Post-Game Talk: Curtain Call | Jets close out the season with a 4-2 loss to Montreal

[cbcwpg]

At least I got to see two Habs fans escorted out by security and having people chant..na na na na hey hey goodbye.

14 teams don't make the playoffs and we are just one of them at this time. Unless there are some serious improvements though, IMO we will be another one next season as well.

Year 1 - the move
Year 2 - the lockout

The free pass is over. Real changes need to be made. Sorry for the rant... Still an entertaining and enjoyable season, just expecting more going forward...

 

[sipowicz]

not sure if you saw it but he also mentioned in a later segment Pavs needing to ease up on the soft goals

That too, no I heard that, there are a few guys in here who jump on me when I correctly point out that Pav's is still too prone to multiple bad goals every game.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I think you need to look at the big picture. Hopefully you get a good night sleep, wake up in the morning and have a different perspective of what happened in the 3rd period. The players weren't the only ones that booked the 3rd off. So did the fans. It was pretty damn quite in the 3rd, even before the Habs tied it up.

This.

I was saying this at the game, if the Jets weren't told the OOT scores during the intermission, they certainly could've discerned them from the crowd and overall atmosphere in the 3rd. Heck, even Jay Richardson (don't be a stranger man, post here more often!) sounded deflated when he introduced them in the 3rd.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Funny thing I've noticed to be notably absent from any criticisms of Chevy: alternative suggestions.

I realize it's too bad he didn't plant that 60 point C tree in his backyard, so failing that, are there other moves you would've like to see?

I'm being a smartass, obviously. But I'm being genuine when I say this, I'd like to know what would've been desirable alternatives. Sign Parenteau instead of Jokinen? Trade Buff?

I listed off a bunch at the deadline. Could have got improved the top 6 without giving up much of anything: Jussi Jokinen for free, Derek Roy (2nd), Blake Comeau (5th). Could have made a bigger splash, going after Cammalleri or Statsny....might have cost too much. Alternatively, he could have traded Hainsey or Antro at the deadline and maintained the build through the draft strategy. He did zip, and it looks like that was the worst thing he could've done.

As for trades, I would be interested to see what Enstrom would fetch on the market, given that our winning percentage is .670 without him in the lineup and .476 with. Not saying he's the cause - just that he's a great asset that we can get by without - especially when we have gaping holes up front. Im in the minority but I would be in favour for an Enstrom for Wayne Simmonds type of deal.

 

[bazaaa*]

14 teams don't make the playoffs and we are just one of them at this time. Unless there are some serious improvements though, IMO we will be another one next season as well.

If you think about it, it's kinda pathetic. 16 teams make the playoffs. In baseball, it used to be eight of 30 make the playoffs, you had to be really good to make the playoffs. For hockey, you have to be average. You don't need to be really good, you just need to be average, middle of the pack. It's kinda sad that we can't even be the 16th best team in the league, and making the playoffs is such a big prize.

 

[meedle]

not sure if you saw it but he also mentioned in a later segment Pavs needing to ease up on the soft goals

This is the biggest issue. Until the jets play better defense, we will be going nowhere.

 

[Lynk]

Ah hindsight, thou art a heartless *****.

 

[sipowicz]

I listed off a bunch at the deadline. Could have got improved the top 6 without giving up much of anything: Jussi Jokinen for free, Derek Roy (2nd), Blake Comeau (5th). Could have made a bigger splash, going after Cammalleri or Statsny....might have cost too much. Alternatively, he could have traded Hainsey or Antro at the deadline and maintained the build through the draft strategy. He did zip, and it looks like that was the worst thing he could've done.

As for trades, I would be interested to see what Enstrom would fetch on the market, given that our winning percentage is .670 without him in the lineup and .476 with. Not saying he's the cause - just that he's a great asset that we can get by without - especially when we have gaping holes up front. Im in the minority but I would be in favour for an Enstrom for Wayne Simmonds type of deal.

Hold on Surge, wait for the shat storm that will follow that comment, in two seasons of watching Enstrom and the Jets can't really say Enstrom makes the team that much better, sure he is pretty good but for whatever reason the team always plays worse with him in the line-up. If you can acquire a top six for Enstrom you do it.

