CXLIV - The Tempe era set to begin as ASU opens Mullett Arena

[KevFu]

Wrong.

That’s the point.

Qc has for a decade. There’s groups in the other cities that have interest.


Or as I said QC.
A real arena, a real market, a real tv deal, real corporate support. Owners fans and supporters who actually like and watch the game.

Real dressing rooms not some f***ing empty hall with some sheets hung up.

Meanwhile Phoenix is was and always has been the team that everyone else in the league pays for.

Now you have another owner with no connection to hockey no connection to Phoenix who’s only interested in a sports book and a casino. With no arena deal, a half assed plan, and a 5000 seat arena you can’t fill in opening night.

And Again.

People in your market won’t even drive 30 minutes to a f***ing game…


Just because you drink the idiot coolaid doesn’t mean we should.

Dude, you're a biased and clueless person. I am a New Yorker, probably from your era/age group, have a Nordiques t-shirt because Quebec belongs in the NHL... But don't (poop) on other markets just because your market needs a team.

I live in the PHX metro area now. I have gone to every Islanders at Coyotes game since I've lived here... I HAVE TO TAKE THE DAY OFF FROM WORK EVERY YEAR TO GET TO THE F'ING GAME!

People in the Eastern Time Zone really do not understand the "west" (And By "West" I mean, like, half of the Central Time Zone to the Pacific ocean).

The East side of the Phoenix market isn't a 30-minute drive to Glendale.

HAMILTON is far closer to downtown Toronto than 1/3 of the PHX metro area is to Glendale. I said it before, a North Korean nuclear missile hitting downtown Phoenix while the wind is blowing east... leaves everyone in Glendale totally fine!

It's a 70-minute drive to Glendale under the BEST conditions. One car accident -- in a metro area of 6 million cars (JFC, the "Car vending machine" company started in PHX metro area) -- means you get there in second period. Every suburb of PHX is a mini-city; The ONLY REASON to ever transverse towns is EVENTS. Sports, Concerts, going to the airport, friends visiting.

 

[KevFu]

Citation required. because I can't find a single news story to corroborate your story. not a single one. I can find stories saying the very opposite saying there indeed was a QC expansion bid...and that the NHL BOG deferred it.

It's blatantly obvious that the NHL "deferred" the QC bid -- specific language; they did not deny or veto or reject the bid, they "deferred" the bid.

The NHL wants Quebec back. But they just have to make a deal work. Literally zero NHL fans outside of Ottawa or Montreal are against the Nordiques coming back. Arizona and Quebec are not opponents for one franchise. If the league thinks the money works on QC, they're going to be back. Phoenix is not an obstacle. Anyone who thinks that is just dumb. I'm not trying to insult you, it's just that every shred of evidence points to "pre-existing markets being opposed to expansion markets for a spot in the league" has zero rationale basis. If the Diques made the NHL better financially right now because of market size, TV deal, or revenue streams, they'd be in the league instantly.

The Nordiques are a franchise the NHL wants to have back. I'm pretty sure the only reason Bettman hasn't retired while clearly facing health issues is because he wants to announce Quebec back in the league come hell, high water or the shakes he clearly has, first.

Quebec is getting a team. Bettman will announce it. He will retire ridiculously soon after. And the fact that the Phoenix metro area has a team does not have goddamned f***ing thing to do with that.

 

[Devils 3silverones]

Dude, you're a biased and clueless person. I am a New Yorker, probably from your era/age group, have a Nordiques t-shirt because Quebec belongs in the NHL... But don't (poop) on other markets just because your market needs a team.

I live in the PHX metro area now. I have gone to every Islanders at Coyotes game since I've lived here... I HAVE TO TAKE THE DAY OFF FROM WORK EVERY YEAR TO GET TO THE F'ING GAME!

People in the Eastern Time Zone really do not understand the "west" (And By "West" I mean, like, half of the Central Time Zone to the Pacific ocean).

The East side of the Phoenix market isn't a 30-minute drive to Glendale.

HAMILTON is far closer to downtown Toronto than 1/3 of the PHX metro area is to Glendale. I said it before, a North Korean nuclear missile hitting downtown Phoenix while the wind is blowing east... leaves everyone in Glendale totally fine!

It's a 70-minute drive to Glendale under the BEST conditions. One car accident -- in a metro area of 6 million cars (JFC, the "Car vending machine" company started in PHX metro area) -- means you get there in second period. Every suburb of PHX is a mini-city; The ONLY REASON to ever transverse towns is EVENTS. Sports, Concerts, going to the airport, friends visiting.

I am kind of taken a back by this.
First, you've taken a day off, to get to a game, once a year, to see the Islanders play in glendale? For a 70 minute drive? ( yes 70 min back, I get it).
Awesome. (You didn't state that you do/don't attend other games).
30 minute drives? Even in the smaller cities, traffic stinks. I think the QEW is one of the busiest hwys (With ALL weather).
6 million cars travel on JFC to glendale every game night? That is horrible! If that is true, why didn't some of the 6 million cars stop IN glendale and catch a game?
Events, sports, concerts..
I digress.

None of that matters.

 

[KevFu]

As a born Winnipegger who loved the Jets 1.0 and grew up with that team I can see both sides to this thread and that some Winnipeggers would hope for failure with the move to Arizona. I for one have followed along to a degree on the Coyotes seemingly endless woes of ownership/rink/ fan issues and at one point, when we didn't have a team, it bothered me to see how much the NHL was fighting to keep that organization there.

We lost our true Winnipeg organization, the one that started here and truely felt like it was ours as a community...to a very non-traditional hockey market.

The NHL had a very clear motive in moving struggling Canadian teams south, and expanding to non-traditional markets....TV deals and potential of creating a whole new fanbase. It didn't work. The NHL provided no sense of fighting to keep the Jets. As fans I remember the news basically saying the Jets can't stay in Winnipeg without a new rink. So seeing the current set up in Arizona, approved by Bettman and the NHL, it still stings a bit.

But I for one really hope the owners, Tempe and people of Arizona can make this work. It will bring jobs, entertainment, passion and recruit players to the sport. I mean Auston Matthews....one of the best current players only started playing due to the Coyotes. So there are lots of positives.

As far as the Jets 2.0.....I couldn't care less anymore, ownership and the organization have really pushed fans away from their product. I don't want them to ever leave again, and the business model they have with all the development in the downtown area is huge. But if the recession/inflation keeps going the way it is, many folks will need to save that disposable income to pay for food, mortgages and other necessities.

I'm from the rural area and anyone I know with tickets is trying to offload them as a trip in to Winnipeg to watch a game for the family is well over $1000 by the time your done.

I really appreciate that you, as a person who loves hockey, just want others to love hockey. To me that's what it's about.

And I fully understand why the 90s made people in Canadian markets HATE the American South and Gary Bettman. BUT, I want to say for the thousandth time in like 20 years posting on this forum because I love being a part of the HF community... they key component of NHL relocation in the 90s wasn't USA vs Canada. It was TIME and Bettman not feeling comfortable in exercising the power of his office.

Bettman has said as such: He didn't feel like he could stop Minnesota, Quebec, Hartford and Winnipeg from moving. But when the Oilers were sold to Houston, he stepped up and said enough is enough. And ever since then, Bettman realized the power of his office and has prevented teams from moving if at all possible. the only team moving since was the Thrashers to Winnipeg.

Gary Bettman (and about 98% of US hockey fans) are pro-Canada franchises. There NOTHING nationalistic about the NHL.

As an Islanders fan, I legit hate every single thing about the entire Pittsburgh Penguins franchise. Maxim Talbot concussing Blake Comeau... I hate Crosby; David Volek eliminating the 1993 Pens was one of the favorite moments of my life...

The NHL said that the Penguins would have to leave Pittsburgh if the city didn't build the team a new arena. And of course that's terrible use of taxpayer dollars, but that's what leverage is. The city caved and built a new arena. Quebec and Winnipeg didn't build new arenas. Hartford and Minnesota didn't either; so those cities lost teams.

It's capitalism, not nationalism. I understand everyone who thinks Quebec should have an NHL team and sees Phoenix as an example of who shouldn't. But I also believe NO ONE should LOSE THEIR TEAM if an arena deal can be done. So let the Coyotes try for their arena deal.

The NHL would be better off with a successful Phoenix market. They haven't had that and a new Tempe Arena is a chance for it.

I've never understood why people root AGAINST Southern markets. The more the southern markets succeed, the more likely the NHL is to add teams back to traditional markets like Quebec and Winnipeg. Look at baseball. The very second their two worst "markets" get stadium deals, they're going to expand!

 

[KevFu]

I am kind of taken a back by this.
First, you've taken a day off, to get to a game, once a year, to see the Islanders play in glendale? For a 70 minute drive? ( yes 70 min back, I get it).
Awesome. (You didn't state that you do/don't attend other games).
30 minute drives? Even in the smaller cities, traffic stinks. I think the QEW is one of the busiest hwys (With ALL weather).
6 million cars travel on JFC to glendale every game night? That is horrible! If that is true, why didn't some of the 6 million cars stop IN glendale and catch a game?
Events, sports, concerts..
I digress.

None of that matters.

It is legitimately true. Does Uber exist in Canadian NHL (or potential) markets? It's $90 to the game, and like $145 after the game

there is legit a website to see my whole "North Korea nuclear arsenal" thing. I'm not waxing poetic here.

I used to 100% agree that Quebec deserved a team and Phoenix did not.... UNTIL I LIVED HERE and saw how freaking ridiculous it was to get to freaking Glendale! (Again, QC and PHX aren't competing, they should both have teams)

And now I still believe Quebec deserves a team, but also that anyone talking smack of Arizona needs to STFU, because they don't know anything. The Coyotes have never had a chance. And as someone who saw Quebec, Minnesota and Quebec lose a team for having and old arena that wasn't replaced and being an Islanders fan who saw my team just needing an new arena in a right place for 30 years... and just now getting it and jumping to #10 in franchise values...

The Coyotes deserve a chance to sink or swim in ideal conditions. If they don't get an arena deal done in Tempe, move 'em. If they get the arena done and can't be out of the bottom 5 in revenues, move 'em.

But they've never been in an actual NHL arena, in their actual metro arena, (effing) EVER.

 

[Devils 3silverones]

It is legitimately true. Does Uber exist in Canadian NHL (or potential) markets? It's $90 to the game, and like $145 after the game

there is legit a website to see my whole "North Korea nuclear arsenal" thing. I'm not waxing poetic here.

I used to 100% agree that Quebec deserved a team and Phoenix did not.... UNTIL I LIVED HERE and saw how freaking ridiculous it was to get to freaking Glendale! (Again, QC and PHX aren't competing, they should both have teams)

And now I still believe Quebec deserves a team, but also that anyone talking smack of Arizona needs to STFU, because they don't know anything. The Coyotes have never had a chance. And as someone who saw Quebec, Minnesota and Quebec lose a team for having and old arena that wasn't replaced and being an Islanders fan who saw my team just needing an new arena in a right place for 30 years... and just now getting it and jumping to #10 in franchise values...

The Coyotes deserve a chance to sink or swim in ideal conditions. If they don't get an arena deal done in Tempe, move 'em. If they get the arena done and can't be out of the bottom 5 in revenues, move 'em.

But they've never been in an actual NHL arena, in their actual metro arena, (effing) EVER.

Uber was so founded 8

It is legitimately true. Does Uber exist in Canadian NHL (or potential) markets? It's $90 to the game, and like $145 after the game

there is legit a website to see my whole "North Korea nuclear arsenal" thing. I'm not waxing poetic here.

I used to 100% agree that Quebec deserved a team and Phoenix did not.... UNTIL I LIVED HERE and saw how freaking ridiculous it was to get to freaking Glendale! (Again, QC and PHX aren't competing, they should both have teams)

And now I still believe Quebec deserves a team, but also that anyone talking smack of Arizona needs to STFU, because they don't know anything. The Coyotes have never had a chance. And as someone who saw Quebec, Minnesota and Quebec lose a team for having and old arena that wasn't replaced and being an Islanders fan who saw my team just needing an new arena in a right place for 30 years... and just now getting it and jumping to #10 in franchise values...

The Coyotes deserve a chance to sink or swim in ideal conditions. If they don't get an arena deal done in Tempe, move 'em. If they get the arena done and can't be out of the bottom 5 in revenues, move 'em.

But they've never been in an actual NHL arena, in their actual metro arena, (effing) EVER.

Uber was created by a Canadian.....

 

[KevFu]

also, I don't care where you want NHL franchises to be located, every hockey fan on the planet needs to acknowledge that @TheLegend is a goddamned boss on information on this topic of the Coyotes Arena.

I watch my local news, and what they say is clearly less informed than Legend makes himself informed. He's into every single (G-D) detail on this. And it's effing amazing. I don't have to deal with dumbass people who don't know hockey, I got the Legend. Huge fist bump to the man.

