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CXLVIII - Coyotes owner Alex Meruelo had 'productive' meeting with Phoenix mayor

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LPHabsFan said:
Just to clarify, nobody is saying that they're not losing money. People are saying, and it makes sense when you look at things mathematically, that they are making more at Mullet than they were in Glendale.

Saying that is a far cry from saying they're profitable.
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Either one applies, whether they’re losing money or not making as much as they otherwise could be. That’s still money not made.
 
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TheLegend said:
You're looking at it from the standpoint that your team's owner didn't care from day one and that the league did everything they could.

People here are looking at this as if the league itself doesn't care. That's a whole different level of betrayal from a fan's point of view.
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Yeah, in Seattle the Sonics were stolen. "Nuclear option" and tons of fans said they were done with the NBA "forever" ... less than a year later and continuing to current all those same people, "can't wait until the Sonics are back!"
 
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gstommylee said:
Again its speculation that the team is gone no matter what happens june 27th. The NHL HAS TO wait and see what happens then but prepare in case it comes out that the owner didn't win the aunction.
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They do not have to wait. They’ve never been fully committed to the auction being tied to playing at Mullett next season. The possibility still remains, but there is nothing that says everyone has to wait for the auction. Only that if it gets to June, it would become unfeasible to complete a move. The NHL is preparing for two realities.
 
gstommylee said:
Again its speculation that the team is gone no matter what happens june 27th. The NHL HAS TO wait and see what happens then but prepare in case it comes out that the owner didn't win the aunction.
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Of course it's speculation. It's speculation because the NHL DOESN'T have to do anything.

The Coyotes have played in Mullet for two season without owning any land. The auction changes nothing if they lose. The NHL accepted Mullet as a temporary situation, and it's the owner who's on the hook, not the NHL.

Half of what's said in these threads aren't logic-based, but what people want to see happen, including the hockey media. "When is enough enough?" has been asked for 15 years, and the answer has always been "it's enough when the owner has had enough."

But you've got the same guys saying the announcement might not wait til the auction, we might hear on April 18th! Which makes even less sense.

SOMETHING has to drastically change the calculus. The NHL making an about-face is not very likely. "Bettman works for the owners" is thrown around all the time... so, he's gonna take a team from an owner? An owner he kind of recruited?

AM is not behaving like someone who's done and wants out. He's still trying to make it work, which the NHL craved for so long in Phoenix.

But expansion to SLC and ATL changes the calculus. It creates a situation where the NHL can keep the PHX owner who wants to make it work, but not suffer through Mullett for 3-5 years when the Delta Center is right there. That makes the most sense by far.
 
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TheLegend said:
You're looking at it from the standpoint that your team's owner didn't care from day one and that the league did everything they could.

People here are looking at this as if the league itself doesn't care. That's a whole different level of betrayal from a fan's point of view.
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That feeling of betrayal, in this context, would definitely be justified, but it's already proven that fans get over this stuff. There were Jets fans who said they'd never root for an NHL team. North Stars fans too. There were Giants and Dodgers fans who said they'd never root for another MLB team, only to become Mets fans. There really isn't a market that got a team back and ultimately said "nope, we're not doing this." There are always going to be holdouts, but most people will root for the new team when they get it.

But all of that is dispassionate and I'm sure Coyotes fans would not be in a place to hear it for a while if this did happen... as it should be.
 
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And sources say? Whos the sources...

KevFu said:
Of course it's speculation. It's speculation because the NHL DOESN'T have to do anything.

The Coyotes have played in Mullet for two season without owning any land. The auction changes nothing if they lose. The NHL accepted Mullet as a temporary situation, and it's the owner who's on the hook, not the NHL.

Half of what's said in these threads aren't logic-based, but what people want to see happen, including the hockey media. "When is enough enough?" has been asked for 15 years, and the answer has always been "it's enough when the owner has had enough."

But you've got the same guys saying the announcement might not wait til the auction, we might hear on April 18th! Which makes even less sense.

SOMETHING has to drastically change the calculus. The NHL making an about-face is not very likely. "Bettman works for the owners" is thrown around all the time... so, he's gonna take a team from an owner? An owner he kind of recruited?

AM is not behaving like someone who's done and wants out. He's still trying to make it work, which the NHL craved for so long in Phoenix.

