CXLVIII - Coyotes owner Alex Meruelo had 'productive' meeting with Phoenix mayor

[gstommylee]

Which won't help the process.... my point.


This is what concerned me reading through the material, plenty of loose ends.

Like i said scottsdale will probably open themselves to a lawsuit by city of phx if they think they can stop the project by denying right of ways for street work as a result on what's being built on land that they don't own that is in the city of phx's boundaries.


City of scottdale has no authority to dictate who the state sells that land to and what gets built on. Its pretty much comes down to is mitigating the impact by the project.

 

[mouser]

Why is Phoenix going along with this? All the Coyotes posters told me that Phoenix's #1 reason for opposing the Tempe arena was that they didn't want any competition for Footprint Center, but now they are going pave the way for this arena? Makes zero sense.

A) It’s unclear right now how much the city of Phoenix is or isn’t going to support this.

B) The Coyotes new arena will be in Phoenix, not Tempe. Even if there is competition between the two arenas for events Phoenix still collects the taxes for both arenas, not splitting those event taxes with Tempe.

 

[gstommylee]

A) It’s unclear right now how much the city of Phoenix is or isn’t going to support this.

B) The Coyotes new arena will be in Phoenix, not Tempe. Even if there is competition between the two arenas for events Phoenix still collects the taxes for both arenas, not splitting those event taxes with Tempe.

With everything is 100% privately funded including infrastructure cost why would the city of phx opposite it. Its more taxes to the cities pockets especially properly tax since its gonna be privately owned land. I don't think the city can deny a 100% privately funded project from building on that land as long as the developer follows all the requirements as required in order to acquire the land through public auction if said developers win the auction in this case a sports team.

Wasn't it the city that approved the teams application to bid for the land or was that the state?

 

[Ernie]

A) It’s unclear right now how much the city of Phoenix is or isn’t going to support this.

B) The Coyotes new arena will be in Phoenix, not Tempe. Even if there is competition between the two arenas for events Phoenix still collects the taxes for both arenas, not splitting those event taxes with Tempe.

But the city owns Footprint. The tax revenues are nice I'm sure but does it really serve their interest to allow a competing arena to be built?

 

[LPHabsFan]

Like i said scottsdale will probably open themselves to a lawsuit by city of phx if they think they can stop the project by denying right of ways for street work as a result on what's being built on land that they don't own that is in the city of phx's boundaries.


City of scottdale has no authority to dictate who the state sells that land to and what gets built on. Its pretty much comes down to is mitigating the impact by the project.

Except your missing a small, somewhat insignificant detail in what you're posting. It's easy to miss though.

Here it is: The mayor never said anything along those lines. He just said that there will be no infrastructure help or work done on the Scottsdale side of things.

Not sure how that opens them up to lawsuits unless they're under some sort of obligation to do the work for agreements made with neighboring cities.

 

[mouser]

But the city owns Footprint. The tax revenues are nice I'm sure but does it really serve their interest to allow a competing arena to be built?

The city of Phoenix owns Footprint, but the Phoenix Suns operate the arena and collect most of the revenue streams.

 

[Ernie]

The city of Phoenix owns Footprint, but the Phoenix Suns operate the arena and collect most of the revenue streams.

What rent do the Suns pay for this? I can't imagine having a bunch of events siphoned off to a new arena will help the city's negotiations when the lease comes due.

What is a typical amount of tax money the city would collect for the new arena vs another type of development in that area?

 

[TheLegend]

He can’t stop them from buying the land but he can stop them from using their water and sanitation system. I don’t know the area, and I’m sort of learning this in my real estate course (have to check my notes but keep in mind I’m in PA), but if they can’t get water and sanitation from an existing municipality, they have to get a permit from the county to come up with their own. So the question is where else can they get water and sanitation from? Are they adjacent to any other municipalities? And, yes, that’s going to cost taxpayers. Also, this better not be news to anyone involved with the team or the league. Here is another example of Merulo not having good local connections. Even if it’s not land in their municipality, under no circumstances should there be opposition from the local mayor, because that means others in their circle are opposed too.

Been busy this morning and trying to wade though everything but I know I mentioned this elsewhere.

The water, sewer, etc….. is coming from Phoenix.

They went to great pains to make sure that the infrastructure originated from Phoenix.

Now you’re beginning to understand why.

As long as Meruelo keeps his P’s and Q’s straight with Phoenix, the mayor of Scottsdale can go full on Karen all he wants. Phoenix can stand on the west side of Scottsdale Road, look at him with a wry smile and tell him his city had it’s chance in 1999 to solve this whole thing and keep the revenue it would have generated, but chickened out.”

 

[aqib]

I really don't remember a case when a team was trying to get a new facility that there was this much opposition from literally every level from grassroots activists, to instructions like the airport, to elected officials.

 

[TheLegend]

Except your missing a small, somewhat insignificant detail in what you're posting. It's easy to miss though.

Here it is: The mayor never said anything along those lines. He just said that there will be no infrastructure help or work done on the Scottsdale side of things.