 

[DominikPavelec]

This is the biggest issue. Until the jets play better defense, we will be going nowhere.

I agree. -12 goal differential (I think, I don't know) isn't going to get you far most years. The thing I like about our situation is that all we need is tweaking, we don't need big overhauls. Tweaks to our secondary scoring and tweaks to defense and we're looking pretty good. The future is bright for this team.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

He has a tough job? What are you kidding? Ya no kidding it's an NHL job. He's well compensated and vetted to do this. I also want to say that a lot of the things you posted as positives aren't that great. Trouba as I said was great. Pavelec for instance wasn't properly vetted and had a DUI and had a very mediocre year. Mark hasn't yet played in the NHL and we can't say that it was a good move. Theres still hope and I hope he does well (Hell im driving to Barrie from Toronto to see the game with my cousins) but until he has an impact he was a mistake when you consider Hamilton was on the board. Jokinen... are you kidding?

Wait, were you being sarcastic? If so I apologize lol.

Haha....it was totally sarcastic. A Pejorative Slured squirrel could make the moves I listed. Chevy has not improved this club one iota, IMO.

 

[Vapour Trails]

At least I got to see two Habs fans escorted out by security and having people chant..na na na na hey hey goodbye.

14 teams don't make the playoffs and we are just one of them at this time. Unless there are some serious improvements though, IMO we will be another one next season as well.

Year 1 - the move
Year 2 - the lockout

The free pass is over. Real changes need to be made. Sorry for the rant... Still an entertaining and enjoyable season, just expecting more going forward...

I concur. I think showering the Jets with praise for being a middling team is sending the wrong message. Just being happy to have a team is very 2011.

I'm sure I'll get some disagreement, but Pavelec is an average NHL goalie in my opinion. You can't blame the defense for two fluttering pucks falling over him tonight. He was not particularly strong in the last stretch of 4 games.

 

[Stej]

I expect it will be strangely comforting in 2 weeks when the number of playoff teams drops from 16 to 8.

 

[DominikPavelec]

I'm sure I'll get some disagreement, but Pavelec is an average NHL goalie in my opinion. You can't blame the defense for two fluttering pucks falling over him tonight. He was not particularly strong in the last stretch of 4 games.

For goodness sakes. The team knew it was over in the 3rd, the whole team played like crap in that period. I see nobody crapping on Hainsey for his bonehead play in the 2nd Canadiens goal, and that mattered.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

I listed off a bunch at the deadline. Could have got improved the top 6 without giving up much of anything: Jussi Jokinen for free, Derek Roy (2nd), Blake Comeau (5th). Could have made a bigger splash, going after Cammalleri or Statsny....might have cost too much. Alternatively, he could have traded Hainsey or Antro at the deadline and maintained the build through the draft strategy. He did zip, and it looks like that was the worst thing he could've done.

Canes don't move Jossi to to Winnipeg - they were still in hunt for SE title

also not giving up a ~ Redmond and a 2nd for a rental like Roy who'll be asking too much in weak UFA market

I guess Comeau might have helped

 

[White Out 403*]

I concur. I think showering the Jets with praise for being a middling team is sending the wrong message. Just being happy to have a team is very 2011.

I'm sure I'll get some disagreement, but Pavelec is an average NHL goalie in my opinion. You can't blame the defense for two fluttering pucks falling over him tonight. He was not particularly strong in the last stretch of 4 games.

For goodness sakes. The team knew it was over in the 3rd, the whole team played like crap in that period. I see nobody crapping on Hainsey for his bonehead play in the 2nd Canadiens goal, and that mattered.

ya I'm as big a critic of pavelec you're going to find and even I wont blame him for tonight. The whole team basically mailed in the 3rd as they knew the season was over; I can't say I blame them to be very honest. If you want to slam Pavelec just use his own numbers against him over the past 4 seasons.

 

[1430MaroonsRoad]

Things I'm looking forward to:

1. My Wait List renewal and seeing how many spots I've moved up
2. Free agency

And that's about it. Too bad there isn't any more Jets hockey to look forward to this spring.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Canes don't move Jossi to to Winnipeg - they were still in hunt for SE title
also not giving up a ~ Redmond and a 2nd for a rental like Roy who'll be asking too much in weak UFA market

I guess Comeau might have helped

Canes waived Jussi Jokinen. As I said, we could have had him 3 days before trade deadline for nothing.

