CXLIII - UPDATED 6/3 - Coyotes arena deal takes next step after Tempe council votes to open negotiations

[mouser]

For those wondering how the Coyotes would come out with ASU hockey taking up a lot of weekends… schedule was released today.

It includes 6 Friday, 4 Saturday and 9 Sunday games. Or about half what they normally would have at GRA.

The front third of the schedule is brutal. Six road games followed by four home games (in October) and a 15 game road trip after that. Not anything that wasn’t expected though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Yotes had 7 Friday, 11 Saturday and 2 Sunday games at GRA last season? A total of 20 games at GRA vs 19 at the ASU arena.

What we're seeing is a shift from Saturday games at GRA to Sunday games at ASU.

 

[TheLegend]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Yotes had 7 Friday, 11 Saturday and 2 Sunday games at GRA last season? A total of 20 games at GRA vs 19 at the ASU arena.

What we're seeing is a shift from Saturday games at GRA to Sunday games at ASU.

Ack!! You’re correct.

I was doing some quick adding in my head in that post and messed up the ratio of total weekend games.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Well... I might try to go to the 3/18 Hawks game to take advantage of some Cactus League games.

I'm sure that those'll be the most expensive tickets of the season for the Yotes, too. A Saturday March game versus Chicago? Woof... So, potentially you're welcome, Muruelo/person I buy the tickets off of secondhand.

 

[KevFu]

What we're seeing is a shift from Saturday games at GRA to Sunday games at ASU.

Oh no! Only like 5000 people are going to be able to go!

 

[Spydey629]

Which, incidentally, is how college football works in the south in all those 100,000 seat stadiums we have. No one lives in Gainesville, Auburn, Tuscaloosa, Clemson, etc....for those 6-7 weekends every fall the alumni drive from all over their state to attend.

Happens up north, too. State College becomes the third largest city in PA seven Saturdays a year.

 

[TheLegend]

Small update..

 

[TheLegend]

 

[TheLegend]

From Wyshynski... (in reference to tweet above)

Coyotes expect ASU arena to make similar money

Coyotes president Xavier Gutierrez said the team expects its temporary ASU arena to generate the same amount of revenue "if not better" than its old Glendale one.

www.espn.com

Footnotes:

- Hoping to have a decision by Labor Day.
- Long road trips early in season were by design to give a least a few home games early but want the annex completed before really hitting the home schedule.
- 2/3rd of the seats are sold.
-Number of ASU student tickets reduced slightly.
- NHL currently working out camera/lighting locations so final seating capacity lingering between 4700-4800.

AND

- There is a Plan B and Plan C.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

AND

- There is a Plan B and Plan C.

...To stay in Arizona?

 

[PhillyWings]

From Wyshynski... (in reference to tweet above)

Coyotes expect ASU arena to make similar money

Coyotes president Xavier Gutierrez said the team expects its temporary ASU arena to generate the same amount of revenue "if not better" than its old Glendale one.

www.espn.com

Footnotes:

- Hoping to have a decision by Labor Day.
- Long road trips early in season were by design to give a least a few home games early but want the annex completed before really hitting the home schedule.
- 2/3rd of the seats are sold.
-Number of ASU student tickets reduced slightly.
- NHL currently working out camera/lighting locations so final seating capacity lingering between 4700-4800.

AND

- There is a Plan B and Plan C.

Lets just go through the entire alphabet while we are at it.

 

[aqib]

There really wasn't a lot of stadiums being built from like 1980-1993 (which coincided with the S&L thing; but also because of how many were built in the late 60s/early 70s).

Every sports league is going to go through the exact same thing that happened in the 90s with relocation rumors in the next decade, because leases are 30 years long and all the arenas/stadiums that opened in the 90s (most of which are perfectly fine!) are going to have their teams reach the end of their lease and look for handouts.

I think the fact that so many were built in the last 60s early 70s negated the need for new stadiums during the 80s. Between 75-95 (Jags being added you had 2 new stadiums (Hoosier Dome and Joe Robbie in Miami). You had 13 new NFL stadiums between 98-03 (40% of the lleague) and only 9 in the ensuing 17 year stretch. Expect another boom in about 5 years.

 

[Stumbledore]

I think the fact that so many were built in the last 60s early 70s negated the need for new stadiums during the 80s. Between 75-95 (Jags being added you had 2 new stadiums (Hoosier Dome and Joe Robbie in Miami). You had 13 new NFL stadiums between 98-03 (40% of the lleague) and only 9 in the ensuing 17 year stretch. Expect another boom in about 5 years.

I'd venture that the world's economy, politics and pandemics might have an impact on what we should expect to be built in about 5 years.

 

[KevFu]

I think the fact that so many were built in the last 60s early 70s negated the need for new stadiums during the 80s. Between 75-95 (Jags being added you had 2 new stadiums (Hoosier Dome and Joe Robbie in Miami). You had 13 new NFL stadiums between 98-03 (40% of the lleague) and only 9 in the ensuing 17 year stretch. Expect another boom in about 5 years.

Yeah, that was my point... Practically the entire NHL got a new arena in the mid/late 90s. (Partly because 11 markets got NHL teams via expansion/relocation).

21 NHL arenas opened between 1993-2001. Which means that 20 teams are going to have their leases expire between 2023-2031. And when leases expire, teams want brand new state of the art things for free.

 

[aqib]

Yeah, that was my point... Practically the entire NHL got a new arena in the mid/late 90s. (Partly because 11 markets got NHL teams via expansion/relocation).

21 NHL arenas opened between 1993-2001. Which means that 20 teams are going to have their leases expire between 2023-2031. And when leases expire, teams want brand new state of the art things for free.

A lot of the arenas built during that time already got extensions. The Predators signed a 30 year extension, the Wild extended to 2035, Ducks extended to 2048, Sharks to 2040, Lightning to 2037, and Nuggets to 2040. Most of the others built around that time (St Louis, Chicago, Boston) are owned by the teams and they have had upgrades recently. Buffalo is still an unknown since their lease is up in 3 years but the owners just got a billion dollars for the Bills stadium so they probably aren't in position to ask for a new arena. Florida is a wild card. They have an out in a year and the least expires in 2028.

 

[KevFu]

Good intel. The Ducks one surprised me. I haven't been there in a decade, but I was definitely not impressed with that venue and thought for sure they'd be the next relocation rumor.

 

[sh724]

A lot of the arenas built during that time already got extensions. The Predators signed a 30 year extension, the Wild extended to 2035, Ducks extended to 2048, Sharks to 2040, Lightning to 2037, and Nuggets to 2040. Most of the others built around that time (St Louis, Chicago, Boston) are owned by the teams and they have had upgrades recently. Buffalo is still an unknown since their lease is up in 3 years but the owners just got a billion dollars for the Bills stadium so they probably aren't in position to ask for a new arena. Florida is a wild card. They have an out in a year and the least expires in 2028.

STL is NOT owned by the team it is owned by the city. The Blues have an arena management contract and run everything to do with the arena but they do not own it.

 

[aqib]

STL is NOT owned by the team it is owned by the city. The Blues have an arena management contract and run everything to do with the arena but they do not own it.

ok I misread back when they were bought. I thought it said that they bought the arena but maybe it was the adjacent opera house?

 

[sh724]

ok I misread back when they were bought. I thought it said that they bought the arena but maybe it was the adjacent opera house?

Correct, the group that owns the Blues also owns Stifel Theatre

 

[aqib]

Correct, the group that owns the Blues also owns Stifel Theatre

OK that's what I was thinking of. My bad.

 

[TheLegend]

For those actually interested.

Per Tempe councilman Randy Keating yesterday in a local GoPHNX podcast.....

The Coyotes (and or city staff) are expected to report back to the council by the next council meeting on August 18th to address the concerns that individual council members had with the proposal.

The hope is to have this concluded before the holidays. End of October being optimum.

 

[Digital Kid]

2/3rds of 4700-4800 seats are sold?
So 3,200 season tickets?
We're in Oakland Seals, Cleveland Barons, Kansas City Scouts territory here aren't we?

 

[GindyDraws]

2/3rds of 4700-4800 seats are sold?
So 3,200 season tickets?
We're in Oakland Seals, Cleveland Barons, Kansas City Scouts territory here aren't we?

How the hell do you not sell out a tiny venue like this?

Unless they're charging them at a premium, ala "LA Chargers at Dignity Health", I'm just amazed.

 

[aqib]

2/3rds of 4700-4800 seats are sold?
So 3,200 season tickets?
We're in Oakland Seals, Cleveland Barons, Kansas City Scouts territory here aren't we?

Maybe they capped the season tickets so there would be some individual seats available?

 

[TheLegend]

Maybe they capped the season tickets so there would be some individual seats available?

That’s been the explanation from Gutierrez.

IIRC…. There were originally 500 seats held back for ASU students. That number has since been paired down to around 300.

Then there’s the walk up customer to consider. There’s a lot of transplants in Arizona who went to games in Glendale when their home teams came in. Gutierrez mentioned they were holding about 5-600 seats for that.

They’ve definitely got a juggling act on their hands. Some past STM were upper bowl customers who can’t afford paying lower bowl prices. Coyotes are looking at alternatives for them (watch parties, or partial plans, etc) to keep them involved.

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

TIL 1500 - 900 =Sold out in Arizona. This is a mess.