CXLVII - Is this the 'Final Countdown' in Arizona?

[Devils 3silverones]

Broken clock hoping to be right just once??

Twice... Broken clock is right twice.... all good lol but it does keep repeating ....

 

[TheLegend]

That's gross misconduct by the team.

Read the article a little more….

Most NHL teams do not travel with their own physicians, and road teams typically rely on a home team’s doctors for care. Every arena is required to have two trained physicians within 50 feet of the benches at all times, in addition to a dentist and/or oral surgeon in the arena. Upon exiting the ice, Valimaki was immediately greeted by a Dallas Fire & Rescue EMS team, as seen in the game video. He was examined by Stars doctors, then placed into the ambulance and taken to the hospital. At that point, Valimaki is in the medical care of the hospital, and technically no longer in the care of the Stars. Because the game was ongoing, the Stars’ doctors were required to remain onsite in case of future injury. But it remains unclear whether the Stars’ medical team called to prepare the hospital for Valimaki’s arrival, advocated on his behalf, or stopped by the hospital after the game to ensure proper treatment was being executed. Technically, none of those things is believed to be required by the protocol, and thus, there is no alleged violation. The Stars say they are participating in the league’s investigation.

More like NHL’s protocols had a hole in them.

Valimaki also stated he was fine with the how the team handled him.

 

[Shwan]

Read the article a little more….



More like NHL’s protocols had a hole in them.

Valimaki also stated he was fine with the how the team handled him.

What the part where the coyotes did everything except move him to another hospital to actually get care in a timely manner? The thing that would have required real money?

Devan McConnell, Arizona’s high performance director – remained behind in Dallas with Valimaki at the hospital while the Coyotes flew on to Columbus postgame. McConnell kept in touch with Coyotes management, advocated for him to stay at the hospital to seek care, arranged for a hotel and meals for Valimaki’s wife, and escorted the Valimakis back to Arizona after care was completed. Sources said Valimaki was pleased with Arizona’s care and actions.

If the team knew the protocol was crap nothing was stopping Meruelo him from paying the cash to get him care.

Because if there was no break in the NHL protocol, allowing a player with a severe facial injury to linger in a hospital for hours without care means the protocol is broken.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Clearly this is an ownership group flush with cash to finance a new area.

Sources: Coyotes’ Valimaki left at Dallas hospital ‘unable to function’ after puck to face Nov. 14

Valimaki had to wait more than four hours to have a severe facial wound closed with 55 stitches.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Yikes. One thing I don't miss about the Southwest is the substandard health care systems. This story is Exhibit A on that front. Hard to place blame on the team for this, however. Sounds like you don't want to go to whatever hospital he was being treated at.

 

[TheLegend]

What the part where the coyotes did everything except move him to another hospital to actually get care in a timely manner? The thing that would have required real money?



If the team knew the protocol was crap nothing was stopping Meruelo him from paying the cash to get him care.

He was in the care of the Stars’ medical staff and transported under their care until handed off to the hospital.

It was on the Stars to follow up on this since the Coyotes had no medical staff there to make that call. The Coyotes did however (as the article clearly states) have a staff member accompany Valimaki and his wife to handle the arrangements for him.

This isn’t on Meruelo as much as you’d like to make it out to be.

But the end result may end up being the league requires all teams to have a team physician travel with them at all times.

 

[Shwan]

He was in the care of the Stars’ medical staff and transported under their care until handed off to the hospital.

It was on the Stars to follow up on this since the Coyotes had no medical staff there to make that call. The Coyotes did however (as the article clearly states) have a staff member accompany Valimaki and his wife to handle the arrangements for him.

This isn’t on Meruelo as much as you’d like to make it out to be.

But the end result may end up being the league requires all teams to have a team physician travel with them at all times.

The article says you're wrong.

Valimaki was immediately greeted by a Dallas Fire & Rescue EMS team, as seen in the game video. He was examined by Stars doctors, then placed into the ambulance and taken to the hospital. At that point, Valimaki is in the medical care of the hospital, and technically no longer in the care of the Stars. Because the game was ongoing, the Stars’ doctors were required to remain onsite in case of future injury. But it remains unclear whether the Stars’ medical team called to prepare the hospital for Valimaki’s arrival, advocated on his behalf, or stopped by the hospital after the game to ensure proper treatment was being executed. Technically, none of those things is believed to be required by the protocol, and thus, there is no alleged violation.

