trotz's system. So even though Hughes had more points, Toews was better offensively.

Toews has 85 career ES points in 199 games - 0.427 ES points per game

Hughes has 66 ES points in 170 career games - 0.388 ES points per game.

But, only one of them gets PP1 time.

 

[Freudian]

I think they are fairly even overall but it's a tough comparison since they play different roles.

Online polls should only be used for entertainment. It doesn't really matter if your guy wins or loses.

 

[triggrman]

I think they are fairly even overall but it's a tough comparison since they play different roles.

Online polls should only be used for entertainment. It doesn't really matter if your guy wins or loses.

Say that louder for the people in the back.

 

[Nucky]

I’m just glad that a couple years later and this is the comparison that we’re having. Kinda hilarious. Makar just put the him vs. Hughes thing to bed quickly with his play.

I honestly think that's the entire point of this thread

 

[elitepete]

Can Hughes still score that many PP points if he's playing on the 2nd unit? What if he's on the 2nd pairing, because his game doesn't compliment Makar's on the top pairing? Will that still make his "points go way up"?

Can Toews get that many even strength points on a team that doesn't have Mackinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen?