Why not? It immediately becomes unique and the visiting team will be able to justify staying in Scottsdale. Literally no player will give a shit about this. It's a net positive for everything but revenue, which the Coyotes don't pay much into to begin with.
CXLI - UPDATE 1/27 - Coyotes working on deal to play at 5,000-seat arena at ASU
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Why not? It immediately becomes unique and the visiting team will be able to justify staying in Scottsdale. Literally no player will give a shit about this. It's a net positive for everything but revenue, which the Coyotes don't pay much into to begin with.
I don't see how the union can legally prevent a team from using what ever arena it wants. they can't just "not play" that would be a violation of the CBA.
Well that was the whole discussion. They are looking at the amenities.
the CBA provides standards for gyms. Stall sizes etc.
Friedman basically said they are going to try to pressure but as long as the rinks meet the standards there isn’t a lot they can do they figure
huh? If the question is where do they think they will play? Then there are multiple arenas that meet NHL standards that aren’t a 5 k arena.
Quebec. Hamilton. There are about 30 minor junior teams rinks that are bigger in ontario.
Oh sure the union is gonna force the NHL to relocate the team. No players union has that authority to dictate where teams can play and not play at market wise.
Again. That’s probably how it ends up according to friedman.
1.) it is the team’s responsibility to provide an agreed upon working environment
What do you think. If ASU fell through. What they would play where? Are
There any standards in your mind or can they be forced to play in someone’s backyard?
2.) professional teams move all the time. They literally just played playoffs in a bubble. The raptors and jays moved to Buffalo and tampa.
It’s not like this doesn’t happen.
why should players be forced to pay extra escrow because Arizona plays in can? Will the owners adjust revenue?
why should road team players have to have sun standard amenities ina. 5 billion league?
Arizona seems to think the league just has to serve them.
TheLegend
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ASU’s team locker room is modeled after Tampa Bay’s.
Some have the notion this is some high school facility and it’s not.
Still… NCAA rules prohibit the Coyotes from using those facilities so Meruelo would have to build his own. ASU’s statement hints that they would benefit from such enhancements.
So one could presume Meruelo could build what he needs right onto the new arena and then ASU would get them once the Yotes move over to their new arena.
Presuming it gets done.
NHL doesn't have the authority to force the a team to move to a different market with out the owner agreeing to it. They would have to take away the franchise from him and again they can't just do that as they seem fit.
They probably can take it away if they work hard enough, I'm sure there's many many many legal things that would get them out, especially with AM embarrassment on the arena rent payment AKA making the league look bad/degrading value.
The ASU facility will be beautiful/State of the art I'm 100% sure, but it's still "bush league".
I also still think this won't be just a 3-4 year thing, I bet you it goes 6-10 years. Imagine them playing in a 5K arena for like 8 years. Gary absolutely will not give in if he agrees to the small arena, he's doubling down on his commitment (to AZ) at any costs.
This also F's anyone else trying to get public funds for an arena like Calgary for example... "one of your teams in a large market play in a 5K arena", Which is great, I'm not overly for public funds, I don't mind tax breaks and things like that. But Gary's strong arm is essentially gone forever, but I'm sure he's closer to the end of his career then the start, so I'm betting once this AZ arena is done, he retires.
which is possible. The argument was simply
1.) players are mad. Don’t want to play in a 5K arena. Don’t want to lose more money to escrow
2.) there are specific gyms requirements etc for the road team. They are going to look and try to find loopholes.
3.) if it meets standards there is probably not a ton they can do.
but players are mad.
they also don’t have the authority to void the CBA and have players play in substandard arenas.
that’s the point. IF the players Can find it’s not up to code they have to get it there. Whether it is
Pay for upgrades or move to an arena that does.
IF it meets the standards. There is probably nothing the players can do.
but they aren’t happy about it. Which was the original point. People seem to think they want to play in a shoebox. Which isn’t true according to freidman. And like any form of common sense
TheLegend
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Good points. In the respect they (player) need to stand up for themselves.
But in the end Meruelo is probably going to get hit harder than all the players… combined.
The price for stabilizing this franchise has been climbing each year since 2009. Frankly, I’m curious as to how he’s going to pull it off at this point.
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Another way to look at this:
2nd smallest NFL stadium at that time: 61,000 (Soldier Field). Stubhub seating was 30,000 with additional temporary seating. So about 50% of the second smallest.
2nd smallest NHL arena next year: 16,514 (Prudential Center). ASU arena will be somewhere between 20% and 33% of the second smallest.
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If locker room and medical facility is up to standards why would players care how many butts the arena can sit?
The reason the Whalers deal to stay in Hartford fell apart was the losses that would have occurred while the new arena was being built. These would dwarf those. Last year I asked why the teams that weren't allowed fans didn't just play in their practice facilities. People said they needed to be in the arenas for TV cameras etc. So how would this work?
1.) because they care about fans in a building
2.) because they owe the owners money and are getting escrow. If you only have 5 k in a building for 41 games that’s millions of losses. Even if they already are a poor team
leafs make 3.5 million per home game. Ottawa gets 600’k. If Arizona gets what 400-500k? Now.
Cut that in half minimum. Costs the league a lot of money. And costs the players in escrow
BKIslandersFan
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One team that is losing millions in revenue.
this is literally what players are saying
multiple canadian market players are complaining about the low crowds and restrictions. Faulk came out and said it.
Lots of insiders have said that players are not wanting to come to Canada due to empty building and restrictions.
this is factual. Players complained about the bubble. They don’t want to play in front of small crowds in tiny buildings.
If it’s one team out of 32. The owners will cover the projected losses in escrow right?
Players are mad. They don’t want it and are taking to the PA. This is reported.
it’s not about what we think it’s about what they think.
And they don’t seem to like it.
BKIslandersFan
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????? it was literally covered on the 32 thoughts podcast.
Marchand is openly tweeting about escrow and the Arizona market.
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One could argue that while their revenue potential is much more limited in a 5000 seats arena than in a 18000+ seats arena (GRA), their expenses are also much lower. One of the highest costs is labor, you probably need close to 1000 personel for each game in a 18000 multi stories arena. I would guess you can handle a 5000 seats arena with a staff of 2-300 or so.
And I haven't seen this mentioned, but everyone knows that smaller arenas are better for the ''ambience''. If Coyotes manage to have the barn full night-in, night-out, they could easily at least compete with most barns for the ambience.
It’s not about what we think. It’s about what the players think. Friedman is reporting players aren’t happy and want to block it. But probably can’t.
they believe it will cost money and it’s bush league basically
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