D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Fatass]

Why we had to absolutely take a D-man ? Plenty of good forwards were available and we need that too.

I’ve read some Habs’ fans wanted Michkov. Imo if Reinbacher reaches his ceiling of a solid complimentary D on a top
Pairing he could have more impact on the Habs’ winning than Michkov. Habs already have a very small CC on their top
Line.

 

[montreal]

What D men could the Habs have chosen instead, who look like they have a higher ceiling?

Hughes said if Reinbacher was a LD they may not have picked him, so in just looking at RD's, there's Willander but I haven't seen him play.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Why we had to absolutely take a D-man ? Plenty of good forwards were available and we need that too.

aside from Michkov theres no other forwards available that i would have taken over Reinbacher
a big mobile 2 way def like him is very useful for a team hes gonna be playing 23/24+ minutes a night and trusted in all situations he'll be a great pick just sucks that MM was also available at #5 but Bobrov is very connected with SKA so maybe he knows something we dont or we just skipped him because hes russian will probably never know lol

 

[Guadana]

aside from Michkov, Reinbacher is a very good pick. Two way big mobile right defensemen are the most valuable after first line centers.

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Goldenhands]

Hughes said if Reinbacher was a LD they may not have picked him, so in just looking at RD's, there's Willander but I haven't seen him play.

Of course, why would you pick a LHD with Guhle, Engstrom, Hutson and Xhekaj in the system? A top RHD was both a need and a strong pick at 5th OV.

 

[montreal]

Of course, why would you pick a LHD with Guhle, Engstrom, Hutson and Xhekaj in the system? A top RHD was both a need and a strong pick at 5th OV.

at 5th OA you take the best player as 5th OA should be better then all those players.

 

[Goldenhands]

at 5th OA you take the best player as 5th OA should be better then all those players.

So was Reinbacher on my list. Michkov was coming with too many red flags and I had Reinbacher over Smith or any other fowards left.

 

[majormajor]

Of course, why would you pick a LHD with Guhle, Engstrom, Hutson and Xhekaj in the system? A top RHD was both a need and a strong pick at 5th OV.

at 5th OA you take the best player as 5th OA should be better then all those players.

BPA comes from the value added at the position, which is in turn depending on the relative scarcity of that player type around the league. So if the GM was talking about the importance of RD based on that leaguewide value, I think he was right. But if it was just about Habs current roster needs I think that is not how you make your 5th OA selections.

 

[montreal]

So was Reinbacher on my list. Michkov was coming with too many red flags and I had Reinbacher over Smith or any other fowards left.

what was it about his play in the NL that stood out to you? Did you have NL.tv? I'm thinking of getting it (never had it before) next season

 

[MoneyManny]

Of course, why would you pick a LHD with Guhle, Engstrom, Hutson and Xhekaj in the system? A top RHD was both a need and a strong pick at 5th OV.

No matter what you have in your system you take BPA. Hockey drafts are such a crapshoot, if you try to plan a lineup based on your picks, nothing is ever going to go as you expect it.

I never understood the strategy of drafting by positional value either. A winger or even a goalie on a NHL roster is worth 100 two way centers or RHD busts.

Passing on talent for any reason whatsoever in the draft is nonsense to me. Having a surplus of talent at a position is always a blessing and never a curse.

 

[Goldenhands]

what was it about his play in the NL that stood out to you? Did you have NL.tv? I'm thinking of getting it (never had it before) next season

Well the defensive side of his game is really solid to start with, he has a long reach, a strong active stick, great mobility, closes gap quickly and kills alot of plays. His defending IQ is really high, displaying a high level maturity in his game. Offensively, his hands are possibly the only real area where he needs improvement to become a top notch defenseman at the NHL level, but thats still good enough and rarely put himself in trouble. His passing abilities are great, he dishes pucks really quickly, sharply and smartly, what makes him a really solid transitional player. Can make quick, short effective passes or long outlet bombs on the tape, can also skate the puck up ice since he is also a strong skater. His shot is heavy and can do alot of damage, Im expecting it to become even more of a treath as he gains more strength and matures physically. Does he have top PP quarterback in him? Maybe, maybe not, we will see, but Ive no doubt he can at least run our 2nd PP wave down the road. Since we already have guys like Hutson, Engstrom in the system, thats not really of an issue either.

