CXLIX - FINAL thoughts on the Arizona Coyotes

[Shwan]

BTW... contrary to some beliefs (or wishful thinking)..... Craig Morgan is actually doing more work now at AllCity/PHNX than when he was mainly covering the Coyotes. Wouldn't even surprise me if his paycheck has grown.

Is that why everyone has bounced from PHNX and now is run by Leah Merrill and the Coyotes old Media relations guy? Sounds like they're taking in the dough

Also I thought he was only going to occasionally cover Utah what happened?

 

[TheLegend]

Is that why everyone has bounced from PHNX and now is run by Leah Merrill and the Coyotes old Media relations guy? Sounds like they're taking in the dough

Also I thought he was only going to occasionally cover Utah what happened?

Rich Nairn isn't involved with PHNX afaik.

Merrill is now in charge of content for all of PHNX Sports. Pretty hefty step up.

Morgan went up for the inaugural Utah game. But also covers the Cardinals and has churned out articles since the opening of training camp. Cardinals are the priority for him at the moment.

Steve Peters is sticking with covering hockey (ASU, High Schools (maybe) and Tucson)

 

[Shwan]

Rich Nairn isn't involved with PHNX afaik.

Merrill is now in charge of content for all of PHNX Sports. Pretty hefty step up.

Morgan went up for the inaugural Utah game. But also covers the Cardinals and has churned out articles since the opening of training camp. Cardinals are the priority for him at the moment.

Steve Peters is sticking with covering hockey (ASU, High Schools (maybe) and Tucson)

Excuse me. I gave Patrick Brown an undeserved promotion from content manager, but it seems if he still needs to work as a middle manager at Zip while also as PHNX's editor my point still stands that no one on PHNX's payroll, including Craig Morgan, is getting paid very well

(How you still blindly walk into these is a miracle I hope never ends).

 

[StreetHawk]

I could see more NBA owners coming into the league in the future. It just makes sense at this point if they have an arena. The NBA makes so much money with tv and the NHL is on the upswing having their buildings being in use for 82 days a year and taking the MLSE approach of sports assets gives them more value to show their own personal media deals or create their own streaming platforms.

Given that the next 3 markets that the NHL wants are NBA cities, ATL, Hou, AZ (even Utah that they just got to). Thus, the first expectation would be that the purchase of an NHL team would have to be by the NBA owner. Arena management agreement as they would be the primary tenant and thus have control. If they don't own the NHL club, then unlikely to see an NHL team owned by a different owner in the same arena as they are limited to just the revenue from their games. From what we currently have in the NHL, no NHL operates as a tenant to an NBA controlled arena. Only to one run by the city.

So, NHL to get into those markets are pretty much dependent on the NBA wanting an NHL team, plus pay the price that the NHL wants for it. Unless, of course, someone else wants to look into building another arena in a different county or something (which would involve other real estate) to make it viable.

 

[dj4aces]

Given that the next 3 markets that the NHL wants are NBA cities, ATL, Hou, AZ (even Utah that they just got to). Thus, the first expectation would be that the purchase of an NHL team would have to be by the NBA owner. Arena management agreement as they would be the primary tenant and thus have control. If they don't own the NHL club, then unlikely to see an NHL team owned by a different owner in the same arena as they are limited to just the revenue from their games. From what we currently have in the NHL, no NHL operates as a tenant to an NBA controlled arena. Only to one run by the city.

In HOU and PHX, yes. This thought is aided by the various arena situations in HOU and PHX, as well as the interest both Fertitta and Ishbia have shown for bringing the league in.

In ATL, no. The two main competing groups here have their proposed arena sites ~30mi north of the city for a reason. Tony Ressler, owner of the NBA's Hawks, isn't one of them. He may be one of the unnamed entities the league alluded to this past summer, as Daly told the AJC there's more than just the two seeking a franchise here. At the end of the day, it seems far more likely that the path to the NHL coming back to Georgia goes through Alpharetta, not into downtown.

 

[StreetHawk]

In HOU and PHX, yes. This thought is aided by the various arena situations in HOU and PHX, as well as the interest both Fertitta and Ishbia have shown for bringing the league in.

In ATL, no. The two main competing groups here have their proposed arena sites ~30mi north of the city for a reason. Tony Ressler, owner of the NBA's Hawks, isn't one of them. He may be one of the unnamed entities the league alluded to this past summer, as Daly told the AJC there's more than just the two seeking a franchise here. At the end of the day, it seems far more likely that the path to the NHL coming back to Georgia goes through Alpharetta, not into downtown.

Yep, outlined ATL in the 2nd paragraph. It's not a cheap venture as you are building an entire entertainment district in addiiton to the arena. So the potential owner has to have interests in real estate. Saw an interview with Mark Cuban and he said that one of the main reasons he sold the Mavs was because a lot of other owners are building up real estate around the arena and that's not his comfort zone, so best for the franchise that he sell to someone who had more interests/expertise in doing that.

