D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[JRichard]

Surprised they talk about Habs drafting for needs when the lineup is full of 19-22 yrs old d already.

Harris 22, X-man 22, Guhle 21, Barron 21, Mailloux 20, Hutson 19, Engstrom 19 now DR 18.
Thats 8 in that group when you play 6 total

problem is weakness everywhere else: Kovacevic 25, Matheson 29, Edmunsen 30 and Savard 32.

There is a huge 23-28 gap.

Cant go to war in 3 yrs with only 21-25 yrs old guys.

 

[Tripledeke333]

No use arguing what we predict as fact. As a habs fan I just hope this kid turns into a top ten d like a Pietrangelo or mcavoy

Yeah I like Reinbecker. Seems like a great person and great prospect.

I just think you gotta go with Mitchkov in that situation.

Surprised they talk about Habs drafting for needs when the lineup is full of 19-22 yrs old d already.

Harris 22, X-man 22, Guhle 21, Barron 21, Mailloux 20, Hutson 19, Engstrom 19 now DR 18.
Thats 8 in that group when you play 6 total

problem is weakness everywhere else: Kovacevic 25, Matheson 29, Edmunsen 30 and Savard 32.

There is a huge 23-28 gap.

Cant go to war in 3 yrs with only 21-25 yrs old guys.

Yup! We have not had game breaking talent since Kovalev and we pick a Dman which we have a solid pipeline of.

 

[Hinterland]

Yeah I like Reinbecker. Seems like a great person and great prospect.

I just think you gotta go with Mitchkov in that situation.



Yup! We have not had game breaking talent since Kovalev and we pick a Dman which we have a solid pipeline of.

Maybe a decade ago Montreal would have picked Michkov. Today, you don't just pick the most talented player and pray for the best. There are lots of other deciding factors. If you don't like the player at the interview or can't even get an interview (as apparently it happened with many teams who couldn't talk to Michkov) you're just not gonna draft the guy. You wanna draft guys who fit into your identity and who wanna play for your team. Besides all of this, it seems that Montreal isn't gonna draft Russians anyway for the forseeable future.

 

[Tripledeke333]

Maybe a decade ago Montreal would have picked Michkov. Today, you don't just pick the most talented player and pray for the best. There are lots of other deciding factors. If you don't like the player at the interview or can't even get an interview (as apparently it happened with many teams who couldn't talk to Michkov) you're just not gonna draft the guy. You wanna draft guys who fit into your identity and who wanna play for your team. Besides all of this, it seems that Montreal isn't gonna draft Russians anyway for the forseeable future.

How many situations are there where a team ended up with a less talented player, and would not switch for the more talented one if given the option?

 

[japhi]

I would have been happy with Michkov, but I think fans are not understanding that the risk around him is even higher for MTL then it is for a US city like Philly. The odds of an elite Russian talent wanting to play out his career in a Canadian city that has French as a first language is low. I LOVE Montreal, but when was the last time an elite player asked to be moved to MTL, or chose MTL in FA? It is seen as an undesirable location to play for language, geography and media reasons - just look at the meltdown on social media around this pick. Yes, Markov loved paying here but the environment has changed since he was drafted.

So ya, getting the best Dman in the draft at #5 and being set up for the next decade is a good place to be. And while we don't have a guaranteed PPG talent upfront, we do have what most fans believe is a 40g guy in Caulfield, and a guy with massive upside in Slaf. Suzuki and Dach are young talents as well.

Future is very bright in MTL. passing on Michkov doesn't change that.

 

[Legend123]

Top 5 pick? HAS to be.

Guhle goes top 5 in a redraft

 

[Michoulicious]

Guhle goes top 5 in a redraft

Mmm. No.

 

[japhi]

Regarding BPA....

It's not as clean cut as people are making it out to be. They could have had Leonard and Reinbacher in a dead heat, high on both, but you take Rein because you would prefer to shore up RD. Nothing wrong with what Hughes said, at all, and all things being equal I'm glad we went RD, which after C, is the most valuable position in the game.

 

[japhi]

So because HuGo did not want to wait 3 years for a franchise forward, they decided to 6 years for for a Dman?

Why would Reinbacher take 6 years, Guhle was playing 20 mins a night last year and will play top pair this year. Reinbacher will be playing top 4 in 2 years.

 

[Legend123]

Mmm. No.

Great response lol

From his draft, only stutzle is an obvious pick before him. Raymond maybe. Sanderson is more or less in the same tier. That's perhaps 3.

Who else?

I could see arguments for perfetti lundell mercer drysdale but I'd easily go with guhle. Top 2 Ds are easily worth more than top 6 forwards (minus drsydale)

 

[Canadienna]

Regarding BPA....

It's not as clean cut as people are making it out to be. They could have had Leonard and Reinbacher in a dead heat, high on both, but you take Rein because you would prefer to shore up RD. Nothing wrong with what Hughes said, at all, and all things being equal I'm glad we went RD, which after C, is the most valuable position in the game.

The amount of times Hughes talked about tiebreakers confuses me. Russia factor will only come in for a tiebreak, positional need only comes in for tiebreak...

Obviously players will be close in projection, they're all good players, but it's his JOB to discriminate between them.

 

[japhi]

The amount of times Hughes talked about tiebreakers confuses me. Russia factor will only come in for a tiebreak, positional need only comes in for tiebreak...

Obviously players will be close in projection, they're all good players, but it's his JOB to discriminate between them.

Well ya, and he would tell you he did that job. You really think that they have these young guys stacked in a way where there is very clear separation between them? This isn't an exact science, if you have two guys that are very close, and you have an organizational need at RD - an incredibly valuable position - of course you pull the trigger there. That's good management.

 

[Michoulicious]

Great response lol

From his draft, only stutzle is an obvious pick before him. Raymond maybe. Sanderson is more or less in the same tier. That's perhaps 3.

Who else?

I could see arguments for perfetti lundell mercer drysdale but I'd easily go with guhle. Top 2 Ds are easily worth more than top 6 forwards (minus drsydale)

My top 10:

1. Stutzle
2. Sanderson
3. Mercer
4. Jarvis
5. Drysdale
6. Lundell
7. Schneider
8. Guhle
9. Quinn
10. Reichel

HM: Peterka, Faber

 

[Tripledeke333]

Why would Reinbacher take 6 years, Guhle was playing 20 mins a night last year and will play top pair this year. Reinbacher will be playing top 4 in 2 years.

I believe I responded to a post of someone saying Reinbacher will be a top pairing Dman in 6 years. Dman to take a long time to develop typically. Longer than phenom wingers at least.

 

[Canadienna]

Well ya, and he would tell you he did that job. You really think that they have these young guys stacked in a way where there is very clear separation between them? This isn't an exact science, if you have two guys that are very close, and you have an organizational need at RD - an incredibly valuable position - of course you pull the trigger there. That's good management.

I just think the discrimination should be based on their projection and asset value over their fit.

And I can't even pretend it was, as Hughes just came out and said they wouldn't have liked him as much if he shot the other way.

 

[japhi]

I just think the discrimination should be based on their projection and asset value over their fit.

And I can't even pretend it was, as Hughes just came out and said they wouldn't have liked him as much if he shot the other way.

Right, but BPA calculation is inclusive of the position a player plays. C's and RD are more valuable assets then say wingers and goalies.

 

[Legend123]

My top 10:

1. Stutzle
2. Sanderson
3. Mercer
4. Jarvis
5. Drysdale
6. Lundell
7. Schneider
8. Guhle
9. Quinn
10. Reichel

HM: Peterka, Faber

It's a terrible list

 

[Captain97]

Actually watching him, the first name that comes to mind is Pietrangelo, I find they have similar styles at draft time anyways

I've been high on Reinbacher all year. Petro is my thought as well.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Man I hope I am wrong but I just think this pick is bad.....

 

[Jeune Poulet]

So because HuGo did not want to wait 3 years for a franchise forward, they decided to 6 years for for a Dman?

Dude. It's 2023. People figured out a year ago that Michkov wasn't the unicorn prospect that some people were dreaming of. Why haven"t you?

Several teams passed on this guy because there are so many red flags around him that the risk/return ratio didn't make him attractive enough. It's not just the KHL contract. The guy is talented but is not that special.

And if all goes as planned, Reinbacher will be in the NHL in 2 years, 3 at most. Not 6.

 

[Tripledeke333]

Dude. It's 2023. People figured out a year ago that Michkov wasn't the unicorn prospect that some people were dreaming of. Why haven"t you?

Several teams passed on this guy because there are so many red flags around him that the risk/return ratio didn't make him attractive enough. It's not just the KHL contract. The guy is talented but is not that special.

And if all goes as planned, Reinbacher will be in the NHL in 2 years, 3 at most. Not 6.

So a responded to a guy who said 6 years. Regardless, the development curve for Dmen should take at least as long as Mitchkov to come over.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

So a responded to a guy who said 6 years.

It was me, I was "the guy" but you took my quote out of context. I didn't say Reinbacher would reach the league in 6 years. I said:

Reinbacher is not just a defensively-sound, safe pick. He has some great upside and could end up being a reliable top pairing D in 5-6 years.

That doesn't mean he arrives in the league in 6 years. This guy will probably be able to join in two years. Then he'll grow into a better and better D. At least, that's what I expect.

Regardless, the development curve for Dmen should take at least as long as Mitchkov to come over.

Yes. Which is why I think like you, that it would be a mistake to not draft Michkov simply because of the contract.

But for some reason, some people have built up Michkov in a way similar to what they did with Wright, as an early bloomer phenom, and still haven't caught up with reality: Michkov isn't special.

That doesnn't mean Michkov can't become a very valuable NHL player, though. But I prefer other prospects.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Dude. It's 2023. People figured out a year ago that Michkov wasn't the unicorn prospect that some people were dreaming of. Why haven"t you?

Several teams passed on this guy because there are so many red flags around him that the risk/return ratio didn't make him attractive enough. It's not just the KHL contract. The guy is talented but is not that special.

And if all goes as planned, Reinbacher will be in the NHL in 2 years, 3 at most. Not 6.

The prevailing consensus is always difficult to refute and resist: see Shane Wright. It all came down to several teams being unenthused by an undersized player who is not a dynamic skater. Briere was prepared to drink the Kool-Aid.

 

[Guess]

That's a valid point but from what I gathered, Michkov, for various reasons, has been on lots of teams do not draft list. Firstly, there's the contract situation and tied to it the mysterious death of his father. Secondly there's concerns about his work ethic and most importantly, apparently interviewing him has been either either difficult or even impossible to the point where many teams got the impression that the player has zero desire to ever sign with them.

Furthermore, I don't think Montreal has drafted any Russians since the start of the war. Whether the reason is behind that, if that's the team policy then you have to respect it. From what I heard, Montreal was never gonna draft Michkov and I don't think it's because they're questioning his talent. He got passed over by Montreal (and other teams) for the reasons I mentioned.

They just drafted some Russians in the matter rounds so the 'team policy' goes out the window

 

[Fyodorov]

It was me, I was "the guy" but you took my quote out of context. I didn't say Reinbacher would reach the league in 6 years. I said:


That doesn't mean he arrives in the league in 6 years. This guy will probably be able to join in two years. Then he'll grow into a better and better D. At least, that's what I expect.


Yes. Which is why I think like you, that it would be a mistake to not draft Michkov simply because of the contract.

But for some reason, some people have built up Michkov in a way similar to what they did with Wright, as an early bloomer phenom, and still haven't caught up with reality: Michkov isn't special.

That doesnn't mean Michkov can't become a very valuable NHL player, though. But I prefer other prospects.

"early bloomer phenom" like Wright, except he's progressing in a way that's the total opposite of Wright.

I think people can see right through all the BS narratives surrounding Michkov that you're regurgitating here.