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Coyotes’ minority owner won’t face felony charge

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"The biggest charge against [Andrew] Barroway, however, has been dropped, as he no longer faces a Class 4 felony count of second-degree assault, which with a conviction carries a presumptive prison sentence ranging from five to 16 years.

The DA’s Office filed the notice and the revised charges ahead of Barroway’s court hearing. Barroway, 57, of Scottsdale, Arizona, appeared virtually on a large screen in district court for a brief hearing that came after his previous two hearings were postponed. District Court Judge Chris Seldin acknowledged the DA Office’s decision to remand the case to county court and set Barroway’s next hearing for June 20.

The prosecution’s misdemeanor charge of third-degree assault against Barroway remains active, along with the addition of one misdemeanor count of harassment. The assault charge carries a maximum jail sentence of 18 months; the harassment charge is punishable by up to 364 days behind bars."

Source: www.aspendailynews.com/news/coyotes-minority-owner-won-t-face-felony-charge/article_093eebfa-e8c7-11ed-81f8-d3da4dff5ed4.html
 
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Do they "need" it? Or were they simply able to take advantage of the political situation? Also, that deal is far, far, far from being completed as you well know.
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Completed or not.... it's just the fact that all these years people labeling the Coyotes as THE definitive poverty franchise that they remain doing backflips to keep that narrative at the front of the line.

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TheLegend said:
Completed or not.... it's just the fact that all these years people labeling the Coyotes as THE definitive poverty franchise that they remain doing backflips to keep that narrative at the front of the line.

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The Flames - the Saddledome is kind of dumpy at this point. Now to some extent I wonder if that's intentional - try to run it into the ground in order to show how much they need a new arena. But if you've ever been to a game there you can't deny that it's old, cramped, has crappy sightlines from the upper decks.

But the Flames are still a reasonably profitable enterprise.

The Coyotes are still THE definitive poverty franchise. They're listed last in team revenue and team value. They continue to take players on LTIR in order to make it to the salary floor. I don't think this can be denied.
 
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TheLegend said:
Completed or not.... it's just the fact that all these years people labeling the Coyotes as THE definitive poverty franchise that they remain doing backflips to keep that narrative at the front of the line.

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I mean I definitely see some posters doing backflips over stupidities and I've certainly called those arguments out for being exactly that, but......there's enough evidence, albeit with some very strong logical assumptions as well, out there of what exactly you're saying and I don't even have to do a jumping back to prove.
 

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TheLegend said:
Completed or not.... it's just the fact that all these years people labeling the Coyotes as THE definitive poverty franchise that they remain doing backflips to keep that narrative at the front of the line.

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To be fair, you're probably objecting to the narrative of there being a "poverty franchise" to begin with. Because if not, you'd need to propose who contends with or outdoes them in this regard.

Also, the term is somewhat vague: "poverty" can mean "poorest" in terms of actual money, ticket sales, etc. Or it can refer to "pleading poverty," etc. etc. By the definition of the latter, I agree that pretty much every pro sports team is a poverty franchise at some point or other in its existence...even when their bottom line contradicts such a narrative.

It's been so long with Calgary that I'll believe in a new building when I see the shovels...
 
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Funny to see them now making this comparison

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They also did one on Glendale's arena.

They're driving home the point that none of the sport facilities in Arizona have been privately funded and do not pay property taxes forever. They were all built and currently operated at the taxpayer's expense. IOW.... they're fully on the taxpayer.

The arena at TED will be privately owned and operated through private funding, and while it have a property tax deferment for 30 years, once that ends it will be the only one that will be paying a property tax..
 
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To be fair, you're probably objecting to the narrative of there being a "poverty franchise" to begin with. Because if not, you'd need to propose who contends with or outdoes them in this regard.

Also, the term is somewhat vague: "poverty" can mean "poorest" in terms of actual money, ticket sales, etc. Or it can refer to "pleading poverty," etc. etc. By the definition of the latter, I agree that pretty much every pro sports team is a poverty franchise at some point or other in its existence...even when their bottom line contradicts such a narrative.

It's been so long with Calgary that I'll believe in a new building when I see the shovels...
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Not really.... I know the situation with the franchise deserves some criticism, and that they're trying to change that.

I also have no qualms with Calgary. They need a new arena. If the proposal works out as a good public/private partnership for both sides then I'm in.

Just objecting to how it's so easy for certain people to continually poke at the Coyotes no matter what they do and give these other situations a pass.
 
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To quote from the above paywalled article...

"The vast majority of nearby intersections wouldn't see any uptick in congestion during peak hours, according to the Coyotes-commissioned traffic study conducted by Scottsdale-based engineering firm CivTech."
 
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To quote from the above paywalled article...

"The vast majority of nearby intersections wouldn't see any uptick in congestion during peak hours, according to the Coyotes-commissioned traffic study conducted by Scottsdale-based engineering firm CivTech."
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Well, so the thing about pro sports is that they're hardly ever played during times that would interfere with rush hour.
 
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To quote from the above paywalled article...

"The vast majority of nearby intersections wouldn't see any uptick in congestion during peak hours, according to the Coyotes-commissioned traffic study conducted by Scottsdale-based engineering firm CivTech."
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Only read the two first paragraphs?? :laugh:

There's more quotes (and not from the Coyotes) in the article that agrees with that study.
 
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Well, so the thing about pro sports is that they're hardly ever played during times that would interfere with rush hour.
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Tempe has some intersections in the area that currently do not meet a specific criteria so some mitigation is necessary. Part of the DDA has the Coyotes sharing roughly half the costs of them getting done.

(hint: it's all in the article)
 
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TheLegend said:
Another myth busted…

Traffic issues with TED won’t be as bad as people expect….



(Yes.. paywalled.. but rather than quote snippets I’m willing to DM these AZR articles to anyone)
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North American cities and Obsession with traffic without addressing the root cause of it - name a more iconic duo, I'll wait.

I mean, I doubt this project will affect traffic compared to any other development, but literally ANY project will increase demand. Placating traffic worries with a study like this is just virtue-signaling to NIMBYS IMO.

If a city worries about traffic, then invest in better public transit. Or I guess they could try adding another highway lane. Maybe that will fix it!
 
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