The only NHL affiliated employee in that hospital that had any authority to advocate for Valimaki was Devan McConnell, a Coyotes employee under Meruelo.

Upon Valimaki being told he should go home his first priority would had been to find medical service for him at another hospital. Instead he told Valimaki to stay at the hospital until he could get care.

Then after another hour of waiting, his wife called the NHLPA because clearly that wasn't the right answer. THEN he received the aid.

It wasn’t until five hours later, and only after the NHLPA stepped in to assist, that Valimaki received 55 stitches in his mouth to close the wound, which included a fractured bone and the loss of three teeth.

 

[awfulwaffle]

That's gross misconduct by the team.

How exactly? It sounds like they were at the hospital and they just weren't being taken care of while AT the hospital? What exactly is the team supposed to do? I don't think anyone has the details on what actually happened when they reached the hospital. Were they just sitting in the waiting room, or were they actually in a room or moved somewhere else by an RN and waiting on a doctor/surgeon to help close it up?

Love how people here will just find anything they can to just quickly turn it around as a bad thing with no context or additional detail whatsoever.

 

[GindyDraws]

Guess who was Forbes's least valuable NHL team this year?

 

[Shwan]

What exactly is the team supposed to do?

Take your employee to another hospital so he can get care and not die? He was literally bleeding out of his cheek.

I don't think anyone has the details on what actually happened when they reached the hospital. Were they just sitting in the waiting room, or were they actually in a room or moved somewhere else by an RN and waiting on a doctor/surgeon to help close it up?

Per. The. Article.

He arrived at the hospital at approximately 9:40 p.m. By 10:00, he had received a CT scan to assess the damage, but was told by the hospital that his injury couldn’t be surgically addressed until Thursday – two days later – and was instructed to find a local hotel.

The NHLPA was contacted by Valimaki’s wife, Vilma, around 11 o’clock after he sat in the ER for an hour without care. It took until 1 o’clock in the morning before the wound and Valimaki’s face were even cleaned up. He was admitted to the hospital around 2 o’clock and the wound was closed with 55 stitches, which stopped the bleeding, and finally provided some level of comfort.

He was initially admitted to the ER, given a CT scan and discharged being told to get a hotel room. He then continued to sit in the waiting area for 3 more hours, bleeding, waiting for stitches before he was admitted to the hospital and finally treated.

A Coyotes employee sat there the entire time with him and thought that was okay.

 

[awfulwaffle]

Take your employee to another hospital so he can get care and not die? He was literally bleeding out of his cheek.



Per. The. Article.




He was initially admitted to the ER, given a CT scan and discharged being told to get a hotel room. He then continued to sit in the waiting area for 3 more hours, bleeding, waiting for stitches before he was admitted to the hospital and finally treated.

A Coyotes employee sat there the entire time with him and thought that was okay.

I'm sorry, but the "employee" is a big boy, he could have gone to another hospital if he really wanted to.

 

[Yukon Joe]

I'm sorry, but the "employee" is a big boy, he could have gone to another hospital if he really wanted to.

WTF?

You try to advocate on your own behalf when you're probably medicated, lost three teeth, need surgery and are actively bleeding from your mouth,

 

[GindyDraws]

WTF?

You try to advocate on your own behalf when you're probably medicated, lost three teeth, need surgery and are actively bleeding from your mouth,

Coyotes fans are more concerned about how it will make their favorite organization look bad for the 7 billionth time, so they get defensive and deflect blame at everything except the Coyotes.

 

[Shwan]

Välimäki, through his agent, feels he was properly supported through his ordeal by the Coyotes.

 

[Tawnos]

There’s no way that if he’d been taken to another hospital that he would’ve ended up being seen any sooner than he was while staying put. At least, not in my experience with hospitals.

 

[Stumbledore]

Just MNSHO,

Help an old guy out here. It's your honest opinion, but I can't parse the NS part of it.

 

[Shwan]

There’s no way that if he’d been taken to another hospital that he would’ve ended up being seen any sooner than he was while staying put. At least, not in my experience with hospitals.

and in my experience managing EP teams and HNWI accounts in Dallas I can assure with 2 phone calls and about $10,000 I could get a man with a busted cheek stitched up in 45 minutes.

Edit: I'll add what the article posits. Do you honestly think an NBA, MLB or NFL player would have experienced anything near this level of embarrassment?