 

[Devils 3silverones]

Uber was so founded
Uber was created by a Canadian.....

also, I don't care where you want NHL franchises to be located, every hockey fan on the planet needs to acknowledge that @TheLegend is a goddamned boss on information on this topic of the Coyotes Arena.

I watch my local news, and what they say is clearly less informed than Legend makes himself informed. He's into every single (G-D) detail on this. And it's effing amazing. I don't have to deal with dumbass people who don't know hockey, I got the Legend. Huge fist bump to the man.

Do what you do. I'm happy you cheer for a team! Im not cheering for any potential coyote move.

 

[KevFu]

Uber was so founded 8
Uber was created by a Canadian.....

Right. Awesome. If it can get me to an NHL Arena in rush hour for less than $75 USD, I'm down.

My point is that every market deserves a shot; and 95% of hockey fans in the US love Canada. Most people shitting on Southern US markets are Canadians who think _____ deserve a team over _______." Tons of American fans feel that way too. Our point is, it's not nation as a factor, it's circumstance...

Melynek was a bad owner. That doesn't mean Ottawa isn't a good hockey market, it just means their owner sucked. Please provide that same consideration to US markets.

 

[Devils 3silverones]

Right. Awesome. If it can get me to an NHL Arena in rush hour for less than $75 USD, I'm down.

My point is that every market deserves a shot; and 95% of hockey fans in the US love Canada. Most people shitting on Southern US markets are Canadians who think _____ deserve a team over _______." Tons of American fans feel that way too. Our point is, it's not nation as a factor, it's circumstance...

Melynek was a bad owner. That doesn't mean Ottawa isn't a good hockey market, it just means their owner sucked. Please provide that same consideration to US markets.

Opinions are like... This thread is a bit off. Maybey start again in the morning?

 

[aqib]

Not surprisingly Joyce Clarke has some things she wants to say about the Tempe situation including throwing shade at the attendance numbers. Granted a lot of it is based on "People told me" Joyce Clark Unfiltered Joyce Clark unfiltered - Joyce Clark Unfiltered For "the rest of the story" For the rest of the story -

 

[Stumbledore]

Who's going to sit at this table all day and collect signatures? How are they going to be compensated? How are you going to train them when people ask questions? Or are you leaving the table without anyone there and then teens come by and throw out all your pamphlets or write a bunch of fake names on your list?

Who's going to do all this?

Perhaps the people who don't recognize sarcasm when it slaps them in the face.

 

[Stumbledore]

also, I don't care where you want NHL franchises to be located, every hockey fan on the planet needs to acknowledge that @TheLegend is a goddamned boss on information on this topic of the Coyotes Arena.

I watch my local news, and what they say is clearly less informed than Legend makes himself informed. He's into every single (G-D) detail on this. And it's effing amazing. I don't have to deal with dumbass people who don't know hockey, I got the Legend. Huge fist bump to the man.

I totally agree. TheLegend is the boss of information; it's easy to see why so many people have suspected him of having insider ties/employment to the Coyotes.

You do have to put up with his snippy days ("Thanks for stopping by") and if you catch him out in a mistake or a lie he pulls his Rhett Butler ("frankly, I don't care") and goes off in a sulk, BUT the man is an absolute gold mine of information. He has produced links to valid sources that I'm sure I couldn't find in 10 hours of plodding at this damn keyboard.

I would recommend TheLegend to anyone who wants to fully understand the Saga of the Coyotes Franchise.

 

[aqib]

Who's going to sit at this table all day and collect signatures? How are they going to be compensated? How are you going to train them when people ask questions? Or are you leaving the table without anyone there and then teens come by and throw out all your pamphlets or write a bunch of fake names on your list?

Its really not hard. You realize that when people are running for office in most places they have to get signatures to get on the ballot. There are companies that do this as well as seasoned volunteers that have done this before.

 

[Stumbledore]

Its really not hard. You realize that when people are running for office in most places they have to get signatures to get on the ballot. There are companies that do this as well as seasoned volunteers that have done this before.

Or you get an old guy to sit outside the library in killer heat to collect signatures.

 

[TheLegend]

Not surprisingly Joyce Clarke has some things she wants to say about the Tempe situation including throwing shade at the attendance numbers. Granted a lot of it is based on "People told me" Joyce Clark Unfiltered Joyce Clark unfiltered - Joyce Clark Unfiltered For "the rest of the story" For the rest of the story -

Joyce has her own motives to throw shade on the situation.

