Post-Game Talk: Curses Penguined Again

[bustamente]

That hit on Ehlers reminded me of the hit by Trouba on Mathews except from the front, fear there might be some damage there

 

[DuckyChuck]

The team is in a big time slump, but the symptoms have been there all year imo. We have not played as well as our record but have got by but it has been catching up with us the last month or so. This team quite frankly hasn't looked dangerous in a while.

Maurice needs to stop sitting behind the bench twiddling his thumbs. This is what happens when your stubborn and don't address problems early on. He has turned a blind eye to indifferent play by the top line, let the Little-Laine-Conner line hemorrhage for over a month and has refused to shift his philosophy with regards to needing a bottom 6 full of checkers and grinders. This team is going nowhere until he can get rid of his old archaic thoughts on needing a skilled top 6 and a gritty role playing bottom 6. He is stuck in the past as none of the top contenders configure their lineups as he does. This isn't 5-10 years ago. He also needs to trust the damn skilled players he is leaving marooned in the press box. This team can't score but yes lets leave players with obvious skill Niku and Petan in the PB. The power play has gone cold, Petan and Niku certainly couldn't help there..... This coach at times completely lacks imagination or the conviction to shift things up or try something different. He needs to cater to his vets even when they are under performing because well they have earned it...... He needs to start actually coaching this team now and making some darn hard decisions and not revert back to the comfort of his safety zone of playing his checkers and overplaying Scheifele and Wheeler. Its time to take some risks and inject some skill into the lineup and let it find its way and create 3 scoring lines. We aren't doing much with the status quo, time to try it..

I am not even going to talk about the players tonight as no one outside of Helle and Morrisey and Trouba did their jobs..

Yeah, I mean, unless they change things up, they'll be a perennial bottom feeder of the league for years to come.

Oh wait, they went to the WCF last year and are sitting first in the central, 2nd in the west with games in hand. The sky is not falling, very rarely do teams go start to finish playing their best hockey every game. Standings-wise, this is the best or 2nd best start of their history. Slumps happen, it's not the end of the season. This team isn't doomed due to some lackadaisical play over the past couple of weeks.

Don't fall into an extreme-recency bias, a few bad games does not make a team nor a season. Playing through adversity build's character, adjusting your lines at every misstep signals to the players lack of trust and/or confidence in their play. Let's not forget that allowing the young players to play through the tough times has spurred thier development to make the Jet's one of the best and youngest (2nd youngest) teams in the league.

You need to chill and relax. We can all see that they're not playing up to their potential, but when your in the top 5 in the league, a few poor games does not warrant blowing up the things that got you there.

 

[JetsFan815]

I want to see Scheifele-Wheeler separated just for the principle of it. I don't care if they trade for Chris Thorburn and put him on Scheifele's wing. How he's handling Scheifele and Wheeler is not normal, even if you think them playing together is your best shot at winning on a nightly basis, you would still separate them in games like this to get other players going.

I don't care if we lose a game because those two weren't playing together, I will take that Pyrrhic victory at this point to see them separated even if just for a game.

 

[razorsedge]

Pens are a good team, but I expected the jets to put up more of a fight. I stopped watching after the 3rd goal and went played "mouse trap".

 

[surixon]

Yeah, I mean, unless they change things up, they'll be a perennial bottom feeder of the league for years to come.

Oh wait, they went to the WCF last year and are sitting first in the central, 2nd in the west with games in hand. The sky is not falling, very rarely do teams go start to finish playing their best hockey every game. Standings-wise, this is the best or 2nd best start of their history. Slumps happen, it's not the end of the season. This team isn't doomed due to some lackadaisical play over the past couple of weeks.

Don't fall into an extreme-recency bias, a few bad games does not make a team nor a season. Playing through adversity build's character, adjusting your lines at every misstep signals to the players lack of trust and/or confidence in their play. Let's not forget that allowing the young players to play through the tough times has spurred thier development to make the Jet's one of the best and youngest (2nd youngest) teams in the league.

You need to chill and relax. We can all see that they're not playing up to their potential, but when your in the top 5 in the league, a few poor games does not warrant blowing up the things that got you there.

Its not a few poor games, it is most of the year of playing below their capabilities.

They have regressed from a top 3 team in 5 on 5 scoring to a bottom half team in 5 on 5 scoring. They have been propped up by a red hot PP for much of the first half but it isn't much of a surprise that the goals have dried up once the PP has gone cold.

 

[Psych0dad]

The team is in a big time slump, but the symptoms have been there all year imo. We have not played as well as our record but have got by but it has been catching up with us the last month or so. This team quite frankly hasn't looked dangerous in a while.