 

[Tawnos]

and in my experience managing EP teams and HNWI accounts in Dallas I can assure with 2 phone calls and about $10,000 I could get a man with a busted cheek stitched up in 45 minutes.

Edit: I'll add what the article posits. Do you honestly think an NBA, MLB or NFL player would have experienced anything near this level of embarrassment?

I think those leagues would absolutely have experienced that and other NHL teams too. None of them would’ve been publicized.

Your hyperbole is pretty strong today though.

 

[TheLegend]

Help an old guy out here. It's your honest opinion, but I can't parse the NS part of it.

“not so”

I used this all the way back in my AOL days in the 80’s

 

[TheLegend]

Bill Armstrong commented on how Valimaki was handled…

 

[LPHabsFan]

The Coyotes didn't do anything wrong here. Even if there was a team physician there physically, unless he has privilege's at that hospital, the only thing he might have been able to do is better advocate the seriousness of the matter. At the end of the day though that may or may not have worked as it's the ER team that controls stuff.

They're probably now looking at the protocols and wondering how this happened. My guess is that in situations like this, it will become the responsibility of the local team to make sure care is received and require them to do follow ups if necessary since that doesn't seem to be part of the protocol right now.

 

[Shwan]

I think those leagues would absolutely have experienced that and other NHL teams too. None of them would’ve been publicized.

Your hyperbole is pretty strong today though.

You think the other leagues dump their players at county safety net hospitals to compete with gunshot victims?

Interesting.

 

[mouser]

He was initially admitted to the ER, given a CT scan and discharged being told to get a hotel room. He then continued to sit in the waiting area for 3 more hours, bleeding, waiting for stitches before he was admitted to the hospital and finally treated.

A Coyotes employee sat there the entire time with him and thought that was okay.

Edit: what I should have said is the article doesn’t clarify whether Valimaki was actually released from the ER and told to go to a hotel. Or whether that option was presented as an alternative to waiting.

 

[TheLegend]

Coyotes fans are more concerned about how it will make their favorite organization look bad for the 7 billionth time, so they get defensive and deflect blame at everything except the Coyotes.

Actually... we're counterpointing what obviously is someone's twisting of facts to fit some sort of narrative they feel pleases the audience here.

But if you have some actual facts pertaining to this situation that prove otherwise then by all means let's hear them. Otherwise.... sit down.

 

[TheLegend]

The article says you're wrong.

About what?? I missed a step....?? Stars medical passed off to the Dallas Fire, who then passed off to the hospital. And there in lies the issue.

Stars called for the transport. Since they were responsible for the well being of the player given that the Coyotes had no medicial personell (like many other NHL teams) you think they would follow up?

I suggested earlier that this was a hole in the protocols that the NHL and PA may want to look into (and in fact they are with the Stars cooperating)

The only NHL affiliated employee in that hospital that had any authority to advocate for Valimaki was Devan McConnell, a Coyotes employee under Meruelo.

Upon Valimaki being told he should go home his first priority would had been to find medical service for him at another hospital. Instead he told Valimaki to stay at the hospital until he could get care.

Then after another hour of waiting, his wife called the NHLPA because clearly that wasn't the right answer. THEN he received the aid.

And here you are in error. Valimaki was given the option (by a doctor at the hospital) to spend the night in a hotel and come back the next day. The Coyotes left a staff member behind to take care of the Valimakis needs and was in constant contact with the medical staff in Arizona and the team currently traveling.

Excuse the emphasis here but WE DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID TO THE VALIMAKIS.

What we DO have is a lot of presumptions being made. Both by the writer who broke the story based on "sources" who would not know either because HIPAA is in play here.... and everyone else who tries reading between the lines and decides this is just another thing from that "cheap ass owner of the Coyotes"

Rather than it be situation that exposed what appearss to be a gaping hole in the NHL protocols that needs to be looked at because it could happen to ANY team.

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[Shwan]

People aren’t admitted to or discharged from ER. You may be mixing this up with being admitted to, and or discharged from a hospital.

Uhh yeah you can be discharged from the ER? Here's an article in 2017 on how Toyota has made a color light system to get people discharged faster out of Parkland Hospital.

Like seriously could you not taken the 5 seconds to look this up yourself?

Parkland offers private ER rooms, which patients enjoy but can create a management issue because staff find them difficult to monitor, according to the article. So Toyota took advantage of existing lights outside the doors to alert clinicians of room status. For example, green means a patient is reading for discharge and purple means the room is ready for a new occupant.

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