Case in point, at one time she wrote a blog in favor of Greg Jamison's bid to buy the Coyotes over IceArizona's. Went into great detail about it, but they both were going to cost the city virtually the same amount over the life of the deals. Although Jamison's deal used a sliding amount each year (IIRC from $11M up to $21M for one year). The one thing that stood out to her was Jamison had a clause allowing him to buy the arena from the city with five years left on the lease.

I had also heard directly from people who worked WITH her on getting her back on the council after she was beaten by Sammy Chavira, that she was getting something out of it, had the Jamison bid went through. The moment that rumor got out on social media she immediately turned on everyone involved.

Now to add to this... few people know (and I confirmed this with someone who worked with Jamison on his bid)..... while Jamison was negotiating with Glendale, he was also scouting for sites in Scottsdale to build another arena.

Jamison knew.... like most people.... that when Ellman and Moyes split their partnership separating the Coyotes from Westgate, the entire business model (for the Coyotes) was FUBAR. IceArizona knew it as well (it's why they wanted the extra $9 million/yr in their lease). The only chance of fixing it was to put Westgate and the arena back together as one entity OR..... build a new arena in a better location that the franchise would have complete control over..

 

[takimaki]

I totally agree. TheLegend is the boss of information; it's easy to see why so many people have suspected him of having insider ties/employment to the Coyotes.

You do have to put up with his snippy days ("Thanks for stopping by") and if you catch him out in a mistake or a lie he pulls his Rhett Butler ("frankly, I don't care") and goes off in a sulk, BUT the man is an absolute gold mine of information. He has produced links to valid sources that I'm sure I couldn't find in 10 hours of plodding at this damn keyboard.

I would recommend TheLegend to anyone who wants to fully understand the Saga of the Coyotes Franchise.

Honestly, if he's not employed or paid by the Coyotes in some way, he should be. He's basically holding up the entire fanbase single-handedly.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

It is legitimately true. Does Uber exist in Canadian NHL (or potential) markets? It's $90 to the game, and like $145 after the game

Aside, I was suprised to discover two weeks ago Edmonton doesn't have Lyft (does have Uber). Apparently Lyft is only in Vancouver, Ottawa, GTA.

 

[TheLegend]

While I'm at it..... if I sometimes seem "snippy" it's just after fielding 12 years worth of the same drive by posts I just would rather be blunt about it than sociable.

IMNSHO.... saying "I don't care" is a bit more palatable than "get off my damn lawn."

I can also say I don't want to see another Westgate, and I still haven't decided if this proposal is going to to be a good thing or bad.

 

[aqib]

Joyce has her own motives to throw shade on the situation.

Case in point, at one time she wrote a blog in favor of Greg Jamison's bid to buy the Coyotes over IceArizona's. Went into great detail about it, but they both were going to cost the city virtually the same amount over the life of the deals. Although Jamison's deal used a sliding amount each year (IIRC from $11M up to $21M for one year). The one thing that stood out to her was Jamison had a clause allowing him to buy the arena from the city with five years left on the lease.

I had also heard directly from people who worked WITH her on getting her back on the council after she was beaten by Sammy Chavira, that she was getting something out of it, had the Jamison bid went through. The moment that rumor got out on social media she immediately turned on everyone involved.

Now to add to this... few people know (and I confirmed this with someone who worked with Jamison on his bid)..... while Jamison was negotiating with Glendale, he was also scouting for sites in Scottsdale to build another arena.

Jamison knew.... like most people.... that when Ellman and Moyes split their partnership separating the Coyotes from Westgate, the entire business model (for the Coyotes) was FUBAR. IceArizona knew it as well (it's why they wanted the extra $9 million/yr in their lease). The only chance of fixing it was to put Westgate and the arena back together as one entity OR..... build a new arena in a better location that the franchise would have complete control over..

I know there are a bunch of issues with Clarke. I didn't post it as an endorsement, it was just funny to me that she basically made the Coyotes her hill to die on and now trashes them at every turn.

Joyce has her own motives to throw shade on the situation.

Case in point, at one time she wrote a blog in favor of Greg Jamison's bid to buy the Coyotes over IceArizona's. Went into great detail about it, but they both were going to cost the city virtually the same amount over the life of the deals. Although Jamison's deal used a sliding amount each year (IIRC from $11M up to $21M for one year). The one thing that stood out to her was Jamison had a clause allowing him to buy the arena from the city with five years left on the lease.