But expansion to SLC and ATL changes the calculus. It creates a situation where the NHL can keep the PHX owner who wants to make it work, but not suffer through Mullett for 3-5 years when the Delta Center is right there. That makes the most sense by far.
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Frank is the kind of guy that will double down on everything that he says even if he's wrong.
 
JKG33 said:
I feel like if the NBA wanted a team in Vancouver that badly, they'd price it at a point make it happen much like the NHL did with Vegas and seems willing to do for Houston
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Every year a new expansion fee, increases.
Just like it did for, Vegas and Seattle.
Expansion fees are related to the values of one of the lower teams valuations.

They aren’t setting the price way lower just cause,
31 other owners wouldn’t approve that.
 
GKJ said:
They do not have to wait. They’ve never been fully committed to the auction being tied to playing at Mullett next season. The possibility still remains, but there is nothing that says everyone has to wait for the auction. Only that if it gets to June, it would become unfeasible to complete a move. The NHL is preparing for two realities.
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They are preparing in case the auction doesn't go in favor of the team.
 
sneakytitz said:
You do realize you're talking to a Thrashers fan right? That we are well aware that Arizona got spared by the league so we could be sacrificed? Guess when that betrayal ends? When Atlanta is announced as 33rd or 34th. Winning and success, even if that means just having a team, cures a lot of ails.
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Yes.... and do you realize Arizona got "spared" because there was alway some entity (including Glendale) who stepped up to the plate to keep them there?

Right now this is being viewed as the LEAGUE bailing despite the notion there's a guy who's been working the last four years to get a permanent solution and is about to take one last shot at it, and the league decides it can't wait two more months??
 
Reaser said:
Yeah, in Seattle the Sonics were stolen. "Nuclear option" and tons of fans said they were done with the NBA "forever" ... less than a year later and continuing to current all those same people, "can't wait until the Sonics are back!"
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And are they back??
 
gstommylee said:
They are preparing in case the auction doesn't go in favor of the team.
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They are preparing for all options. It’s crystallizing as we speak that the owners do not want this to continue at Mullett unless it absolutely has to, and the only way it absolutely has to is if the team isn’t sold before June.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
Freidman saying the same thing, where’s the smoke there could be fire.
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It’s everybody. Frank ran the report, and I’ve known Frank in the past, the way he did it early in the morning was very calculated. Everyone who is somebody is corroborating it. So if there’s someone in the media who thinks he’s wrong, they ain’t speaking up, and the time is now to do it. And if Frank is wrong, everybody is wrong. It’s a lot of people to be wrong and be just speculating or click baiting.
 
Sorry...we went from the Coyotes announcing their arena plans if they get the land...to this being leaked a week later? What am I missing here? What happened aside from the mayor getting pissed off?
 
Tawnos said:
That feeling of betrayal, in this context, would definitely be justified, but it's already proven that fans get over this stuff. There were Jets fans who said they'd never root for an NHL team. North Stars fans too. There were Giants and Dodgers fans who said they'd never root for another MLB team, only to become Mets fans. There really isn't a market that got a team back and ultimately said "nope, we're not doing this." There are always going to be holdouts, but most people will root for the new team when they get it.

But all of that is dispassionate and I'm sure Coyotes fans would not be in a place to hear it for a while if this did happen... as it should be.
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Fine.... then who are you going to get to pony up the expansion price?? Who is going to pay $1-2 billion for a market that the league itself nuked??
 
This is interesting. In the past, the NHL and team have vehemently denied a possible relocation.
The Coyotes told ESPN they have no comment on reports the team could relocate to Salt Lake City starting next season. The NHL also had no comment.
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www.espn.com

Sources: NHL plan could move Coyotes to Utah

The NHL is preparing a contingency that could relocate the Coyotes to Utah as soon as next season, sources told ESPN.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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TheLegend said:
And are they back??
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Virtually a lock like LV for an NBA team. So long as Bonderman/OVG or whatever party needs to be on board for an NBA team and being able to pay $4 billion for the expansion fee. Just using the Bucks and Suns recent sales prices of $3.5 and $4 bill valuations.
 
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TheLegend said:
Fine.... then who are you going to get to pony up the expansion price?? Who is going to pay $1-2 billion for a market that the league itself nuked??
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on top of paying a couple building dollars just for a entertainment district for the arena itself?
 
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