Ill PM you a link for the games viewing.

 

[Goldenhands]

No matter what you have in your system you take BPA. Hockey drafts are such a crapshoot, if you try to plan a lineup based on your picks, nothing is ever going to go as you expect it.

I never understood the strategy of drafting by positional value either. A winger or even a goalie on a NHL roster is worth 100 two way centers or RHD busts.

Passing on talent for any reason whatsoever in the draft is nonsense to me. Having a surplus of talent at a position is always a blessing and never a curse.

Moritz Seider was not even listed top 15 on any scouting services in his draft year. I had him 4th OV, Yzerman selected him 6th OV and about everyone thought it was a reach on draft day, the Wings were the big losers of that draft according to HF members, A few years later, how did it pan out?

Top RD playing huge minutes every games and shutting down the opposite top players are highly valuable and win you hockey games, something Dubass never understood as a hockey GM.

 

[thrillhous]

Moritz Seider was not even listed top 15 on any scouting services in his draft year. I had him 4th OV, Yzerman selected him 6th OV and about everyone thought it was a reach on draft day, the Wings were the big losers of that draft according to HF members, A few years later, how did it pan out?

Top RD playing huge minutes every games and shutting down the opposite top players are highly valuable and win you hockey games, something Dubass never understood as a hockey GM.

As an Oilers fan I am super excited to see Broberg finally show what made you rank him above Seider, Cozens, Boldy, Zegras, Caufield, etc.

PS you ranked Seider 6th, not 4th

 

[BluesyShoes]

No matter what you have in your system you take BPA. Hockey drafts are such a crapshoot, if you try to plan a lineup based on your picks, nothing is ever going to go as you expect it.

I never understood the strategy of drafting by positional value either. A winger or even a goalie on a NHL roster is worth 100 two way centers or RHD busts.

Passing on talent for any reason whatsoever in the draft is nonsense to me. Having a surplus of talent at a position is always a blessing and never a curse.

I think I would aim toward drafting the most valuable player, i.e. who projects to be the best asset for my team, so like what is their projected trade value, performance for cap hit, are they likely to sign long term to a good deal, a good teammate, fan favourite, sells tickets? Maybe that does just end up being the most talented player every time because all the other stuff is a crapshoot, but I think there is merit in that perspective.

 

[Michoulicious]

Moritz Seider was not even listed top 15 on any scouting services in his draft year. I had him 4th OV, Yzerman selected him 6th OV and about everyone thought it was a reach on draft day, the Wings were the big losers of that draft according to HF members, A few years later, how did it pan out?

Top RD playing huge minutes every games and shutting down the opposite top players are highly valuable and win you hockey games, something Dubass never understood as a hockey GM.

I had Caufield at #5 OA,and yet you had him at #14 OA and Turcotte at #6.

See? It's easy to pick a few players that we had ranked differently than consensus at the time to look smart a few years later and make other look bad.

(I had Turcotte at #3 lmao)

It is also totally false that Seider was "not ever top 15 and on any scouting service". He was clearly one of the Ds I coveted for the Habs (with Cam York) in that range, and was a big riser. If my memory serves me well he was like #16 on Bob's final list. Had him at #12.

Not to single you out, but I am always wary of posters that mention their good picks on their draftlists to look good afterwards but omit their failings. You are not the only one doing that, don't worry.

Reinbacher, like Seider, was a big riser in his draft year, and also a big RHD playing in a less scouted European Pro league. Was he the best pick at #5 OA? I hope so, but it is too early to tell.

 

[Guadana]

at 5th OA you take the best player as 5th OA should be better then all those players.

Its a perfect world thinking. In reality it doesn't work this way. When have some prospects in the same tier, you are drafting centers, right defebsemen, than left defensemen, than wingers. Or if you have great need.

 

[Boonk]

I personally wouldn’t have taken Reinbacher over Michkov at 5, but in any other draft thats about the range where Reinbacher would go anyways. Big RDs who can skate, defend and produce points on your top pair like that are incredibly difficult to get a hold of, probably the most difficult position to fill after your 1C.