Maurice needs to stop sitting behind the bench twiddling his thumbs. This is what happens when your stubborn and don't address problems early on. He has turned a blind eye to indifferent play by the top line, let the Little-Laine-Conner line hemorrhage for over a month and has refused to shift his philosophy with regards to needing a bottom 6 full of checkers and grinders. This team is going nowhere until he can get rid of his old archaic thoughts on needing a skilled top 6 and a gritty role playing bottom 6. He is stuck in the past as none of the top contenders configure their lineups as he does. This isn't 5-10 years ago. He also needs to trust the damn skilled players he is leaving marooned in the press box. This team can't score but yes lets leave players with obvious skill Niku and Petan in the PB. The power play has gone cold, Petan and Niku certainly couldn't help there..... This coach at times completely lacks imagination or the conviction to shift things up or try something different. He needs to cater to his vets even when they are under performing because well they have earned it...... He needs to start actually coaching this team now and making some darn hard decisions and not revert back to the comfort of his safety zone of playing his checkers and overplaying Scheifele and Wheeler. Its time to take some risks and inject some skill into the lineup and let it find its way and create 3 scoring lines. We aren't doing much with the status quo, time to try it..

I am not even going to talk about the players tonight as no one outside of Helle and Morrisey and Trouba did their jobs..

You summed it up perfectly.

This team needs the coach to wake up or step aside.

 

[Larabee]

Warning: the following post may contain hot takes. Discretion is advised for sensitive readers.

This is EXACTLY what I have been thinking for some time. Hockey's getting serious now, and all these points we've racked up during play time will certainly get us into the playoffs, but this is a dead team skating. First round exit, hope they like golf.

Around the time that hockey historians are looking back at our one year window, there will be a consensus that moving up in the lottery to get Laine was the single biggest factor leading to the demise of the franchise as a serious contender. The decision by Chevy to sign him long term to big dollars will be seen as the main justification for his firing and why he never again achieved an NHL GM position. Laine's future is so dim, I gotta wear night goggles. For God's sake Chevy, trade this twerp to the Oilers while they still have a GM stupid enough to give their past, present and future to acquire him.

And I have to point out... the Bruins, an organization that is consistently competitive and has won actual Stanley Cups, dumped Wheeler on a team that never made a good deal during their existence and passed on picking Connor. Maybe they saw something. Maybe Hockey USA saw something. Maybe now we're seeing something.

I'll now return you to your regular non-reactionary posts.

I can’t see Chevy signing Laine to big dollars long term given his play this year. If Laine’s agent starts demanding big dollars, then Chevy has a career defining decision to make. Trading him at 20 years old could be disastrous. But he’d certainly fetch a kings randsom that could put the Jets over the top. Glad I’m not a GM.

 

[ffh]

I want to see Scheifele-Wheeler separated just for the principle of it. I don't care if they trade for Chris Thorburn and put him on Scheifele's wing. How he's handling Scheifele and Wheeler is not normal, even if you think them playing together is your best shot at winning on a nightly basis, you would still separate them in games like this to get other players going.

I don't care if we lose a game because those two weren't playing together, I will take that Pyrrhic victory at this point to see them separated even if just for a game.

I agree with you about scheifele and wheeler. as a constant defender of Maurice I just don't get it. but I still laugh at all the why does Maurice always have the blender out and why cant he stick with his lines for more then a game after each game a couple of years ago.

 

[DuckyChuck]

Its not a few poor games, it is most of the year of playing below their capabilities.

They have regressed from a top 3 team in 5 on 5 scoring to a bottom half team in 5 on 5 scoring. They have been propped up by a red hot PP for much of the first half but it isn't much of a surprise that the goals have dried up once the PP has gone cold.

If most of the year they are playing below their capabilities AND their 4th in the league. what are you so upset about?

Is scoring 5v5 some incredibly indicative stat of Stanley cup success? Looking at the past 3 seasons (cause I'm a little lazy and have had a few beers) Both Washington and Pittsburgh were middle of the pack at 5v5 scoring when they won the cups. Maybe you should be happy they are midding at that stat?

 

[bustamente]

I can’t see Chevy signing Laine to big dollars long term given his play this year. If Laine’s agent starts demanding big dollars, then Chevy has a career defining decision to make. Trading him at 20 years old could be disastrous. But he’d certainly fetch a kings randsom that could put the Jets over the top. Glad I’m not a GM.

It's going to be interesting to see how many of these young RFA's are going to be asking for big money/term and either getting it or holding out.

 

[BigZ65]

I can’t see Chevy signing Laine to big dollars long term given his play this year. If Laine’s agent starts demanding big dollars, then Chevy has a career defining decision to make. Trading him at 20 years old could be disastrous. But he’d certainly fetch a kings randsom that could put the Jets over the top. Glad I’m not a GM.

Could be an easier decision if the Jets have success in the UFA market. Say you snag Mark Stone and can also add the haul from trading one of the RFA's and maybe Trouba if he doesn't sign. That might be a better team.

 

[PhilJets]

The only people that mentioning Laine is getting 9M upwards are the fans (us)..