 

[meedle]

Canes don't move Jossi to to Winnipeg - they were still in hunt for SE title

also not giving up a ~ Redmond and a 2nd for a rental like Roy who'll be asking too much in weak UFA market

I guess Comeau might have helped

At one point Jossi was put on waivers and could have had for nothing about a week or 2 before the deadline.

 

[ICdave]

Post-game audio

Jets: Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler, Ron Hainsey, Ondrej Pavelec and Evander Kane.

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Coach Noel broke down the game.

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Guest Host Michael Remis and Analyst Richard Pollock break down the Jets play against the Canadiens.

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Habs: Coach, PK Subban, Brian Gionta and Carey Price.

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[Hank Chinaski]

I listed off a bunch at the deadline. Could have got improved the top 6 without giving up much of anything: Jussi Jokinen for free, Derek Roy (2nd), Blake Comeau (5th). Could have made a bigger splash, going after Cammalleri or Statsny....might have cost too much. Alternatively, he could have traded Hainsey or Antro at the deadline and maintained the build through the draft strategy. He did zip, and it looks like that was the worst thing he could've done.

As for trades, I would be interested to see what Enstrom would fetch on the market, given that our winning percentage is .670 without him in the lineup and .476 with. Not saying he's the cause - just that he's a great asset that we can get by without - especially when we have gaping holes up front. Im in the minority but I would be in favour for an Enstrom for Wayne Simmonds type of deal.

Fair points for sure.

I'm pretty meh on both Comeau and Jussi, though in theory they could've been upgrades on the 3rd line. Roy would've been nice. Rumour was that Chevy pushed hard for Pominville, but he wouldn't waive his NMC to come here. Antropov would've been impossible to move given he was injured at the time. I'm on record saying that I wasn't a big fan of the Hainsey "rental". Then again, given our injury woes it could've been pretty ugly without him.

I do get the sense that one "culture change" deal could be coming on draft day, and it wouldn't shock me if Enstrom was that guy. My money would be on Burmistrov. I know Buff is the guy most have wanted shipped out for something of value, I'm not overly fond of that idea.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

I always look forward to the draft. Can't wait to find out who the newest Jets will be.

 

[Duke749]

ya I'm as big a critic of pavelec you're going to find and even I wont blame him for tonight. The whole team basically mailed in the 3rd as they knew the season was over; I can't say I blame them to be very honest. If you want to slam Pavelec just use his own numbers against him over the past 4 seasons.

Well realistically you can really only put 2 goals at most on him tonight. Team just wasn't into it that period.

Really? Last four seasons? He was basically a rookie three years ago. His 2nd year was his 1st as a full time starter. I mean sure, he deserves criticism this year for not taking a step forward, but to criticize him as 22 and 23 year old is unfair. Should we criticize Scheif and Trouba if they don't contribute enough next year?

 

[Tarks]

Canes waived Jussi Jokinen. As I said, we could have had him 3 days before trade deadline for nothing.

I was surprised no one picked him up.

 

[Lynk]

For goodness sakes. The team knew it was over in the 3rd, the whole team played like crap in that period. I see nobody crapping on Hainsey for his bonehead play in the 2nd Canadiens goal, and that mattered.

Actually if you look in the GDT you'll see everybody blaming Hainsey for that goal.

 

[White Out 403*]

Well realistically you can really only put 2 goals at most on him tonight. Team just wasn't into it that period.

Really? Last four seasons? He was basically a rookie three years ago. His 2nd year was his 1st as a full time starter. I mean sure, he deserves criticism this year for not taking a step forward, but to criticize him as 22 and 23 year old is unfair. Should we criticize Scheif and Trouba if they don't contribute enough next year?

I was defending Pavelec and you still want to jump on me. Good god. As far as your point about criticizing him when he was 22.. my point isn't that he wasn't good enough 4 years ago. My point is that he's never been good and isn't getting better. He will be 26 next season and has yet to raise his game past "good backup" level stuff. Oy vey,