Not sure how that opens them up to lawsuits unless they're under some sort of obligation to do the work for agreements made with neighboring cities.

Because he already knew Phoenix was supplying it. Or he should have known.

This project stands to cost his city some of its revenue in favor of Phoenix.

He’s also up for re-election.

 

[TheLegend]

I really don't remember a case when a team was trying to get a new facility that there was this much opposition from literally every level from grassroots activists, to instructions like the airport, to elected officials.

Wecome to Arizona.

 

[BB79]

I'm going to buy the land so they can't have it

 

[gstommylee]

I'm going to buy the land so they can't have it

And you wouldn't be allowed to bid even if you had the money.

 

[Snarky Coyote]

The mayor of Scottsdale has about as much input on this process as the mayor of Salt Lake City. One thing I learned from my 53 years in Arizona is that no one in Scottsdale wants anything built anywhere. I also have learned that a politician who is up for reelection will do anything to stay in power and run to the media even if they have no control or the measures they are proposing are illegal, immoral, or unconstitutional. There are a lot of problems that could still derail this project, and I won't feel that this is resolved until they scan my ticket on opening night, but this is a nothing burger.

 

[aqib]

Brodie Brazil who is an Oakland area media guy did a video on Youtube where he read the Scottsdale mayor's entire letter. Now before people say how he doesn't know anything since he isn't from the Valley, he has been reporting on sports venue/relocation stories for a while because of the A's and he is pro-Coyotes staying.

 

[GKJ]

This has me wondering if the mayor has campaign donors who want that land.

 

[TheLegend]

This has me wondering if the mayor has campaign donors who want that land.

In this state you can’t rule anything out.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

This has me wondering if the mayor has campaign donors who want that land.

Totally possible. If Scottsdale has zero say in this crazy process, then what's the point?

 

[TheLegend]

Brodie Brazil who is an Oakland area media guy did a video on Youtube where he read the Scottsdale mayor's entire letter. Now before people say how he doesn't know anything since he isn't from the Valley, he has been reporting on sports venue/relocation stories for a while because of the A's and he is pro-Coyotes staying.

He’s not connect locally….. at all. Therefore everything he does is done from a 30.000 foot point of view.

His early videos were very bad in that respect. But he could finally be figuring out he needs to do a little more research now beforehand.

 

[awfulwaffle]

What rent do the Suns pay for this? I can't imagine having a bunch of events siphoned off to a new arena will help the city's negotiations when the lease comes due.

What is a typical amount of tax money the city would collect for the new arena vs another type of development in that area?

Everything you should know about the Suns arena deal before the Phoenix City Council votes

On Wednesday, the Phoenix City Council will decide whether to partner with the Phoenix Suns on significant upgrades to Talking Stick Resort Arena.

www.azcentral.com

• Suns will continue to pay rent to the city (calculated as a percentage of annual proceeds).

 

[Ernie]

• Suns will continue to pay rent to the city (calculated as a percentage of annual proceeds).

So Meruelo's arena peeling off events from Footprint Center would directly affect Phoenix's finances. This is puzzling.

Interesting that the Scottsdale mayor's comments sounded so personal. He's confirmed that he's been talking to Phoenix's mayor. Maybe Phoenix is just staying quiet until they drop the bomb?

Smells like Phoenix is opposed to this project and the bill in the Arizona senate is trying to bypass this.

 

[aqib]

He’s not connect locally….. at all. Therefore everything he does is done from a 30.000 foot point of view.

His early videos were very bad in that respect. But he could finally be figuring out he needs to do a little more research now beforehand.

I posted it just because he reads the entire letter and the other posts only have segments. He is actually very Pro-Arizona but again the point was just having the entire letter from the Scottsdale mayor

 

[awfulwaffle]

So Meruelo's arena peeling off events from Footprint Center would directly affect Phoenix's finances. This is puzzling.

Interesting that the Scottsdale mayor's comments sounded so personal. He's confirmed that he's been talking to Phoenix's mayor. Maybe Phoenix is just staying quiet until they drop the bomb?

Smells like Phoenix is opposed to this project and the bill in the Arizona senate is trying to bypass this.

Phoenix would probably also get revenue from the events at the new arena and district, so you aren't really sure what the actual financial impact would be.

And it's very possible that the Scottsdale mayor is shouting at the clouds because this new district could very well take business away from his city, as it's right on the border and right next to TPC Scottsdale.

 

[TheLegend]

I posted it just because he reads the entire letter and the other posts only have segments. He is actually very Pro-Arizona but again the point was just having the entire letter from the Scottsdale mayor

The letter is public. Only thing this proves is he’s got no more access than any other Joe Shmo. Only difference is he’s got a platform to bark from.

 

[oldunclehue]

I have mixed feelings on how this is going. I believe they will get the land but I think it will be complicated from there and take a good amount of time to get shovels in the ground.

The arena looks amazing and I will definitely go for a warm vacation to watch a game or two.