Every 10 game block it changes for basically all our rfa by the fans and posters. We cant nego like that ....


Jets are not getting a break.
And coach pulling the goalie at 4-5minutes left, behind 3 goals is questionable.
Specially with that Pitrsburgh firepower.

If the Team have given up.
Then just keep playing the 4th line and 3rd line.

 

[talitintti]

Trading Laine would be the worst blow to the Cup chances of Winnipeg and other teams in the league too. If Laine goes somewhere where he is properly utilized, that almost guarantees a Stanley Cup for the team every year in his prime.

 

[Board Bard]

Is Laine gonna score 5 goals and disappear afterwards again?

Do you mean in January or for the rest of the season?

 

[Larabee]

Could be an easier decision if the Jets have success in the UFA market. Say you snag Mark Stone and can also add the haul from trading one of the RFA's and maybe Trouba if he doesn't sign. That might be a better team.

The grit and intensity of Mark Stone is just what the Jets need. He’d be an instant favorite in his hometown.

 

[surixon]

If most of the year they are playing below their capabilities AND their 4th in the league. what are you so upset about?

Is scoring 5v5 some incredibly indicative stat of Stanley cup success? Looking at the past 3 seasons (cause I'm a little lazy and have had a few beers) Both Washington and Pittsburgh were middle of the pack at 5v5 scoring when they won the cups. Maybe you should be happy they are midding at that stat?

Its great that we are fourth but wins aren't always indicative of how well a team is playing. A coach needs to look beyond the win total and see if a team is performing optimally.

The team is:

13th in corsi close
19th in 5 on 5 goals
18th in expected goals at ES

The underlying numbers of the team this year do not support our win totals nor do they support the notion that we are a contender.

 

[DuckyChuck]

If most of the year they are playing below their capabilities AND their 4th in the league. what are you so upset about?

Is scoring 5v5 some incredibly indicative stat of Stanley cup success? Looking at the past 3 seasons (cause I'm a little lazy and have had a few beers) Both Washington and Pittsburgh were middle of the pack at 5v5 scoring when they won the cups. Maybe you should be happy they are midding at that stat?

EDIT: Whoops, the stats page I was using was not updating as I changed years. My bad.

 

[Robinson2187]

Sort of glad I went out drinking instead of watching the game.

Looks like Hellebuyck was league average tonight.

Whatever he was, he was also their best player.

 

[BigZ65]

Trading Laine would be the worst blow to the Cup chances of Winnipeg and other teams in the league too. If Laine goes somewhere where he is properly utilized, that almost guarantees a Stanley Cup for the team every year in his prime.

What's the proper utilization? Find 4 players so strong he doesn't have to skate past his offensive blueline all night?

Aside from his shot he's one of the worst forwards in the league. It doesn't matter who he plays with. The only thing he does at an NHL level is shoot the puck.

 

[Mud Turtle]

The grit and intensity of Mark Stone is just what the Jets need. He’d be an instant favorite in his hometown.

If only there was a way to insert the motor and drive of Tanev into every other Jet player.
Imagine Laine with Tanev’s motor.

 

[talitintti]

What's the proper utilization? Find 4 players so strong he doesn't have to skate past his offensive blueline all night?

Aside from his shot he's one of the worst forwards in the league. It doesn't matter who he plays with. The only thing he does at an NHL level is shoot the puck.

Just play him with Scheif, and he pushes 80 goals and +100 in a season.

 

[Larabee]

If only there was a way to insert the motor and drive of Tanev into every other Jet player.
Imagine Laine with Tanev’s motor.

That would be another Ovechkin

 

[LowLefty]

Frankly it is surprising the Jets are where they are in the standings. Everyone keeps saying how good they are but why can't they beat a good team? I get the season has a long way to go - and the Jets are a top team in the standings - but there are a lot of ills with the team. You can't hope for Laine to go on a scoring streak or Helle to play like Vezina calibre goalie during the playoffs as a recipe for success.

I don't see this team getting past Nashville, Calgary, Vegas in a series. Maybe not San Jose either.

Something has to happen to get more consistency and better production /play from the team stars.

I didn't think tonight's game would bring out the takes we're seeing here -
This is a good team they played tonight that didn't look any better than the Jets.

If we had their puck luck and beat them 4-0 the way they beat us 4-0, most of these posts wouldn't happen.

But, so I can stay in sync with the tonight's theme, we do need to get our scoring back.
The good news is we have players that can score - just need to tweek
I'd suggest moving Laine down to the 4th line for a spell - just so we can eliminate him as being the guy that makes everyone else suck.
I think he's the problem but prove me wrong - but I'd bet my house that Connor / Little / XXX would outperform the current arrangement.
Couldn't possibly be worse.

Time for a couple of tweeks Mo - start with line #2

 

[Derfel]

Any clips of Ehler's injury?

 

[Board Bard]

Any clips of Ehler's injury?

It'll be on TSN Sports Centre all night.