Post-Game Talk: Curses Penguined Again

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Because 2/3 of our back end can’t move the puck. It’s such an obvious hole. Idk why we went into the season with Chiarot as a regular when in todays game you have to be able to move the puck.

Oddly enough during the Jets skills competition the best saucer passes were being laid out by Chiarot.

I think he has more skill than is often attributed to him, albeit not enough to continue playing a second pairing role.

I see Benny having a long career in Winnipeg on the third pairing, providing we can keep him under contract at its' present state.

As for a mobile defence, the future relies on the development of Niku & Samberg, the result of spending every year drafting forward prospects. Like it or not at some point a trade has to be made. The teams future without Trouba currently equals nothing other than Morrissey.

One of Ehlers, Laine or Connor has to be deemed expendable in a trade if the Jets are to have even an average defence past 2020.

 

[ffh]

Because 2/3 of our back end can’t move the puck. It’s such an obvious hole. Idk why we went into the season with Chiarot as a regular when in todays game you have to be able to move the puck.

sure all the 5 and 6 dmen in the league move the puck so much better then him. he isn't bad and the team is going to re-sign him. that day will be fun around here.

 

[Duke749]

Oddly enough during the Jets skills competition the best saucer passes were being laid out by Chiarot.

I think he has more skill than is often attributed to him, albeit not enough to continue playing a second pairing role.

I see Benny having a long career in Winnipeg on the third pairing, providing we can keep him under contract at its' present state.

As for a mobile defence, the future relies on the development of Niku & Samberg, the result of spending every year drafting forward prospects. Like it or not at some point a trade has to be made. The teams future without Trouba currently equals nothing other than Morrissey.

One of Ehlers, Laine or Connor has to be deemed expendable in a trade if the Jets are to have even an average defence past 2020.

Problem is Chiarot neither physically quick enough or mentally quick enough.

 

[Daximus]

Oddly enough during the Jets skills competition the best saucer passes were being laid out by Chiarot.

I think he has more skill than is often attributed to him, albeit not enough to continue playing a second pairing role.

I see Benny having a long career in Winnipeg on the third pairing, providing we can keep him under contract at its' present state.

As for a mobile defence, the future relies on the development of Niku & Samberg, the result of spending every year drafting forward prospects. Like it or not at some point a trade has to be made. The teams future without Trouba currently equals nothing other than Morrissey.

One of Ehlers, Laine or Connor has to be deemed expendable in a trade if the Jets are to have even an average defence past 2020.

Chiarot seems to be a really solid player when he has the time and space to move and make decisions. When the game tightens up and he has to make quicker decisions that is when he is less effective.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Problem is Chiarot neither physically quick enough or mentally quick enough.

Agree Chiarot is the furthest thing from a mobile defensemen, but I believe he at least thinks the game at an average level and is fully capable of play above replace level on the third pairing for at least three seasons beyond this one.

He is what he is and is and is better now that Stuart ever was in a Jets uniform. Even moving past three seasons, I doubt he regresses to be any worse than Stuart was from from 2013-2016.

Chiarot seems to be a really solid player when he has the time and space to move and make decisions. When the game tightens up and he has to make quicker decisions that is when he is less effective.

Hopefully all the extra time he's been playing lately will benefit in this regard.

 

[JetsFan815]

I have to paticipiate to this conversation.

I don't understand, that almost everything bad, what happends in the game is Laines fault? PP doesn't work -> he can not shoot the puck or keep the zone. 2nd line doesn't work -> he so lazy he doesn't do anything there.

Have you even watch the games?

He is not getting undue blame of everything. There are a few reasons why he is getting more criticism this year:

1. He is legitimately having a very bad season... several orders of magnitude worse than his first two seasons. As I posted in an earlier post which put his season in a historical context for Jets 2.0 (Post-Game Talk: - Curses Penguined Again).

2. People are assessing him as a $9-10million player rather than a rookie.

This is not the case of Jim Lites unfairly ragging on his star players for a lack of team success of all the ragging on Ovechkin a few years ago. There are legitimate issues here to be concerned about.

 

[Duke749]

Agree Chiarot is the furthest thing from a mobile defensemen, but I believe he at least thinks the game at an average level and is fully capable of play above replace level on the third pairing for at least three seasons beyond this one.

He is what he is and is and is better now that Stuart ever was in a Jets uniform. Even moving past three seasons, I doubt he regresses to be any worse than Stuart was from from 2013-2016.



Hopefully all the extra time he's been playing lately will benefit in this regard.

I won’t argue that. I’d pretty much agree.

 

[Dark Ambient]

I apologize in advance for "table-hopping" (Hurricanes fan here), but I am Finnish, so maybe I can be forgiven for having a general interest in Finnish players in the NHL.

As much as I like seeing Finnish players thrive in the NHL, and as much as I cheer like a little child when Laine scores, I have to say - if you take away his shot, at the end of the day, he's not a very good overall hockey-player. In fact, apart from his amazing ability to shoot the puck - he is barely NHL level.
He is slow, even for a tall guy. He has the physique to be a hard-hitting, bone-breaking power-forward, yet he doesn't utilize that at all. When it comes to "puck-battles" he just flat-out sucks. The saying "taking candy from a baby" comes to mind.

Now, I sincerely hope he turns out to be a "late bloomer" (I know that sounds kind of ironic, considering he's 20 years old and already has 104 goals in the NHL), but from what I've seen, I fear he might turn out to be an "early bloomer".
I hope I'm wrong.
Sorry for this. I mean no disrespect to the Jets.

 

[KingBogo]

I apologize in advance for "table-hopping" (Hurricanes fan here), but I am Finnish, so maybe I can be forgiven for having a general interest in Finnish players in the NHL.

As much as I like seeing Finnish players thrive in the NHL, and as much as I cheer like a little child when Laine scores, I have to say - if you take away his shot, at the end of the day, he's not a very good overall hockey-player. In fact, apart from his amazing ability to shoot the puck - he is barely NHL level.
He is slow, even for a tall guy. He has the physique to be a hard-hitting, bone-breaking power-forward, yet he doesn't utilize that at all. When it comes to "puck-battles" he just flat-out sucks. The saying "taking candy from a baby" comes to mind.

Now, I sincerely hope he turns out to be a "late bloomer" (I know that sounds kind of ironic, considering he's 20 years old and already has 104 goals in the NHL), but from what I've seen, I fear he might turn out to be an "early bloomer".
I hope I'm wrong.
Sorry for this. I mean no disrespect to the Jets.

I think you have echoed many Jets fans concerns.

 

[Ducky10]

Because 2/3 of our back end can’t move the puck. It’s such an obvious hole. Idk why we went into the season with Chiarot as a regular when in todays game you have to be able to move the puck.

……..yep.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I agree, but he really hasn't tried anything other then swapping Ehelers and Conner. There are other things he ought to try but hasn't.

Edit:

I also wonder if there might be a bit of an information overload or something. He integrated them largely by allowing them to play their own games and make mistakes. At times it looks like players like Laine and Conner seem very unsure on what to do on the ice. Perhaps there has been too much instruction given to them.

It’s funny. I thought the same thing with Scheif a couple of years ago. Then it was like someone removed the reins from him.

Time now to release laine and KC. They know what to do.

 

[KingBogo]

It’s funny. I thought the same thing with Scheif a couple of years ago. Then it was like someone removed the reins from him.

Time now to release laine and KC. They know what to do.

They need to release their own reins. Very good hockey players need to learn to be defensively responsible and still able to quickly transition to offense.

 

[surixon]

It’s funny. I thought the same thing with Scheif a couple of years ago. Then it was like someone removed the reins from him.

Time now to release laine and KC. They know what to do.

Agreed, it might just be an age and experience thing. It looks like Ehlers now plays his game no matter who he is with and doesn't seem to second guess himself so maybe we just need a bit of patience with them.

 

[Evil Little]

That was definitely in the net.

It's about whether you see it in the net, not whether you think it's in the net.

That's how the rule is written, thus, that's how the rule should be enforced.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Maybe Laine has figured out a long time ago that he has no chemistry with Little and that in his head he feels that every shift is kind of a waste anyways, so his effort is less because he feels defeated?

That’s not what’s happening.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Good post. Matches the eye test that he sucks the life out of almost every shift when not on PP.

He didn’t in his first year here. He never did before that either.

What are they coaching him?

 

[Howard Chuck]

have to wonder about the coaching laine is getting

Just posted the same thing. Laying back always cover for defense.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Who needs to be taken out for Perreault to get a ****ing shot at top 6 minutes...

Maurice.

 

[Howard Chuck]

They need to release their own reins. Very good hockey players need to learn to be defensively responsible and still able to quickly transition to offense.

Of course they do. But not if they are being told to stay back. I think laine would have been benched long ago if he was playing defense on his own accord and not because he’s being told to.

 

[KingBogo]

Of course they do. But not if they are being told to stay back. I think laine would have been benched long ago if he was playing defense on his own accord and not because he’s being told to.

To be a NHL player you have to learn how to play defense against NHL players. No one is told to stay back. They are given assignments that they need to stay on top off. When they have offensive opportunity they are given the green light, but with the expectation they can respond defensively as per their assignments. Sometimes this hand strings young players, but the good ones learn to play at both ends and transition between the two.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Why hasn't any local media asked Laine what's wrong with his game in a public interview.
That has worked like a charm to get him going in the past.
Have him call himself out on tv / radio and then boom hot streak.

DO YOUR F@#%ING JOB MEDIA!!!

 

[Howard Chuck]

To be a NHL player you have to learn how to play defense against NHL players. No one is told to stay back. They are given assignments that they need to stay on top off. When they have offensive opportunity they are given the green light, but with the expectation they can respond defensively as per their assignments. Sometimes this hand strings young players, but the good ones learn to play at both ends and transition between the two.

This is a good explanation.

 

[PhilJets]

2 pages reading
I thought Laine thread was re opened.




Anyways i believe this is all on mental with Laine. At 20 years old and the weight of the world to score always.

Saying he is not good on many things except shoot is not true at all.

 

[Duke749]

Agreed, it might just be an age and experience thing. It looks like Ehlers now plays his game no matter who he is with and doesn't seem to second guess himself so maybe we just need a bit of patience with them.

Not many teenagers come in and dominate at that age. MacKinnon is a guy that comes to mind that came in looking great and then hit a wall before finally blowing up last year. I think Laine learning with a vet like Little has potential to really pay off.

 

[GNP]

Why hasn't any local media asked Laine what's wrong with his game in a public interview.
That has worked like a charm to get him going in the past.
Have him call himself out on tv / radio and then boom hot streak.

DO YOUR F@#%ING JOB MEDIA!!!

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Yes--I agree with this, have Craig Button call Laine out on TV for his slow, soft play --just like he called out Maurice for allowing the Jet's to take way to many stupid penalties, and then all of a sudden, our penalties went way down. The media can "make" guys be held accountable. Some are just to scared to step up to the stars.