I had also heard directly from people who worked WITH her on getting her back on the council after she was beaten by Sammy Chavira, that she was getting something out of it, had the Jamison bid went through. The moment that rumor got out on social media she immediately turned on everyone involved.

Now to add to this... few people know (and I confirmed this with someone who worked with Jamison on his bid)..... while Jamison was negotiating with Glendale, he was also scouting for sites in Scottsdale to build another arena.

Jamison knew.... like most people.... that when Ellman and Moyes split their partnership separating the Coyotes from Westgate, the entire business model (for the Coyotes) was FUBAR. IceArizona knew it as well (it's why they wanted the extra $9 million/yr in their lease). The only chance of fixing it was to put Westgate and the arena back together as one entity OR..... build a new arena in a better location that the franchise would have complete control over..

Oh when I posted that article it wasn't an endorsement, I just found it funny that she made the Coyotes her hill to die on when running for reelection in 2012 and now she can't stop trashing them.

It is funny that Jamison went so far down the road and was planning to build another arena when he didn't have money to close the Coyotes acquisition.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

I totally agree. TheLegend is the boss of information; it's easy to see why so many people have suspected him of having insider ties/employment to the Coyotes.

You do have to put up with his snippy days ("Thanks for stopping by") and if you catch him out in a mistake or a lie he pulls his Rhett Butler ("frankly, I don't care") and goes off in a sulk, BUT the man is an absolute gold mine of information. He has produced links to valid sources that I'm sure I couldn't find in 10 hours of plodding at this damn keyboard.

I would recommend TheLegend to anyone who wants to fully understand the Saga of the Coyotes Franchise.

To be fair, the volume of people bent on his and my destruction (as in they literally don't want us to exist; don't know how else you phrase it) that come through here is pretty breathtaking. It does get old.

....it's fun to be a sponsor and see which of those people are snooping around in here - there was one just minutes ago in fact.

 

[TheLegend]

I know there are a bunch of issues with Clarke. I didn't post it as an endorsement, it was just funny to me that she basically made the Coyotes her hill to die on and now trashes them at every turn.


Oh when I posted that article it wasn't an endorsement, I just found it funny that she made the Coyotes her hill to die on when running for reelection in 2012 and now she can't stop trashing them.

It is funny that Jamison went so far down the road and was planning to build another arena when he didn't have money to close the Coyotes acquisition.

Jamison had an approved MOU for a lease from Glendale.

The NHL rejected the sale because they felt Jamison did not have a single partner in the group with a large enough share.

That cost Glendale one of the $25 million “insurance policies”. Which probably did not go over well with Joyce.

FUN FACT: Some if not all of IceArizona was in Jamison’s group at the time. Afterwards they went out and found George Gosbee who did have enough funds to be a majority partner and satisfy the NHL.

 

[aqib]

Or you get an old guy to sit outside the library in killer heat to collect signatures.

That's one extreme. However, in this case you've got the airport opposing this development, so you'll probably have a better funded opposition.

 

[Yukon Joe]

The Nordiques are a franchise the NHL wants to have back. I'm pretty sure the only reason Bettman hasn't retired while clearly facing health issues is because he wants to announce Quebec back in the league come hell, high water or the shakes he clearly has, first.

Quebec is getting a team. Bettman will announce it. He will retire ridiculously soon after. And the fact that the Phoenix metro area has a team does not have goddamned f***ing thing to do with that.

Love your enthusiasm for a QC franchise, but I can't agree with this take.

The NHL neither loves, nor hates, the idea of a QC franchise. It always comes down to the money.

Quebec City was the victim of unfortunate timing. When PKP / Quebecor started talking with the NHL about an expansion team in 2011 the Canadian dollar was at par with the US dollar. When construction of the Centre Videotron in 2012 the dollar was still roughly at par. But by the time the expansion application was made it was down to $0.75.

The league "deferred" the application because after encouraging Quebec City to build a new arena they didn't want to appear rude, but I think it's clear what happened: Quebecor/PKP couldn't afford the $500 mil expansion fee.

I think the situation now is the same as it's always been. If someone is willing to write a honking big cheque to the league Quebec City will have a team. Alternatively if the league is forced to relocate a team (ala Atlanta) then Quebec City will have a team. But absent either of those scenarios happening the NHL is under no compulsion to go back to QC.

 

[TheLegend]

Tempe city council tonight approved the resolution 7-0 to hold the special election in May of ‘23.