NHL/NBA can share an arena. While not 100% ideal for an NBA team as their setup is more rectangular vs the NHL which is more oval shape for the seating. But, it does work much better vs MLB/NFL back in the day. MLS/NFL does work fine, but seating capacity is a massive difference with MLS only needing roughly 25K, with only a couple of exceptions like ATL/SEA who get over 40K vs the NFL's 70K. Lose that intimacy when 60% of the stadium is empty. Unless the NFL opts to build smaller stadiums and eliminate most of the upper decks to drop capacity down to 50-55K, but with Ten, Buf stadiums approved that doesn't appear to be the case in the near future.

 

[TheLegend]

Excuse me. I gave Patrick Brown an undeserved promotion from content manager, but it seems if he still needs to work as a middle manager at Zip while also as PHNX's editor my point still stands that no one on PHNX's payroll, including Craig Morgan, is getting paid very well

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(How you still blindly walk into these is a miracle I hope never ends).

Seems to me you're simply manufacturing narratives here in face of any facts.

Pretty much all you have left at this point.

 

[TheLegend]

Well......

Was just listening to the local news and it appears TED was DOA whether it was voted on or not.

And no.... it wasn't because of Alex Meruelo.

Don't see the story posted yet but......

Tempe made a major mistake when they hired a social media evaluation company "Strategy 48" early on to get an idea of what the reaction to TED would be.

Problem came when they used a closed door meeting to discuss this business with employees often company. This has been under investigation since last year (story here)......

Tempe paid $32K to track Coyotes opponents. Now the city is under state investigation

The Arizona attorney general is looking into whether Tempe tried to influence the election outcome with public funds and broke open meeting laws.

www.azcentral.com

.....and the state's Attorney General said today Tempe did violate the Arizona Open Meetings Laws.

 

[PredsHead]

Well......

Was just listening to the local news and it appears TED was DOA whether it was voted on or not.

And no.... it wasn't because of Alex Meruelo.

Don't see the story posted yet but......

Tempe made a major mistake when they hired a social media evaluation company "Strategy 48" early on to get an idea of what the reaction to TED would be.

Problem came when they used a closed door meeting to discuss this business with employees often company. This has been under investigation since last year (story here)......

Tempe paid $32K to track Coyotes opponents. Now the city is under state investigation

The Arizona attorney general is looking into whether Tempe tried to influence the election outcome with public funds and broke open meeting laws.

www.azcentral.com

.....and the state's Attorney General said today Tempe did violate the Arizona Open Meetings Laws.

This story from a couple of days ago says the state attorney general cleared the city of any wrongdoing.....
Attorney General's Office dismisses complaint of alleged influencing of Coyotes referendum

Did something change?


Edit: Also it appears there was small issue with the open meetings law, but the state cleared the city of any wrongdoing. Link to the letter the city filed about this issue: Arizona Attorney General's Office makes determination on Strategy 48 contract and reports

 

[Shwan]

Seems to me you're simply manufacturing narratives here in face of any facts.

Pretty much all you have left at this point.

Well, considering you've been wrong about every possible thing involving the Coyotes for the last 3 years and have been reduced to taking my old talking points you vehemently tried (and failed) to argue against, what does that leave you with?

 

[Shwan]

Edit: oops seems like you're wrong about being wrong here and the state cleared Tempe after all.

 

[TheLegend]

This story from a couple of days ago says the state attorney general cleared the city of any wrongdoing.....
Attorney General's Office dismisses complaint of alleged influencing of Coyotes referendum

Did something change?

Evidently not. I was listening (not watching) to the news broadcast (ABC15) and could swear the reporter the AG had ruled it a violation and outlined a laundry list of corrections they demanded.

Then Craig Morgan happened to catch up with me in PHNX's discord and pointed me to another blog article that had included Tempe's press release last Friday. Went to TEmpe's site to confirm it.

So I went back to my post above and THOUGHT I had edited it to reflect all of that (including my mistake) and it didn't take.

I frequently use 3 different devices to access HF and I will try editing something from one of them and it doesn't go though. Currently on my PC but I was on the iPhone last night, and right now I just went to check to see of it's there..... and it's showing this post I'm currently composing (and I've never seen that).

I mean.... I did spend four hours in surgery that morning getting some things repaired yesterday, but I can't think the painkillers they gave me would do that to me.

 

[Shwan]

Then Craig Morgan happened to catch up with me in PHNX's discord and pointed me to another blog article that had included Tempe's press release last Friday. Went to TEmpe's site to confirm it.

This explains A LOT

 

[TheLegend]

Edit: oops seems like you're wrong about being wrong here and the state cleared Tempe after all.

Over that last 14 years I've been on here I've altered my opinions on things many times. I'm flexible.

As I was just explaining above I tried re-editing it about an hour after I posted it to reflect that, and it didn't take.

Even tried to catch the replay of the news last night to see if they had indeed said what I originally posted.

When I'm wrong.... I WILL admit it.

But you can continue to be you.

 

[TheLegend]

This explains A LOT

About you..... definitely.

 

[Shwan]

Over that last 14 years I've been on here I've altered my opinions on things many times. I'm flexible.

When I'm wrong.... I WILL admit it.

But you can continue to be you.

Your "flexibility" is a facade, only to serve your imaginary persona as some sort of authoritarian figure.

If I were to actually want to "Cherry pick" something from f40, I think I would take the post where you say that I was right from over a year ago.

Feel free to say you were wrong at any time, like you're purporting.