What he did in the Swiss league was impressive. I think his World Championships were even better. He completely controlled the game from the backend for Austria and the goal scoring against them with him on the ice was quite difficult for opposing teams for their opening games. After he was injured for a few games, the whole Austrian defense completely fell apart. Coming back from injury vs Finland, he didnt miss a beat and completely locked down the Austrian defense. At 19, thats how important and impactful he is for a weak NT like Austria and hes only going to get better. Hes going to be a gem and an issue for opposing teams playing Montreal for years to come.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Hughes said if Reinbacher was a LD they may not have picked him, so in just looking at RD's, there's Willander but I haven't seen him play.

He said that Reinbacher was the best dman in the draft, if he was a LD they may have taken a forward but not another dman.

 

[montreal]

Well the defensive side of his game is really solid to start with, he has a long reach, a strong active stick, great mobility, closes gap quickly and kills alot of plays. His defending IQ is really high, displaying a high level maturity in his game. Offensively, his hands are possibly the only real area where he needs improvement to become a top notch defenseman at the NHL level, but thats still good enough and rarely put himself in trouble. His passing abilities are great, he dishes pucks really quickly, shaply and smartly, what makes him a really solid transitional player. Can make quick, short effective passes or long outlet bombs on the tape, can also skate the puck up ice since he is also a strong skater. His shot is heavy and can do alot of damage, Im expecting it to become even more of a treath as he gains more stregth and matures physically. Does he have top PP quarterback in him? Maybe, maybe not, we will see, but Ive no doubt he can at least run your 2nd PP wave down the road. Since we already have guys like Hutson, Engstrom in the system, thats not really of an issue either.

Ill PM you a link for the games viewing.

I don't know his team that well but why does at least in the 6 or 7 games i've seen so far, why don't they use him on the PK?

I'd like to see him use his size more as well, as he's got that big frame. Not saying he needs to be a Xhekaj but hope that's something he is develops more or I just haven't seen enough of him yet.

 

[Goldenhands]

As an Oilers fan I am super excited to see Broberg finally show what made you rank him above Seider, Cozens, Boldy, Zegras, Caufield, etc.

PS you ranked Seider 6th, not 4th

On my final list I had Seider 4th, Broberg around 7-8.

 

[Goldenhands]

I don't know his team that well but why does at least in the 6 or 7 games i've seen so far, why don't they use him on the PK?

I'd like to see him use his size more as well, as he's got that big frame. Not saying he needs to be a Xhekaj but hope that's something he is develops more or I just haven't seen enough of him yet.

They use him on their top PP unit, that was likely to manage his ice time, he was only 18 yrs old playing in a very good men league.

 

[Hinterland]

I don't know his team that well but why does at least in the 6 or 7 games i've seen so far, why don't they use him on the PK?

I'd like to see him use his size more as well, as he's got that big frame. Not saying he needs to be a Xhekaj but hope that's something he is develops more or I just haven't seen enough of him yet.

He didn't play PK in most games because they want him on the ice at even strength. He averaged 16:43 at even strength which is more than any of his teammates. I think it makes perfect sense. Reinbacher excels at transition from defense to offense. Also, you may not wanna expose such a young player to too much. It was Reinbacher's first NL season and he played several minutes more every game compared to last season a league lower. Can't learn everything at once.

They use him on their top PP unit, that was likely to manage his ice time, he was only 18 yrs old playing in a very good men league.

They don't. He was quarterbacking the 2nd unit.

 

[Hinterland]

Reinbacher actually played significantly more than his teammates at even strength. He played half a minute more than Steve Kellenberger and almost a minute more than Ekestahl Jonsson while everybody else was logging less than 15mins.

If he's gonna stay with Kloten, which at this point I think is still likely to happen, it's likely he's gonna get more PK time. Firstly because Montreal would likely want him to play PK and secondly, Jasper Peltonen left for Lugano, Flurin Randegger retired and Matteo Nodari's contract expired so Kloten is down three regulars on defense. Peltonen was the team's top penalty killer. Kloten does have an option to extend Nodari's contract but he's 35 and not likely to play the same kind of minutes for much longer. Also, Steve Kellenberger is 36. Personally, I think Kloten is in trouble if they don't get Reinbacher back for at least another year.

 

[montreal]

I think Kloten is in trouble if they don't get Reinbacher back for at least another year.

It sounds like they will, as I don't think the Habs will rush him like they did with Slaf.